Redskins' Kirk Cousins: Still far apart on extension terms

[Breed]

So what the heck is Plan B?

Another year of Kirk displaying his wares for any and all teams interested in his services seems to be the trekking course of Plan B thus far. It's a pretty significant stat, TD passes, and the feel good I had over the Skins beating a winning team in a game where Kirk Cousins was the Skins starting QB. Was subsided considerably by the 2-4 finish. I'll readily admit I'm putting a lotta stock in those last 6 weeks, maybe too much, but to be where the Skins were at after 10 games with a 6-3-1 record and totally in control of their own postseason aspirations. That was the time for Kirk to pick it up imo and hammer home that he deserves a big money deal. Instead the Skins hobbled to the finish line in very disappointing fashion.

 

[skinsdad62]

Another year of Kirk displaying his wares for any and all teams interested in his services seems to be the trekking course of Plan B thus far. It's a pretty significant stat, TD passes, and the feel good I had over the Skins beating a winning team in a game where Kirk Cousins was the Skins starting QB. Was subsided considerably by the 2-4 finish. I'll readily admit I'm putting a lotta stock in those last 6 weeks, maybe too much, but to be where the Skins were at after 10 games with a 6-3-1 record and totally in control of their own postseason aspirations. That was the time for Kirk to pick it up imo and hammer home that he deserves a big money deal. Instead the Skins hobbled to the finish line in very disappointing fashion.

the team hobbled home

 

[ehb5]

Red zone efficiency changes frequently on every team. It isn't a reliable statistic because of the variation.

Thank you. Theres too much worrying about the red zone on here. We'll be fine. We dont need bigger receivers or better RBs or anything to be good in the red zone.

 

[Sleepy T]

Think of it this way - Why should he accept a pay cut from what he's guaranteed this year? If you're a responsible agent, you tell the Skins, that's the starting point for negotiations. That's Negotiating 101, imo.

Because there is risk involved. As some have said, if he has a shit year and "comes way back down to earth" or worse yet he had a significant injury (tore up knee or throwing shoulder, broken leg, etc.) then QB needy teams who suck might opt to roll the dice in a stellar QB class filled draft then pay big $$ to take a shot on a mediocre armed system QB who has shown flashes but been inconsistent and doesn't have a long term track record of being "great".

I'm not saying he should take 18-19 mill, but an APY of what he is being tagged out would be more than fair. Really a little less would be. It he's not gonna take it.

 

[Sharkinva]

Because there is risk involved. As some have said, if he has a shit year and "comes way back down to earth" or worse yet he had a significant injury (tore up knee or throwing shoulder, broken leg, etc.) then QB needy teams who suck might opt to roll the dice in a stellar QB class filled draft then pay big $$ to take a shot on a mediocre armed system QB who has shown flashes but been inconsistent and doesn't have a long term track record of being "great".

I'm not saying he should take 18-19 mill, but an APY of what he is being tagged out would be more than fair. Really a little less would be. It he's not gonna take it.

So wait a minute. He should take a lower salary because it would protect the team, but the whole point in asking for the salary he is asking for is to protect the player from the whimsical nature of how teams treat players to begin with.

Sounds logical to me.

 

[Stymietee]

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So what the heck is Plan B?

 

[Sharkinva]

So what the heck is Plan B?

ABC

Anything But Cousins

 

[Breed]

Breed, I had absolutely no problem with your analysis of the situation. IN fact I agree with most of it. Up until the hesitation over signing KC to a big contract. One stat goes down from one year to the next, one in which you even analyze as a possible result of many factors outside of KC's control, and that alone is enough to let him walk? Even though the rest of his play (record setting) either stayed the same or improved? So what the heck is Plan B?

Playing a second year under the franchise tag or so it would seem. If Kirk has a year close to what he had last year. He's gonna get paid. Perhaps not by the Redskins though. If he has the kinda year I hope he has. The Redskins should be the first team waiting in line and have the best chances to sign him.

That one stat, TD passes, can loom large as I look at it as a pay-off type stat that other stats, passing yards, ypa, comp%, build towards.

The things I'd like to see transpire this year with Kirk are..........

Get off strong, get off early. I'd like to see Kirk come out sharp and fluid starting game one. The last two years the Skins have started out 1-2 and Cuz has only looked sharp the entire game in just one of those six games. St Lou in 2015. He was good at points in the win against the Giants last year, but going 0-4 in the red zone may've made a 29-27 victory closer than it needed to be.

Build upon his W/L record against winning teams. Putting a number on this would be pointless at this time. Gotta see how things actually play out in said games.

I said Kirk needed to go 32 TDs/10 INTs next year, but I'll pull that back a bit by saying I'd like to see a career high in TD passes and close to a 3/1 ratio far as TDs/INTs.

Just generally put it all together this season. If he does that. Instead of talking about him becoming the highest paid player contractually in the history of the NFL this year. We'll be talking about him becoming the highest paid player contractually in the history of the NFL next year. I'll be a part of the Pay Kirk band wagon then if he does that.

 

[deanpet21]

Playing a second year under the franchise tag or so it would seem. If Kirk has a year close to what he had last year. He's gonna get paid. Perhaps not by the Redskins though. If he has the kinda year I hope he has. The Redskins should be the first team waiting in line and have the best chances to sign him.

That one stat, TD passes, can loom large as I look at it as a pay-off type stat that other stats, passing yards, ypa, comp%, build towards.

The things I'd like to see transpire this year with Kirk are..........

Get off strong, get off early. I'd like to see Kirk come out sharp and fluid starting game one. The last two years the Skins have started out 1-2 and Cuz has only looked sharp the entire game in just one of those six games. St Lou in 2015. He was good at points in the win against the Giants last year, but going 0-4 in the red zone may've made a 29-27 victory closer than it needed to be.

Build upon his W/L record against winning teams. Putting a number on this would be pointless at this time. Gotta see how things actually play out in said games.

I said Kirk needed to go 32 TDs/10 INTs next year, but I'll pull that back a bit by saying I'd like to see a career high in TD passes and close to a 3/1 ratio far as TDs/INTs.

Just generally put it all together this season. If he does that. Instead of talking about him becoming the highest paid player contractually in the history of the NFL this year. We'll be talking about him becoming the highest paid player contractually in the history of the NFL next year. I'll be a part of the Pay Kirk band wagon then if he does that.

I agree with that. The first two games are against Philly and the Rams. Very winnable games and KC should have some great numbers. If Kc gets outplayed by Wentz and Goff then questions are going to be mounting. The next two games are against the Raiders and KC. If he shows well in those two games then I think Synder and Co will be 100% on board.

A 0-4 or 1-3 start is just unacceptable in my mind. Anything better than 2-2 would be fantastic. Point being KC has a shot to put all doubters (not to say I am one) away in the first month of the season. If we somehow go 4-0 and Kc dominated then the whole NFL will be talking about us as potential division winner and a playoff team.

The worst case scenario is that if KC signs his LTD before the 7/15 deadline and becomes the highest paid Qb in the NFL, then when the season starts goes 0-4 and gets outplayed by second year QB's and Carr plus Smith. That would be a media shit storm. I pray this doesn't happen.

My prediction is that KC plays on the tag this year. I don't see a LTD getting done. Then the season will play out and we will be addressing this next year. Good or bad.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I agree with that. The first two games are against Philly and the Rams. Very winnable games and KC should have some great numbers. If Kc gets outplayed by Wentz and Goff then questions are going to be mounting. The next two games are against the Raiders and KC. If he shows well in those two games then I think Synder and Co will be 100% on board.

A 0-4 or 1-3 start is just unacceptable in my mind. Anything better than 2-2 would be fantastic. Point being KC has a shot to put all doubters (not to say I am one) away in the first month of the season. If we somehow go 4-0 and Kc dominated then the whole NFL will be talking about us as potential division winner and a playoff team.

The worst case scenario is that if KC signs his LTD before the 7/15 deadline and becomes the highest paid Qb in the NFL, then when the season starts goes 0-4 and gets outplayed by second year QB's and Carr plus Smith. That would be a media shit storm. I pray this doesn't happen.

My prediction is that KC plays on the tag this year. I don't see a LTD getting done. Then the season will play out and we will be addressing this next year. Good or bad.

So your main concern is negative reaction from the media? LOL - who gives a shit! A good deal of the media hates the Redskins anyhow (& many don't even acknowledge the name). F them. Also - if the media primarily targets Snyder & Allen in their criticism - good - they deserve it & I won't be losing any sleep over that.

Not signing the LTD & playing on the tag is likely not a good approach for the team. They still have time to come to their senses so I would not rule out a LTD at this pt.

 

[deanpet21]

So your main concern is negative reaction from the media? LOL - who gives a shit! A good deal of the media hates the Redskins anyhow (& many don't even acknowledge the name). F them. Also - if the media primarily targets Snyder & Allen in their criticism - good - they deserve it & I won't be losing any sleep over that.

Not signing the LTD & playing on the tag is likely not a good approach for the team. They still have time to come to their senses so I would not rule out a LTD at this pt.

I don't care about the media. I am just saying what would happen. Why isn't that a good approach for the team? What if my worst case sceinero happens? what do you do then?

 

[gkekoa]

I agree with that. The first two games are against Philly and the Rams. Very winnable games and KC should have some great numbers. If Kc gets outplayed by Wentz and Goff then questions are going to be mounting. The next two games are against the Raiders and KC. If he shows well in those two games then I think Synder and Co will be 100% on board.

A 0-4 or 1-3 start is just unacceptable in my mind. Anything better than 2-2 would be fantastic. Point being KC has a shot to put all doubters (not to say I am one) away in the first month of the season. If we somehow go 4-0 and Kc dominated then the whole NFL will be talking about us as potential division winner and a playoff team.

The worst case scenario is that if KC signs his LTD before the 7/15 deadline and becomes the highest paid Qb in the NFL, then when the season starts goes 0-4 and gets outplayed by second year QB's and Carr plus Smith. That would be a media shit storm. I pray this doesn't happen.

My prediction is that KC plays on the tag this year. I don't see a LTD getting done. Then the season will play out and we will be addressing this next year. Good or bad.

Worst case scenario is KC plays lights out this season, we get outbid next season and KC has a chip on his shoulder because of how he was treated here, we trade up in the draft for one of those four wonderful QBs losing an extra 1 and 2 in the process, and he ends up like 90% of the other QBs drafted in round 1...nothing special or just a flat bust.

 

[deanpet21]

Worst case scenario is KC plays lights out this season, we get outbid next season and KC has a chip on his shoulder because of how he was treated here, we trade up in the draft for one of those four wonderful QBs losing an extra 1 and 2 in the process, and he ends up like 90% of the other QBs drafted in round 1...nothing special or just a flat bust.

lol. If KC plays lights out this season, Danny wont let him leave. He will pay anything to let KC stay here. That is not the issue at all. The 2018 QB draft class is a factor if we are a 5 to 7 win team this year. Even if we don't get KC on a LTD this year we still have control over him next year. So why sign him now?

Its insurance if KC fails this year. We wont have to give up much in the draft b/c they could be 5 first round QB's in the draft in 2018. So if KC succeeds this year you sign him to a LTD. If he fails you look to the draft and save huge money. Its a win-win situation.

 

[skinsdad62]

considering only baugh (36) waterfield (45 ) ben and wilson have won championships as rookies the franchise most likely take a step backwards without the benefit of draft choices to help it along

i believe a LTD will get done and all of this will be in the rearview

KC has put up 2 great seasons in a row . he proved he is a starting qb in the NFL and now the goalposts get moved again becuase of the ABC crowd

he has another similar year to his last 2 and you all still wont be satisfied , new younger wrs be damned

the FO is banking on his failure so they can look "right " .

 

[Sharkinva]

I love how people are assuming that the only possible outcomes are

1. Kirk improves and the Skins sign him long term because they control his rights

2. Kirk fails and the Skins easily get one of these five elite QBs coming out in the draft.

What of options 3-7

Kirk Improves, which for all intents puts him in the elite realm. But decides he doesnt want to be here for what ever reason. The Skins tag him again and he plays out the 2018 season then hits FA at which point the Skins get outbid if he even gives them a shot.

Kirk stays about where he is, the team finishes 8-8 because the defense still needs another season to come together. The Skins then have to decide is Kirk good enough, or do they dip into the draft.

Kirk regresses, but the QB class that was supposed to have 10 elite QBs turns out to have 3 QBs worthy of a first round draft pick. It costs the Skins 3 firsts and a second to trade up to take a guy who has a 75% chance of failing as we start him because you cant really give up that much and have him ride the bench behind Colt McCoy.

 

[deanpet21]

considering only baugh (36) waterfield (45 ) ben and wilson have won championships as rookies the franchise most likely take a step backwards without the benefit of draft choices to help it along

i believe a LTD will get done and all of this will be in the rearview

KC has put up 2 great seasons in a row . he proved he is a starting qb in the NFL and now the goalposts get moved again becuase of the ABC crowd

he has another similar year to his last 2 and you all still wont be satisfied , new younger wrs be damned

the FO is banking on his failure so they can look "right " .

Not true at all. There is no reason to sign him long term now b/c he is already playing for us. If he fails us now, so what we move on. If he fails us on a LTD then that's a problem like I already said. So we have more options by not signing him now.

 

[deanpet21]

I love how people are assuming that the only possible outcomes are

1. Kirk improves and the Skins sign him long term because they control his rights

2. Kirk fails and the Skins easily get one of these five elite QBs coming out in the draft.

What of options 3-7

Kirk Improves, which for all intents puts him in the elite realm. But decides he doesnt want to be here for what ever reason. The Skins tag him again and he plays out the 2018 season then hits FA at which point the Skins get outbid if he even gives them a shot.

Kirk stays about where he is, the team finishes 8-8 because the defense still needs another season to come together. The Skins then have to decide is Kirk good enough, or do they dip into the draft.

Kirk regresses, but the QB class that was supposed to have 10 elite QBs turns out to have 3 QBs worthy of a first round draft pick. It costs the Skins 3 firsts and a second to trade up to take a guy who has a 75% chance of failing as we start him because you cant really give up that much and have him ride the bench behind Colt McCoy.

Bullshit. If option #3 happens he will sign back if we get a playoff win this year. #4 Depends on how we got to 8-8. #5 if KC regresses we will be a top 12 pick so it wont cost much to move up. Plus there should be 5 Qb prospects next year.

 

[Sharkinva]

considering only baugh (36) waterfield (45 ) ben and wilson have won championships as rookies the franchise most likely take a step backwards without the benefit of draft choices to help it along

i believe a LTD will get done and all of this will be in the rearview

KC has put up 2 great seasons in a row . he proved he is a starting qb in the NFL and now the goalposts get moved again becuase of the ABC crowd

he has another similar year to his last 2 and you all still wont be satisfied , new younger wrs be damned

the FO is banking on his failure so they can look "right " .

So is a portion of the fanbase apparently. I honestly dont think it matters how Kirk plays this year. He isnt the QB that the front office or some of the fans wanted to be in this situation with.

 

[Sharkinva]

Bullshit. If option #3 happens he will sign back if we get a playoff win this year. #4 Depends on how we got to 8-8. #5 if KC regresses we will be a top 12 pick so it wont cost much to move up. Plus there should be 5 Qb prospects next year.

Again, what if we DONT get a playoffs win??

ITs ok, keep moving the goal post.

If we have to trade up, you dont really think we are going to trade up for the 3rd rated QB in the draft do you?? And like I said, come draft time next year, people will be pointing out the warts that these elite prospects have. Hell its already started and they havent even played a game yet.

 

[Sleepy T]

So wait a minute. He should take a lower salary because it would protect the team, but the whole point in asking for the salary he is asking for is to protect the player from the whimsical nature of how teams treat players to begin with.

Sounds logical to me.

Aww Cmon man. Seriously? You guys want to ridicule me and some others because we don't think KC deserves to be paid as the best player in the league..

But....

you are gonna feel sorry for the guy because we aren't' offering to pay the guy as such. Poor fucking pitiful him. Boo Hoo. Gimme a break.

It's easy for us to sit here and say give this guy an extra few million per year, maybe we will throw this guy and this guy and hey..maybe this guy a little extra since he's performed pretty well, done his job and been a team player. Let's just give everyone a fuckingvrsise since they are starving to death...,