Will J. Gruden really give Griffin his best effort?

[Stymietee]

(For the record this is not that new thread Lonewate44.....it's coming)

This is a pivotal year for both RGIII and J. Gruden, while the former must produce the latter still has options. Is there little doubt that the HC soured on Griffin last season and had originally intended there to be an outward QB competition that is until someb-....oops he changed his mind during the winter. Now, begins the stealth competition powered by memories of a season ago and the mistrust that surely remains in its wake.

There are very very few who expect DC to field a team dramatically better than a 500 squad and surely there are going to be some trying times as this team builds and learns to recapture that winning formula. Gruden for his part must stand against himself and honestly evaluate the progress of his stated starter and resist restarting the merry-go-round of a year ago.

He won't though.....It doesn't appear to be part of his nature and there are too many extrinsic pressures that will compel him to not exercise patience. So let me ask.......How short is the leash between Griffin and Gruden? Will W/L's be THE factor most likely to compel Gruden to go to one of his backups? What should reasonable improvement look like for Griffin?

 

[j_y19]

I think the leash is pretty short, but not necessarily tied to wins and losses. I think it's more how Gruden views Robert's ability to grasp and execute the offense as he has designed it as well as if Griffin finally can master the basics of a pocket QB. This includes presnap reads, correct drops, and throwing to receivers before they make their cuts. Of course, it also depends on how well the other QBs can execute. Gruden needs to be a bit careful. If he yanks Griffin and cousins/McCoy play as bad, or worse, he will most likely be gone.

 

[skinsdad62]

sty , last season and last season only , Rg3 stunk up the joint and deserved to be benched

this is a new year and hence a new dynamic . we should see improved play from him

if we dont he needs to rude the pine

 

[gkekoa]

His best effort? That is a ridiculous question.

The better question is...does RG3 deserve it?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

sty , last season and last season only , Rg3 stunk up the joint and deserved to be benched

This is how I felt as well which is why I was defending him through half of last season. His play dropped off in 2013 for sure from a record setting 2012 but people acted as if he was in Heath Shuler territory and I thought that was unfair. But all that changed with the Tampa game and from then on he was a joke.

 

[Stymietee]

sty , last season and last season only , Rg3 stunk up the joint and deserved to be benched

this is a new year and hence a new dynamic . we should see improved play from him

if we dont he needs to rude the pine

His best effort? That is a ridiculous question.

The better question is...does RG3 deserve it?

The only thing ridiculous about it is that you unknowingly answered and supported it when you asked if Griffin deserved it. If he believes that Griffin doesn't deserve it as you appear to, that alone might be the very reason why Gruden doesn't give his best effort.

 

[skinsdad62]

the question isnt will gruden give his best effort it is whether Rg3 will give his . as far as i am concerned gruden was right last season in benching Rg3 , he wasnt playing well at qb . gruden doesnt win if RG3 fails . he would much rather have him succeed and will give him every chance to succeed but he has to function as a pro qb and last season he certainly did not

why is it an athlete cant be held accountable for his failings ? why do people insist on making excuses and coddle these guys ? Rg3's performance is almost all on his lack of film study , poor fundamentals , and lack of knowledge of the playbook . those are things he can personally control yet failed to do so

now from the early reports at OTA'S it seems he is much improved and mistakes are happening less often . This is a good sign

if Rg3 fails it will be because of the above flaws i have mentioned . he has the TOP qb coach in the NFL , he has some good weapons around him and a new O/line coach who is the best in the business ion getting superior performance out of the o/line

somehow i think Rg3 has gotten the message . preseason game one will give us a much better read on things

 

[Stymietee]

the question isnt will gruden give his best effort it is whether Rg3 will give his . as far as i am concerned gruden was right last season in benching Rg3 , he wasnt playing well at qb . gruden doesnt win if RG3 fails . he would much rather have him succeed and will give him every chance to succeed but he has to function as a pro qb and last season he certainly did not

why is it an athlete cant be held accountable for his failings ? why do people insist on making excuses and coddle these guys ? Rg3's performance is almost all on his lack of film study , poor fundamentals , and lack of knowledge of the playbook . those are things he can personally control yet failed to do so

now from the early reports at OTA'S it seems he is much improved and mistakes are happening less often . This is a good sign

if Rg3 fails it will be because of the above flaws i have mentioned . he has the TOP qb coach in the NFL , he has some good weapons around him and a new O/line coach who is the best in the business ion getting superior performance out of the o/line

somehow i think Rg3 has gotten the message . preseason game one will give us a much better read on things

Classic avoidance tactic........change the subject, create an arguable point, then argue it. Anyone who's read your rants against RGIII knows where you stand with him. This is NOT about RGIII. For the record, it is about , J Gruden who based on last year could still be harboring memories, like you, from last season. There are a significant number of folks who have concluded that RGIII is a shot QB, why can't J. Gruden be one of them? Others who believe that K. Cousins or C. McCoy should be the starter, why is it so hard to believe that J. Gruden also can't be one of them? You then state that, Gruden doesn't win if RG fails, what if he already believes that he can't win with him? Something ( err..one) caused him to change his mind from open competition to naming Griffin as starter!! Yeah right, the OP was all about coddling the player and had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the thread topic nor its' intended content. Is it really that difficult to remember the frustrations and mistrust exhibited by Gruden a season ago and believe that he has now formulated an opinion, has a bias, or drawn a conclusion? We won't know because he hasn't made that public, but that was not the original question either.

 

[skinsdad62]

Classic avoidance tactic........change the subject, create an arguable point, then argue it. Anyone who's read your rants against RGIII knows where you stand with him. This is NOT about RGIII. For the record, it is about , J Gruden who based on last year could still be harboring memories, like you, from last season. There are a significant number of folks who have concluded that RGIII is a shot QB, why can't J. Gruden be one of them? Others who believe that K. Cousins or C. McCoy should be the starter, why is it so hard to believe that J. Gruden also can't be one of them? You then state that, Gruden doesn't win if RG fails, what if he already believes that he can't win with him? Something ( err..one) caused him to change his mind from open competition to naming Griffin as starter!! Yeah right, the OP was all about coddling the player and had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the thread topic nor its' intended content. Is it really that difficult to remember the frustrations and mistrust exhibited by Gruden a season ago and believe that he has now formulated an opinion, has a bias, or drawn a conclusion? We won't know because he hasn't made that public, but that was not the original question either.

i didnt avoid anything , i simply pointed out that Rg3 didnt play good football last season and it was his fault not some dislike gruden had for him .

if Rg3 plays well there wont be any reason for gruden to bench him period

 

[j_y19]

the question isnt will gruden give his best effort it is whether Rg3 will give his . as far as i am concerned gruden was right last season in benching Rg3 , he wasnt playing well at qb . gruden doesnt win if RG3 fails . he would much rather have him succeed and will give him every chance to succeed but he has to function as a pro qb and last season he certainly did not

why is it an athlete cant be held accountable for his failings ? why do people insist on making excuses and coddle these guys ? Rg3's performance is almost all on his lack of film study , poor fundamentals , and lack of knowledge of the playbook . those are things he can personally control yet failed to do so

now from the early reports at OTA'S it seems he is much improved and mistakes are happening less often . This is a good sign

if Rg3 fails it will be because of the above flaws i have mentioned . he has the TOP qb coach in the NFL , he has some good weapons around him and a new O/line coach who is the best in the business ion getting superior performance out of the o/line

somehow i think Rg3 has gotten the message . preseason game one will give us a much better read on things

Couldn't agree more. Robert's success is dependent upon him first and foremost. You can lead a horse to water.....

 

[Lonewate44]

It seems to me you are asking if Gruden will intentitinally set RGIII to fail???? If that is the question you are asking I say no.....What coach in his right mind would set up his starting QB and his team to fail, just so he can get "another guy in there???? the answer is none!!.... No coach ...who ever wants to be a head coach in teh NFL would do that.......It si the coachs job to set the team up to Win....to succeed, and there are 53 men on the roster that deserve nothing but the coachs best effort in preparing the TEAM to win...to put the players in the best position to showcase their talents.

 

[skinsdad62]

It seems to me you are asking if Gruden will intentitinally set RGIII to fail???? If that is the question you are asking I say no.....What coach in his right mind would set up his starting QB and his team to fail, just so he can get "another guy in there???? the answer is none!!.... No coach ...who ever wants to be a head coach in teh NFL would do that.......It si the coachs job to set the team up to Win....to succeed, and there are 53 men on the roster that deserve nothing but the coachs best effort in preparing the TEAM to win...to put the players in the best position to showcase their talents.

well said , and that is why i havetaken the stance that i have taken as far as Rg3 in this thread . it is on him and gruden doesnt want him to fail because it hurts the team and him