Will Cutler be here next year?

[richig07]

RG III would be a good fit in Chicago.

No...

No, he would not.

 

[richig07]

But thats the thing, nobody is expecting to get a Mariani or Winston to take over day 1. You still need to spend a relatively high pick to get a QB to train. Some of us were looking at Hundley last year, the Packers took him. You know he is not replacing Rodgers any time soon, but they will prep him to step in when needed, then deal him if he is not, like they dealt flynn.

They took him in the 5th round... I mean, come on. Rodgers will be 32 when 2016 starts. He will be playing quite a few years into the 2020's. Hundley's only shot of playing for any extended period of time as the Packers QB is if Rodgers goes down with a big injury.

You're acting like they took him as a potential future replacement for Rodgers, which could not be farther from the truth. He is no different than what we have in Fales. A guy who is likely to wind up a nothing. A young guy who was intriguing to the group that drafted him, yet unlikely to ever be a big time QB. Sure, there's the Tom Brady's and Tony Romo's of the world. However, for every one of those 5th, 6th, 7th round or undrafted guys who made it. There are 200 that never played more than a handful of meaningful downs.

 

[broncosmitty]

 

[broncosmitty]

The Pack didn't trade Flynn.

Smoking the Lions collective dicks in one game earned him a crazy deal. He left via FAgency. The Seahawks traded him to Oakland.

 

[richig07]

Just a random thought I figured I'd mention about Jay.

It's kind of funny how Cutler earned such a rep for throwing so many INT's just based off of that one 2009 season, and then a string of games last year.

You hear pundits CONSTANTLY make cracks about Cutler; "Well... we all know, if you just be patient. He's going to throw a couple to you. It's inevitable." When he actually has the longest active streak of going without having a multiple INT game in the NFL currently. He also is tied for 5th in the NFL for fewest interceptions.

Hell, even a Lions fan in the thread joking about how he wants Cutler to stay in the division. Presumably because "Cutler helps the Lions". Meanwhile, Stafford has thrown more INT's than Cutler in 4 of the last 5 seasons. Nothing against the Lions fan posting here, BTW.

Just an observation worth mentioning. The guy really does catch so much shit. For some reason Lions fans love talking a lot about Cutler, more than any other fan base too. Funny to me, I don't see where the hell Stafford has had some kind of great success that has turned Jay into a punching bag for them. The two have kind of had very similar careers to this point. Similar numbers, wins, etc... Hell, Cutler even has a playoff win. Although, Stafford obviously being a couple of years younger.

 

[anotheridiot]

They took him in the 5th round... I mean, come on. Rodgers will be 32 when 2016 starts. He will be playing quite a few years into the 2020's. Hundley's only shot of playing for any extended period of time as the Packers QB is if Rodgers goes down with a big injury.

You're acting like they took him as a potential future replacement for Rodgers, which could not be farther from the truth. He is no different than what we have in Fales. A guy who is likely to wind up a nothing. A young guy who was intriguing to the group that drafted him, yet unlikely to ever be a big time QB. Sure, there's the Tom Brady's and Tony Romo's of the world. However, for every one of those 5th, 6th, 7th round or undrafted guys who made it. There are 200 that never played more than a handful of meaningful downs.

No, you are missing the point.

I am saying they have Aaron double check Rodgers and they STILL took a quarterback. Guys here feel if we draft a quarterback anywhere its for no other purpose than to replace Jay. I am sure when they had Favre and picked Rodgers they heard about it from their fans too, but somehow the teams with real elite franchise quarterbacks pick a quarterback but for some reason the Bears should not for any reason. Look at Osweiller in Denver, three plus years to develop, able to step in. Somehow if David Fales never even gets a shot to quarterback a regular season play he is a bust and a waste of a pick. Thats the mentality and it was just proven with your remarks about a quarterback drafted by the packers. But see, they dont need to sign a jimmy claussen to back up our guy do they?

 

[anotheridiot]

The Pack didn't trade Flynn.

Smoking the Lions collective dicks in one game earned him a crazy deal. He left via FAgency. The Seahawks traded him to Oakland.

But they could have, just like the redskins could have traded RGIII or Cousins. Thats for the team to decide when the value is highest and allowing the guy to play. Thats the whole deal, even with an elite guy they still worked like they need to refill the position. Thats what does not happen here.

 

[richig07]

@anotheridiot

No, you are missing the point.

No, I get the point... I really do.

Guys here feel if we draft a quarterback anywhere its for no other purpose than to replace Jay. I am sure when they had Favre and picked Rodgers they heard about it from their fans too

Hate to break it to you. They did draft Rodgers to replace Favre. Favre played longer than he and the organization originally anticipated. If Favre had told the organization he would play until 2010. Highly doubtful he ever leaves and it's highly doubtful they draft Rodgers. He did this with GB... then again with NYJ... then two more times with MIN.

Somehow the teams with real elite franchise quarterbacks pick a quarterback but for some reason the Bears should not for any reason

This is simply an extension of a run-on sentence that is hard to follow. Quite frankly, it just does not make sense.

Somehow if David Fales never even gets a shot to quarterback a regular season play he is a bust and a waste of a pick.

Well, if David Fales never takes a step onto an NFL football field during a regular season game and contributes. Ever. I hate to break it to you. Just from a basic and technical standpoint, yeah. It was wasted. That would mean he was cast out as a free agent and he didn't even warrant being rostered by a team in need of a QB. That's just common sense. If an NFL organization uses a draft pick on a guy, who then goes on to NEVER play in the NFL. Yes, it was wasted. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have drafted that position.

I don't think YOU get the point... We JUST did what the Packers did. We selected David Fales in the 2014 draft. You're bitching about them taking a QB late in the draft, and us not doing this... When we literally just did it a year ago.

Thats the mentality and it was just proven with your remarks about a quarterback drafted by the packers. But see, they dont need to sign a jimmy claussen to back up our guy do they?

Dude, are you drunk?



Also, I cannot think of something more silly than saying Osweiller sitting three years was better for him. Sure, I like sitting a rookie early on, if it is feasible. However, at the three year point, all you've done is prolong learning curves you can only get passed by seeing real game action.

Here's the bottom line. Draft a QB mid-late rounds with Cutler still here. Awesome! Hell, draft one in the 2nd or 3rd if a good looking one falls there. However, 99% of the time you do have to actively be seeking your future franchise QB. In order to ultimately find him. AKA... your top draft priority. If you're looking for a backup, sure... different story. Like I said, that's what we did with Fales.

 

[wood20ks]

Just a random thought I figured I'd mention about Jay.

It's kind of funny how Cutler earned such a rep for throwing so many INT's just based off of that one 2009 season, and then a string of games last year.

You hear pundits CONSTANTLY make cracks about Cutler; "Well... we all know, if you just be patient. He's going to throw a couple to you. It's inevitable." When he actually has the longest active streak of going without having a multiple INT game in the NFL currently. He also is tied for 5th in the NFL for fewest interceptions.

Hell, even a Lions fan in the thread joking about how he wants Cutler to stay in the division. Presumably because "Cutler helps the Lions". Meanwhile, Stafford has thrown more INT's than Cutler in 4 of the last 5 seasons. Nothing against the Lions fan posting here, BTW.

Just an observation worth mentioning. The guy really does catch so much shit. For some reason Lions fans love talking a lot about Cutler, more than any other fan base too. Funny to me, I don't see where the hell Stafford has had some kind of great success that has turned Jay into a punching bag for them. The two have kind of had very similar careers to this point. Similar numbers, wins, etc... Hell, Cutler even has a playoff win. Although, Stafford obviously being a couple of years younger.

Lets not mention the time he missed........

 

[richig07]

Lets not mention the time he missed........

Well. He missed 6 games in 2011. Where he threw 7 INT's. While Stafford threw more than twice as many with 16. In 2013, Stafford threw 19 to Cutler's 12. Cutler missed 5.

Still a rather safe bet that Jay finishes with less than Stafford.

I mean... I get it. You wouldn't be doing your duty if you didn't try to discredit Jay in every area possible.

 

[richig07]

In his presser yesterday, Jay was talking about 2016 more than once. Also made one reference to what him and Gase want to do next year.

Safe to say, if Cutler isn't a Bear in 2016. It would come as a shock to him.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

Cutler this season transformed himself into the type of QB that John Fox wants. Fox is a conservative coach that wants a QB that doesn't turn the ball over. Cutler has only 8 INTs on the season. Fox also admires guys that are really tough, which Cutler is. It's a safe bet that Fox wants Cutler back next season. In fact I think Cutler will be the Chicago QB for the next few years. I see Fox and Cutler doing big things together!

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Well, Noon... I've enjoyed your postings since the mid-2000's. However, I do have to say that the entire NFL's respect, along with Peyton Manning, Jay Cutler, etc... does go a bit farther than yours.

Just saying. These will likely be the best numbers Cutler has posted here, and he did so playing most of the year with nobody out there catching balls for him. Along with an, at best, middling O-line. If Trestman, Martz, Turner, etc... are out there calling plays. This season could easily have been a complete and total nightmare.

Your right Rich. I have a more aggressive nature so he does not fit my personal taste but that hardly means he is wrong or not doing a good job. But I'll tell ya, when it's second and one this guys runs up the middle, it kills me. If you watch how defenses line up against us you would think Hester and Knox were still our WRs.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

RG III would be a good fit in Chicago.

Why do you hate us? or do you think he could make a good return man?

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

I don't see Cutler leaving either, I was just saying there would be suitors this year.

 

[richig07]

Your right Rich. I have a more aggressive nature so he does not fit my personal taste but that hardly means he is wrong or not doing a good job. But I'll tell ya, when it's second and one this guys runs up the middle, it kills me. If you watch how defenses line up against us you would think Hester and Knox were still our WRs.

I agree that there have been points where his conservative play calling was killing me. I cannot imagine a scenario in any of those two Detroit OT drives. That if we let Cutler throw the ball, that we do not win. It's impossible. With how he was throwing at will in that 4th quarter. It was like taking candy from a baby. I honestly don't know if Forte up the middle worked once all day. Yet, on first and second down both possessions. Guess what we do?

However, I think we do also have to remember that in the majority of these games, Alshon has been out. Marquess has been out. Eddie Royal has been out. Over the past couple of months, most weeks. Marty Bennett has been out.

He had no choice other than to do what he did vs Tampa. Against a good Bucs D, with Todd Mariani and Josh Bellamy as our receivers leading the way. Along with an Eddie Royal who was busy being sick with the flu on the sidelines more often than not, Fox said.

Same goes for most of the year. I just don't think he got to get in synch with those guys all being in there. He didn't get a great feel. I really hope he comes back next season. I want to see this offense kick it into its next gear, and do so with a healthy squad. Plus, Kevin White and hopefully an improved O-line.

 

[GNG]

Why do you hate us? or do you think he could make a good return man?

He's talented and a recent #1 draft pick.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

You hear pundits CONSTANTLY make cracks about Cutler; "Well... we all know, if you just be patient. He's going to throw a couple to you. It's inevitable." When he actually has the longest active streak of going without having a multiple INT game in the NFL currently. He also is tied for 5th in the NFL for fewest interceptions.

Mostly I am staying out of this discussion (my Christmas present to the board...YOU'RE WELCOME!), but this I cannot let go by.

Jay Cutler has one of the highest int rates in the league among active QBs:

NFL Active Pass Interception % Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

He also is one of the highest fumblers of QBs, and when you consider age, this isn't pretty:
NFL Active Fumbles Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

In total, he has been a turnover machine:
Rodgers, Ryan, Brady Best Ever Protecting The Football

This season, his relatively turnover-improved year (which tells you how badly we have been conditioned by him) he is better but not great (10th place) in interception rate and is tied for 2nd with 5 fumbles lost behind leaders Mariota and McCown who have 6.

Jay Cutler, for most of his career, is a turnover machine. If you want to argue other aspects of Cutler's game, by all means, please do, but the argument that Cutler gets a bad rap for his interceptions is patently crazy.

Anyway, happy holidays everyone.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

He's talented and a recent #1 draft pick.

Ok, I guess you were not joking. The fact someone was dumb enough to waste a high first rd pick on him is no reason for us to make a mistake. He is very talented but he will never be a NFL QB. His game does not translate to NFL football. No running QB under 260 lbs can stay healthy in this league. We need a QB that can play 16 games a year. R Wilson runs I know but he does not take hits. Cam runs but he is big enough to take the beating. RG3 is too small to play his style in this league.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Mostly I am staying out of this discussion (my Christmas present to the board...YOU'RE WELCOME!), but this I cannot let go by.

Jay Cutler has one of the highest int rates in the league among active QBs:

NFL Active Pass Interception % Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

He also is one of the highest fumblers of QBs, and when you consider age, this isn't pretty:
NFL Active Fumbles Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

In total, he has been a turnover machine:
Rodgers, Ryan, Brady Best Ever Protecting The Football

This season, his relatively turnover-improved year (which tells you how badly we have been conditioned by him) he is better but not great (10th place) in interception rate and is tied for 2nd with 5 fumbles lost behind leaders Mariota and McCown who have 6.

Jay Cutler, for most of his career, is a turnover machine. If you want to argue other aspects of Cutler's game, by all means, please do, but the argument that Cutler gets a bad rap for his interceptions is patently crazy.

Anyway, happy holidays everyone.

What did I tell you about facts Cali?