Wiggins

[PickleRick]

There is absolutely no saving grace for this guy. He is quite literally the absolute worst max contract player in the history of the nba. Hes actually one of the worst starting players ever as well.

 

[Black Adam]

There is absolutely no saving grace for this guy. He is quite literally the absolute worst max contract player in the history of the nba. Hes actually one of the worst starting players ever as well.

will definitely agree the guy's always been an underachiever...

 

[wildturkey]

"There's not 100 players better than me" -Andrew Wiggins

You're right. There's 200

 

[Black Adam]

"There's not 100 players better than me" -Andrew Wiggins

You're right. There's 200

1 or 2 might be playing in the G-League right now...

 

[The Q]

"There's not 100 players better than me" -Andrew Wiggins

You're right. There's 200

I said that same thing to my friend after that comment lol

 

[trojanfan12]

I remember everyone being really high on this guy (myself included).

I guess you could say Lebron saved the Cavs twice that season. First by returning and second by making sure Wiggins was traded for Love. lol

 

[jontaejones]

There is absolutely no saving grace for this guy. He is quite literally the absolute worst max contract player in the history of the nba. Hes actually one of the worst starting players ever as well.

He was pretty good against the Nets in the 1st game. Taking it to the hole, high % shots.

 

[PickleRick]

He was pretty good against the Nets in the 1st game. Taking it to the hole, high % shots.

You mean when he went 10-27 for 21 points? Yeah, for him that was a good game. But thats kind of the issue isnt it?

 

[PickleRick]

I remember everyone being really high on this guy (myself included).

I guess you could say Lebron saved the Cavs twice that season. First by returning and second by making sure Wiggins was traded for Love. lol

He is just insanely lazy and stupid. Ive never seen a guy do so little with what he has been gifted. Lazy, worthless bum.

 

[jontaejones]

You mean when he went 10-27 for 21 points? Yeah, for him that was a good game. But thats kind of the issue isnt it?

I saw that Joe Harris made that list of 100.

In a vacuum, no way is Joe Harris a better basketball player than Wiggins.

However, in a team format, as a piece of the puzzle, his shooting 'could' be more valuable to a team than what Wiggins brings.

The problem with Wiggins is that his game is that his game isn't a role player, his game is 1st fiddle. Is he good enough to be a first fiddle for a winning team? No.

But that's the problem with these guys like Wiggins, Jabari Parker, even Carmelo Anthony.

They either are 'the man' or they can't bring much else. But if you went to the YMCA and one team had Wiggins the other had Joe Harris, Wiggins is the better player.

Does that make sense?

 

[PickleRick]

I saw that Joe Harris made that list of 100.

In a vacuum, no way is Joe Harris a better basketball player than Wiggins.

However, in a team format, as a piece of the puzzle, his shooting 'could' be more valuable to a team than what Wiggins brings.

The problem with Wiggins is that his game is that his game isn't a role player, his game is 1st fiddle. Is he good enough to be a first fiddle for a winning team? No.

But that's the problem with these guys like Wiggins, Jabari Parker, even Carmelo Anthony.

They either are 'the man' or they can't bring much else. But if you went to the YMCA and one team had Wiggins the other had Joe Harris, Wiggins is the better player.

Does that make sense?

It does make sense. The only problem is Wiggins is not nearly as good as he thinks he is.

 

[Sparhawk]

If you're not an efficient shooter or an efficient defender, you've got problems...

For his career, by advanced metrics, he has never provided value over a replacement player.
Never.
This is his 6th season.
400 games of 'average' to 'below average' play.

It's an albatross of a contract.

 

[Shanemansj13]

He would be the MVP of the D-League year after year

 

[shopson67]

I saw that Joe Harris made that list of 100.

In a vacuum, no way is Joe Harris a better basketball player than Wiggins.

However, in a team format, as a piece of the puzzle, his shooting 'could' be more valuable to a team than what Wiggins brings.

The problem with Wiggins is that his game is that his game isn't a role player, his game is 1st fiddle. Is he good enough to be a first fiddle for a winning team? No.

But that's the problem with these guys like Wiggins, Jabari Parker, even Carmelo Anthony.

They either are 'the man' or they can't bring much else. But if you went to the YMCA and one team had Wiggins the other had Joe Harris, Wiggins is the better player.

Does that make sense?

Melo doesn't deserve such treatment. He was a much better player than either Wiggins or Parker can imagine being.

 

[CitySushi]

Andrew Wiggins is basically Carmelo Anthony, if Carmelo forgot how to play basketball.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Andrew Wiggins is basically Carmelo Anthony, if Carmelo forgot how to play basketball.

So like current a 50 year old Melo except way worse, makes sense

 

[Mebert]

Because I need it to be real forever I will point out that Wiggins only had 1 mid range shot in his last game, the rest was 3s and paint! Also his rebound rate is up to acceptable rates for a wing.

I will assume the effort on defense is coming any moment now

 

[Shanemansj13]

Wiggins at this point can be called a "bust" BUT there are different levels of busts in my opinion:

1. A player is drafted very high and is just awful. They are out of the league in less than a couple years or reduced to a bench warmer role.
Examples - Adam Morrison, Anthony Bennett, Darko Milicic

2. A player drafted high is riddled with injuries, we really don't know what their career would be like. Honestly, this one is questionable to even be labeled as a "bust" bc injuries can be out of the players' hands.
Examples: Greg Oden, Michael Olowokandi

3. A player drafted high that had solid, somewhat productive career but simply did not meet their expectations as a prospect and player overall.
Examples: Michael Beasley, Andrea Bargnani, Darko Milicic

Wiggins, right now, is in that 3 category. He was labeled as the next Lebron and the #1 prospect in H.S. He was at Kansas for one year where he really continued this hype, he was an All-Big 12 Freshman, Consensus AA and made the All-Big 12 Team in his lone year. Looking at his numbers solely if you never saw him play you would be questioning why he is a bust. Well it's the fact he basically hasn't improved since his 2nd year in the league. His 3 point shooting is consistently below average, his shot selection is below average (FG % has actually gone down since early in his career), he is a below average FT shooter at his position, he doesn't play defense and for his size and athleticism is a mediocre rebounder and below average passer. There is nothing he brings to the floor that is special. What teases us more are these flashes of "greatness", like scoring 16 points in a 4 minute span to win a game. No one can explain it but imo it is just his work ethic, his drive and mental toughness that is stopping him for succeeding. That being said, he is only 24 and has a ways to go. I don't think we will ever see him being a future star like expected but he can work to make is overall game better and I think that starts with his shot selection and defense.

 

[jontaejones]

Melo doesn't deserve such treatment. He was a much better player than either Wiggins or Parker can imagine being.

Better but similar in that he's not good enough or efficient enough as a scorer to be the best player on a real good team.

If Wiggins was as bad as you guys say he is, he'd have been traded years ago.

 

[Taddy Mason]

Better but similar in that he's not good enough or efficient enough as a scorer to be the best player on a real good team.

If Wiggins was as bad as you guys say he is, he'd have been traded years ago.

yes, what team wouldn't want to trade for a player as bad as everyone says he is making max?

sound logic