Game Thread: Who would you pick if.....

[randymon]

You were Elway and you had 1st pk in this draft. Just curious to see who you guys like the most in this draft. Would you go for a position of need or would you just have to grab that guy you just couldn`t flat out pass on becuase he`s such a great talent whether it`s a big need or not. No trades, just "your" guy.

 

[TDs3nOut]

I don't follow college football closely enough or know enough about evaluating players to have an informed opinion about who we should draft in the first round, but here is a piece from NFL.com that consists of four mocks.

2015 NFL Mock Draft Central - NFL.com

Two of those have us picking the NT from OU, one has us taking the ILB from MS State, and the other has taking the OT from A&M. The only one I've seen play much is McKinney the ILB from MS State. He is a good player, of course, but I'm sure that the other two are also good players.

One player that I would really like to get is the WR from KS State Tyler Lockett, who I understand is projected to go in around the fourth or the fifth round. If he's on the board when we pick in the third, I would stake my e-reputation as a talent scout that he is worth taking! I watched Emmanuel Sanders play when he was at SMU and I really thought that he had a chance to become a good player in the league. Suffice to say, I think that Lockett has a good chance to be much better than even Sanders.

Also, wouldn't mind seeing a UH Cougar like DT Joey Mbu drafted by Denver. Not sure where he is projected to go, but I think that he can play in the league.

 

[DownSetHutch]

Great thread topic, randymon. I'm going with my man from the U, Denzel Perryman. He's the goods. I've seen him rated anywhere from Top 15 to 90s, but most mock drafts have him going late 1st to early 2nd. He had a slow 40 in the combine, but his on-field speed is much better. This man is a football magnet and plays MLB like a missile. I don't know if we'll draft him with our 1st pick, but he would be worth it IMO. He is the best ILB in the draft. Better than McKinney. I hope he keeps flying under people's radar. Fortunately, the Broncos have already showed interest in him.


P.S. Everybody keep him on the down-low. ; )

 

[cdumler7]

My top choice right now would be Cameron Erving of Florida State. The guy honestly has just blown me away the more games of his I watch. He is strong, athletic, versatile, and above all else very intelligent. This guy has played all over the Florida State OL. Essentially wherever they needed him that week he would go play and play well. So he gives us a piece to the OL puzzle where wherever is the weakest spot we can plug him in and know we will get good play. I would love to see us bring in Myers or resign Montgomery to play Center then put Erving in at LG and then have Schofield at RT and see what happens.

 

[TDs3nOut]

My top choice right now would be Cameron Erving of Florida State. The guy honestly has just blown me away the more games of his I watch. He is strong, athletic, versatile, and above all else very intelligent. This guy has played all over the Florida State OL. Essentially wherever they needed him that week he would go play and play well. So he gives us a piece to the OL puzzle where wherever is the weakest spot we can plug him in and know we will get good play. I would love to see us bring in Myers or resign Montgomery to play Center then put Erving in at LG and then have Schofield at RT and see what happens.

I read this article the other day, which discusses Kiper predicting that we take Erving:

NFL Mock Draft 2015: Mel Kiper mocks Cameron Erving to Denver Broncos - Mile High Report

Seems to me that he would probably be a solid pick. Not many OL are able to excel at every position on the line, but perhaps Erving can do that. I recall how valuable the ability of Bruce Mathews to play multiple positions was for the Oilers.

 

[cdumler7]

I read this article the other day, which discusses Kiper predicting that we take Erving:

NFL Mock Draft 2015: Mel Kiper mocks Cameron Erving to Denver Broncos - Mile High Report

Seems to me that he would probably be a solid pick. Not many OL are able to excel at every position on the line, but perhaps Erving can do that. I recall how valuable the ability of Bruce Mathews to play multiple positions was for the Oilers.

I've watched games of him at Left Tackle and games of him at Center and at both positions I saw 1st round talent. You don't find that very often. Throw in the guy has great technique (does get over aggressive sometimes but would rather have him overaggressive than under) and moves his feet really well which fits well with a ZBS that we will be running. He on top of that has great power where I saw him driving guys 5 yards off the LOS. He also climbs to the 2nd level really well always looking for somebody to block.

 

[cdumler7]

I think another guy to keep an eye on that I think will quickly start climbing up draft boards is that of Jake Fisher of Oregon. They said the guy probably had the best pro day of anybody up to this point in the process and he is just looking ultra athletic. Which for a ZBS is exactly what you are wanting. Throw in he does have some power as he won what they call the pancake award at Oregon for most pancake blocks (knocking down the guy you are blocking on their butt). He also has some versatility with having played both RT and LT for Oregon. We saw last year with Chris Clark that the switch from one side to the other is not always the easiest so getting a guy that has done well on the right side already does help ease some concern with the switch. He does get very grabby though as he was the most penalized OL player of anybody that is in this draft. Needs some major work on technique but hey we do have Gibbs coming back as a consultant. I would say stick this kid with him for a few days and all bad technique will be gone. Either that or one of them will have stabbed the other as Gibbs is about the meanest coach I have ever seen. The guy spits nails it seems like.

 

[randymon]

I like how you guys have gone for need and not tempted by the " spashy" picks. Perrymon Irving and Fisher would all be great pks imo. I see no one so far is inticed or confident enough to go DT with the likes of Leonard Williams or Danny Shelton???? I have to agree that the O-line is more primary concern and there is alot of talent there. With that said.....Maybe you go DT with one of those guys and still can get quality O lineman in 2nd and 3rds with maybe say Tre`Jackson from Florida ST ( could be available) or Cedric Obughi from Texas A&M. Now that is a stretch those to make it to late 2nd when Broncos pk again but it`s possible with the teams ahead of Broncos having different needs for their team than O-line. Maybe???? Personally, I would go Oline then LB but if not one there I like,go Oline again. Good job Gents appreciate your inputs and thoughts

 

[cdumler7]

I guess I misunderstood what you were talking about Randymon. Yes if one of those guys falls to us then you draft them in a heartbeat. I was more looking at realistic players that could fall to us that would meet both need and value for the pick. Williams is a top-5 pick so very very small chance he would even come close to us. I would say if he makes it to around 15 then I would think about trading up because he is the best talent in this draft and I'm not even sure it is close. Shelton is probably going top-15 so again very little chance we even stand a chance of getting him. I"m just not a big believer in trading up unless it is a talent we just can't pass on. Throw in it being a NT/DT that we would be trading up for in this situation. Hard to give up future picks or most of this draft for one player at a position that while important isn't a necessity to have the best of the best at.

At this point really the Broncos could go many ways in the 1st round. We don't know what they will do with the rest of FA so some of that will play into it. Such as no reason to sign a guy like Wiesniewski of the Raiders to play Center then use a high round pick on a Center. So still need to see how some of that plays out. At this point though it does look like OL talent will be there at 28 for us which fits both value and need. This draft doesn't have that sure fire Top-5 OT prospect but it has about 12-15 OL prospects that all grade very closely together in that 15-50 range for the draft. So I do think this is a draft where you maybe see some high end OL players fall a bit with teams knowing they can still grab a quality guy that is graded closely with the one available in the next round.

As of right now I have about 4-5 guys in the 1st round that I have my eyes on for the Broncos. My top choice honestly is Ereck Flowers of Miami. The problem is the more this off season goes on the more he keeps climbing up boards and is possibly looking like the top OT off the board. La'el Collins is another that I like. He showed more athleticism than people thought for a man his size and he is a guy that can play both RT and LG for us. He does have some motivation issues but when fully motivated there might not be a better OL player in this draft. T.J. Clemmings and D.J. Humphries are very similar players in they both have ridiculous athleticism but lack polish. With the right coaching they both could be huge steals in this draft.

Then in that 2nd round area there are still some very talented prospects. Ogbuehi was a top-15 talent before his ACL injury. He would obviously be great value but the issue is we are going to need a guy that can start day 1 most likely. He could be healed up by then but that would definitely be pushing it for his injury. Jake Fisher like I mentioned could be climbing into round 1 but I would probably rather see if we can get him in the 2nd. It is probably a pipe dream but he really does lack polish. He is a guy that needs a bit of time to get coached up. Hard to use a 1st round pick on a guy that I think will need some time to develop. Now finally a guy I actually think could be there and would be a great get for the Broncos is Tyler Sambrailo of Colorado State. The guy is a freak athletically and is very technically sound. He is smart as can be doing a great job of cutting off rushers before they even think about making a move. He brings instant pass protection with the ability in a year or two working out with trainers to be a good run blocker for the team.

In the 3rd round I really like the idea of taking a center. Hroniss Grasu of Oregon is a guy that can step in day 1 and be the starter. He is very athletically gifted and a very smart player. Dismukes of Auburn is another that I could see stepping in day 1 for us. He isn't a stand out in one area but is one of those that doesn't have really any weakness that really stands out either.

 

[randymon]

I guess I misunderstood what you were talking about Randymon. Yes if one of those guys falls to us then you draft them in a heartbeat. I was more looking at realistic players that could fall to us that would meet both need and value for the pick. Williams is a top-5 pick so very very small chance he would even come close to us. I would say if he makes it to around 15 then I would think about trading up because he is the best talent in this draft and I'm not even sure it is close. Shelton is probably going top-15 so again very little chance we even stand a chance of getting him. I"m just not a big believer in trading up unless it is a talent we just can't pass on. Throw in it being a NT/DT that we would be trading up for in this situation. Hard to give up future picks or most of this draft for one player at a position that while important isn't a necessity to have the best of the best at.

At this point really the Broncos could go many ways in the 1st round. We don't know what they will do with the rest of FA so some of that will play into it. Such as no reason to sign a guy like Wiesniewski of the Raiders to play Center then use a high round pick on a Center. So still need to see how some of that plays out. At this point though it does look like OL talent will be there at 28 for us which fits both value and need. This draft doesn't have that sure fire Top-5 OT prospect but it has about 12-15 OL prospects that all grade very closely together in that 15-50 range for the draft. So I do think this is a draft where you maybe see some high end OL players fall a bit with teams knowing they can still grab a quality guy that is graded closely with the one available in the next round.

As of right now I have about 4-5 guys in the 1st round that I have my eyes on for the Broncos. My top choice honestly is Ereck Flowers of Miami. The problem is the more this off season goes on the more he keeps climbing up boards and is possibly looking like the top OT off the board. La'el Collins is another that I like. He showed more athleticism than people thought for a man his size and he is a guy that can play both RT and LG for us. He does have some motivation issues but when fully motivated there might not be a better OL player in this draft. T.J. Clemmings and D.J. Humphries are very similar players in they both have ridiculous athleticism but lack polish. With the right coaching they both could be huge steals in this draft.

Then in that 2nd round area there are still some very talented prospects. Ogbuehi was a top-15 talent before his ACL injury. He would obviously be great value but the issue is we are going to need a guy that can start day 1 most likely. He could be healed up by then but that would definitely be pushing it for his injury. Jake Fisher like I mentioned could be climbing into round 1 but I would probably rather see if we can get him in the 2nd. It is probably a pipe dream but he really does lack polish. He is a guy that needs a bit of time to get coached up. Hard to use a 1st round pick on a guy that I think will need some time to develop. Now finally a guy I actually think could be there and would be a great get for the Broncos is Tyler Sambrailo of Colorado State. The guy is a freak athletically and is very technically sound. He is smart as can be doing a great job of cutting off rushers before they even think about making a move. He brings instant pass protection with the ability in a year or two working out with trainers to be a good run blocker for the team.

In the 3rd round I really like the idea of taking a center. Hroniss Grasu of Oregon is a guy that can step in day 1 and be the starter. He is very athletically gifted and a very smart player. Dismukes of Auburn is another that I could see stepping in day 1 for us. He isn't a stand out in one area but is one of those that doesn't have really any weakness that really stands out either.

I guess I misunderstood what you were talking about Randymon. Yes if one of those guys falls to us then you draft them in a heartbeat. I was more looking at realistic players that could fall to us that would meet both need and value for the pick. Williams is a top-5 pick so very very small chance he would even come close to us. I would say if he makes it to around 15 then I would think about trading up because he is the best talent in this draft and I'm not even sure it is close. Shelton is probably going top-15 so again very little chance we even stand a chance of getting him. I"m just not a big believer in trading up unless it is a talent we just can't pass on. Throw in it being a NT/DT that we would be trading up for in this situation. Hard to give up future picks or most of this draft for one player at a position that while important isn't a necessity to have the best of the best at.

At this point really the Broncos could go many ways in the 1st round. We don't know what they will do with the rest of FA so some of that will play into it. Such as no reason to sign a guy like Wiesniewski of the Raiders to play Center then use a high round pick on a Center. So still need to see how some of that plays out. At this point though it does look like OL talent will be there at 28 for us which fits both value and need. This draft doesn't have that sure fire Top-5 OT prospect but it has about 12-15 OL prospects that all grade very closely together in that 15-50 range for the draft. So I do think this is a draft where you maybe see some high end OL players fall a bit with teams knowing they can still grab a quality guy that is graded closely with the one available in the next round.

As of right now I have about 4-5 guys in the 1st round that I have my eyes on for the Broncos. My top choice honestly is Ereck Flowers of Miami. The problem is the more this off season goes on the more he keeps climbing up boards and is possibly looking like the top OT off the board. La'el Collins is another that I like. He showed more athleticism than people thought for a man his size and he is a guy that can play both RT and LG for us. He does have some motivation issues but when fully motivated there might not be a better OL player in this draft. T.J. Clemmings and D.J. Humphries are very similar players in they both have ridiculous athleticism but lack polish. With the right coaching they both could be huge steals in this draft.

Then in that 2nd round area there are still some very talented prospects. Ogbuehi was a top-15 talent before his ACL injury. He would obviously be great value but the issue is we are going to need a guy that can start day 1 most likely. He could be healed up by then but that would definitely be pushing it for his injury. Jake Fisher like I mentioned could be climbing into round 1 but I would probably rather see if we can get him in the 2nd. It is probably a pipe dream but he really does lack polish. He is a guy that needs a bit of time to get coached up. Hard to use a 1st round pick on a guy that I think will need some time to develop. Now finally a guy I actually think could be there and would be a great get for the Broncos is Tyler Sambrailo of Colorado State. The guy is a freak athletically and is very technically sound. He is smart as can be doing a great job of cutting off rushers before they even think about making a move. He brings instant pass protection with the ability in a year or two working out with trainers to be a good run blocker for the team.

In the 3rd round I really like the idea of taking a center. Hroniss Grasu of Oregon is a guy that can step in day 1 and be the starter. He is very athletically gifted and a very smart player. Dismukes of Auburn is another that I could see stepping in day 1 for us. He isn't a stand out in one area but is one of those that doesn't have really any weakness that really stands out either.

Don`t feel bad CD,I kinda lost my way too. The OP was "if you had 1st pk" and then I found myself referring to Denver pking in their normal spot in 2nd and 3rds. Understand the confusion I helped provide
Back to your pks for Denvers "real slot" in draft, all those guys mentioned I`ve been gathering info (TV mostly) and they all would be standout pks esp your rd 1 guys. I like Ogbuehi alot and think if he was completly healthy,could actually step in sooner. Is a tad risky though. Sambrillo would be the safer pk as he really would fit the zone scheme very well. He needs to get stronger though via the weightroom. I do like Grasu too and wonder how his pro-day went ystrdy? I watched but of course evrything was Mariota. Depending on his performance he too could climb up the board.Good stuff bud

 

[HuskerinBig10]

Splash Pick Amari Cooper passing game

Offensive Pick Brandon Scherff pass blocker. Very, very strong Iowa has something going. Riley Reiff, Brian Bulaga, now Scherff. I can see him being at least a ten year player on the line and possible hall of fame. From what I have read he is a legend around the Iowa locker room and weight room.

Amari Cooper seems to get hurt every year. Scherff only got hurt at the NFL Combine because he wanted to be the man. Hamstring, knee, etc. A lame wide receiver ain't good.

My pick is Scherff. he won't be like Tony Mandarich, Scherff is the real deal.

 

[braves66boy]

I do not know who we should draft but I would not fault the NT from Oklahoma for Oklahoma's failures last year. I would blame the coaching. They got away from running the football to much because their coach loves to throw the football. Even though they had 1 of the best running backs in college football in Perine. They had similar problems as our team did. I agree Tyler Lockett would be a good pick in the 4th or 5th round.

 

[DenBronc]

Erving may be a good choice, but if him and Collins aren't there, I am thinking ILB (McKinney, Kendricks, Perryman). Irving may not be back, and who knows if Marshall and Trevathan are fits for the 3-4.

 

[cdumler7]

Erving may be a good choice, but if him and Collins aren't there, I am thinking ILB (McKinney, Kendricks, Perryman). Irving may not be back, and who knows if Marshall and Trevathan are fits for the 3-4.

To me with Marshall and Trevathan standing a good chance of starting plus having a couple of guys we already drafted last year that can play the ILB positions I don't think ILB is this high priority thing we need to find round one. I like Perryman, McKinney, and Kendricks and wouldn't mind one of them in the 2nd round as Trevathan is a FA next year and always good to have competition at the linebacker position but 1st round needs to be a guy that day 1 is a starter for us in my opinion. We didn't have the funds this year to go out and fill every position through FA so that means draft wise we do have to look for some guys that day 1 will contribute to this team being great in the upcoming season.

 

[TDs3nOut]

Here is a slide show from Bleacher Report that consists of ten players that the writer recommends we consider.

Denver Broncos: Updated Draft Big Board After 1st Wave of Free Agency | Bleacher Report

Yeah, I know that almost everyone says that Bleacher Report sucks, but since the list includes both Tyler Lockett and Joey Mbu, two guys I identified in my previous post, I am compelled to post it anyway.

 

[cdumler7]

Here is a slide show from Bleacher Report that consists of ten players that the writer recommends we consider.

Denver Broncos: Updated Draft Big Board After 1st Wave of Free Agency | Bleacher Report

Yeah, I know that almost everyone says that Bleacher Report sucks, but since the list includes both Tyler Lockett and Joey Mbu, two guys I identified in my previous post, I am compelled to post it anyway.

Decent list of players. Nice mix of early round and later round guys for the Broncos. Something to keep in mind with Kubiak and what he likes to do draft wise is he has only selected 1 OL player in the 1st round in his entire time coaching. That was Duane Brown who he turned into an All-Pro LT. So while OL will definitely be looked at heavily I wouldn't be surprised if they wait till the mid to late rounds to actually select guys. The type of OL players that Kubiak likes don't always fit the mold of the top tier guys so usually his guys slip in the draft. Most other teams view them as projects because of a lack of brute strength. For Kubiak he sees them as starters possibly year one. It is why I have great hope for both Schofield and Paradis as the big knocks on them was just having the strength to hold up in the NFL. Speed and technique wise both were considered some of the best in last year's draft.

 

[Southieinnc]

Damn, guys - not one of you had the balls to answer the OP's question!
Let me start it out:
I get bad feelings about Winston. I just don't trust the talk. Not talking off-field.
If I had to chose one or the other, I'd take Mariota - especially if you have Manning for another year.....

 

[WalkerBoh]

Damn, guys - not one of you had the balls to answer the OP's question!
Let me start it out:
I get bad feelings about Winston. I just don't trust the talk. Not talking off-field.
If I had to chose one or the other, I'd take Mariota - especially if you have Manning for another year.....

Actually, it's you who misunderstood the OP's question. He was talking about Denver's 1st round pick, not the number 1 overall pick.

 

[randymon]

Actually he is right Walker but the confusion trickled down quite quickly and I for one helped that fester. Alls good

 

[cdumler7]

Damn, guys - not one of you had the balls to answer the OP's question!
Let me start it out:
I get bad feelings about Winston. I just don't trust the talk. Not talking off-field.
If I had to chose one or the other, I'd take Mariota - especially if you have Manning for another year.....

The OP explained that he didn't make his point very well of what he was wanting to talk about. Mariota unless in the perfect situation will be a bust in my opinion. Too quiet of a leader so it will take him too long to earn the trust of his teammates, has to learn how to play in a pro system, has never had to really do anything with timing routes, reading defenses, or working through his progressions, and so much more. I would take Winston over him in a heart beat.

As for my favorite player in this draft...Probably Leonard Williams or Dante Fowler. I think both will have very good careers in the NFL.