Who was the better player? Same Position

[StanMarsh51]

Both played the same position during the same era.

1. Player A (9053 PAs)) - .297 AVG, .858 OPS (125 OPS+), 287 HR, 1257 RBI, 2336 H, 1366 R, 1212 K, 49.4 WAR

1. Player B (7953 PAs) - .284 AVG, .902 OPS (132 OPS+), 393 HR, 1199 RBI, 1949 H, 1251 R, 1729 K, 60.3 WAR

 

[PhightinIrish]

Player B for sure. Think i figured out the two players also and back up my statement even more now.

 

[obxyankeefan]

Player A hung on two years too long and hurt his rate stats.

But even knowing who the two players are I would vote player B

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I don't like the cherry picked stats... But if I had to pick one of those 2 I would have to pick player B, with BA so close, the power of player B is significantly better...

 

[bksballer89]

Player A

 

[Indrid Cold]

B also had over twice as many assists as A. A threw kinda like Johnny Damon.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Does anyone think there is a difference between these 2 questions

Which offensive player is better??
Which offensive player is better for any baseball team??

 

[obxyankeefan]

B also had over twice as many assists as A. A threw kinda like Johnny Damon.

C'mon A was bad at throwing the ball, but he never had to throw the ball to another OFer to get it back from the Green Monster.

 

[Indrid Cold]

C'mon A was bad at throwing the ball, but he never had to throw the ball to another OFer to get it back from the Green Monster.

Well, you got me there. I do think he was just trying to make that other OFer feel better after he had dug a hole the size of a watermelon with his cleats and done a triple flip with at 10.0 butt landing trying to catch a Texas Leaguer that even Adam Dunn probably would have gloved easily.

At the other extreme, B was great at making a routine fly within 10 feet of him in the OF into a highlight reel play...drift towards it like a glacier, put on the jets at the last second, jump unnecessarily while knocking cap off head, make sure to snowcone the ball even though it's chest high, go for contact with the wall if at all possible like Kobe trying to draw a cheap foul, land on head and go on the DL again.
But, he was actually a pretty good OFer despite the melodrama.

 

[Cyder]

Going with B due to the HR's over less PA's. The K's are a concern but...

 

[Indrid Cold]

Going with B due to the HR's over less PA's. The K's are a concern but...

It was fun to watch B wave at Keith Foulke changeups.

 

[Rock Strongo]

A is bernie williams

B is jim edmonds

vote knowing this accordingly, and keep in mind player A has superior career numbers in hits, RBI, runs, etc...and played in the AL east at its height.

williams played one less year, but has 1,000 more PA's

Also of note...player A (williams) struck out far less than player B (edmonds)

edmonds - 1729 K's
williams - 1212

 

[MilkSpiller22]

A is bernie williams

B is jim edmonds

vote knowing this accordingly, and keep in mind player A has superior career numbers in hits, RBI, runs, etc...and played in the AL east at its height.

williams played one less year, but has 1,000 more PA's

Also of note...player A (williams) struck out far less than player B (edmonds)

edmonds - 1729 K's
williams - 1212

People bring up SOs too much when comparing career numbers... SOs really only matter when there is less than 2 outs and there is men on base... At all other times it is the same as any other out... And since we are talking about career numbers, we know that SOs do not affect BA or OBP more than any other out...

Yes SOs are a bad thing but its main problem is that you cant move up runners... but if the player with more SOs had a better RBI ratio, then SOs should not even be a factor...

Edmonds was the better offensive player over his career than Williams, but Williams was a better hitter for a lineup...

 

[Rock Strongo]

id take bernie over

People bring up SOs too much when comparing career numbers... SOs really only matter when there is less than 2 outs and there is men on base... At all other times it is the same as any other out... And since we are talking about career numbers, we know that SOs do not affect BA or OBP more than any other out...

Yes SOs are a bad thing but its main problem is that you cant move up runners... but if the player with more SOs had a better RBI ratio, then SOs should not even be a factor...

Edmonds was the better offensive player over his career than Williams, but Williams was a better hitter for a lineup...

id take bernie over edmonds if i had to pick a CFer from the 2.

just a more consistent and durable guy


the K's just stand out to me...williams K'd over 100, once (his first full year)

edmonds did that every year from 2000-2006 (averaged 136 over that span)...shit, williams did it once, edmonds 10 times.

williams has more 100 RBI seasons too (5 to 4)

and i dont hate edmonds

 

[MilkSpiller22]

id take bernie over

id take bernie over edmonds if i had to pick a CFer from the 2.

just a more consistent and durable guy


the K's just stand out to me...williams K'd over 100, once (his first full year)

edmonds did that every year from 2000-2006 (averaged 136 over that span)...shit, williams did it once, edmonds 10 times.

williams has more 100 RBI seasons too (5 to 4)

and i dont hate edmonds

I did a fast calculation of Edmonds SOs, so I could be wrong, but it looked like under 500 of his SOs were actual meaningful SOs...

meaningful SOs= SO with less than 2 outs AND at least one Man on base...

 

[StanMarsh51]

I did a fast calculation of Edmonds SOs, so I could be wrong, but it looked like under 500 of his SOs were actual meaningful SOs...

meaningful SOs= SO with less than 2 outs AND at least one Man on base...

If my math is correct Edmonds is at around 500K's in situations where he could've made productive outs, wheras Bernie is around 300. Over a 15ish year career that happens what, 13-14x a season or just 2-3x a month. Hardly a significant difference by any means.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Now the question comes in, how much does your home field play into career numbers? Yankee Stadium obviously inflates offensive statistics, how heavily do you weight that into your opinion?

 

[StanMarsh51]

Now the question comes in, how much does your home field play into career numbers? Yankee Stadium obviously inflates offensive statistics, how heavily do you weight that into your opinion?

In all fairness, the old Yankee Stadium wasn't really a hitters park overall (outside of the short porch down the RF line, the dimensions weren't really hitter friendly). For most of Bernie's career the park factors rated it as slightly a pitchers' park.

 

[Loneranger]

id take bernie over

id take bernie over edmonds if i had to pick a CFer from the 2.

just a more consistent and durable guy


the K's just stand out to me...williams K'd over 100, once (his first full year)

edmonds did that every year from 2000-2006 (averaged 136 over that span)...shit, williams did it once, edmonds 10 times.

williams has more 100 RBI seasons too (5 to 4)

and i dont hate edmonds

I don't hate Edmonds either but all that matters is this : When the 2 were playing there was not a single GM/Mgr who would take Edmonds over Bernie Williams. No way never. At the time Bernie signed his big deal with the Yanks , the Sox had a good offer on the table , Williams was in the top 3 in the game. He was at the time the best RH bat in baseball and probably only behind Griffey. Edmonds never touched that status in anyone's book.

 

[Rock Strongo]

I don't hate Edmonds either but all that matters is this : When the 2 were playing there was not a single GM/Mgr who would take Edmonds over Bernie Williams. No way never. At the time Bernie signed his big deal with the Yanks , the Sox had a good offer on the table , Williams was in the top 3 in the game. He was at the time the best RH bat in baseball and probably only behind Griffey. Edmonds never touched that status in anyone's book.

edmonds made poor defensive read, resulting in a lot of his "amazing grabs"...same knock on ellsbury. late jumps lead to dives.

he was a good hitter, great eye (high OBP) and had some power.

as a sox fan, i saw TOO much of williams. i saw a lot of edmonds too as an angel.

gimme bernie, twice.