Which side you want?

[SmokingMonkey]

16tm full PPR dyno

Mike Evans/Hunter Henry

or


AJ Brown/Irv Smith/2021 1st round pick

(just assume mid-late for the 1st round pick, I never plan on picks being early unless the team is absolute trash)

 

[SteelersPride]

Evans and hunter and it’s not really close forMe.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Well just looking at it from a ADP standpoint

Mike Evans - 21 WR8
Hunter Henry - 112 TE8

or

AJ Brown - 30 WR13
Irv Smith - 232 TE22
2021 1st round pick (mid-late pick)


It's Evans and Henry for me but that being said, IMO both Evans and Henry are too high and I think they will finish lower, maybe much lower than their ADP's/rankings.

 

[Lamarvelous]

Give me the AJB/IRV/1st side. AJB is a certified stud in an offense that's going to feature him as the WR1 for years to come. Kyle Rudolph can be cut after this year for minimal damage to the cap as far as I can tell. And a 1st round pick (especially in a 16tm league) holds a lot more value than I think some are willing to admit.

Henry is a middling TE and both Evans and Henry are the 2nd (at best) best pass-catchers on teams that are going to have QB issues in the very very near future. Not to mention Henry seeming to be kind of an injury risk.

Build for the future, here.

 

[Lamarvelous]

It also really does depend on how your team looks right now, though.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

It also really does depend on how your team looks right now, though.

3rd in pts scored last year but missed the playoffs.

I could use another RB, but so could everyone else, so no one is budging in that dept. which is why I was looking around at some young WRs that I think are on the verge of being every year top 12 guys

 

[eaglesnut]

Evans/Henry

I'm the biggest AJ Brown fan there's ever been besides his dear Momma. He was my #1 WR in the draft last year. But I don't entirely trust that Titans passing game at this point.

Evans is the best WR Brady has ever had (Moss had three down years before Brady revived him) and I think he chose Arians because Arians is going to let him get all the passing records in his reach.

TE thoughts: Irv could lose Kubiak before Evans loses Brady. Henry is in a great spot with Tyrod and then a young QB.

 

[Lamarvelous]

Evans isn't even the best WR on his own team though, and a lot of his points came from Jameis just hucking that fucker up there into coverage. Brady doesn't have Jameis' arm or Jameis' affinity for hucking that fucker up there into coverage. Godwin is gonna be the guy to own in that passing offense going forward imo, especially for the year(s) Brady is there.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Evans isn't even the best WR on his own team though, and a lot of his points came from Jameis just hucking that fucker up there into coverage. Brady doesn't have Jameis' arm or Jameis' affinity for hucking that fucker up there into coverage. Godwin is gonna be the guy to own in that passing offense going forward imo, especially for the year(s) Brady is there.

I understand it is a common belief that Godwin is going to outshine Evans... Especially with Brady's noodle arm... But until it happens, we can not claim that Evans is not the teams number one... as he always has been...

 

[Lamarvelous]

I understand it is a common belief that Godwin is going to outshine Evans... Especially with Brady's noodle arm... But until it happens, we can not claim that Evans is not the teams number one... as he always has been...

Godwin was the PPR WR2 last year hahaha.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Godwin was the PPR WR2 last year hahaha.

because Evans got hurt and missed games... Evans out scored Godwin when they were both on the field

 

[MilkSpiller22]

because Evans got hurt and missed games... Evans out scored Godwin when they were both on the field

I see im somewhat wrong... Evans had more targets, Godwin had better everything else...


But either way it was super close...

 

[Shanemansj13]

Evans isn't even the best WR on his own team though, and a lot of his points came from Jameis just hucking that fucker up there into coverage. Brady doesn't have Jameis' arm or Jameis' affinity for hucking that fucker up there into coverage. Godwin is gonna be the guy to own in that passing offense going forward imo, especially for the year(s) Brady is there.

In all fairness, we have no clue who "Brady's guy" is going to be. Godwin had 1 year of being the #1...Brady loves the veterans. His go-to guys have always been veterans. I see him spreading the love but I really don't see a huge difference as of right now and without really knowing.

Godwin 121 targets in 14 games
Evans 118 targets in 13 games

 

[Lamarvelous]

In all fairness, we have no clue who "Brady's guy" is going to be. Godwin had 1 year of being the #1...Brady loves the veterans. His go-to guys have always been veterans. I see him spreading the love but I really don't see a huge difference as of right now and without really knowing.

Godwin 121 targets in 14 games
Evans 118 targets in 13 games

Godwin 19.7 FPPG
Evans 17.9 FPPG

Brady has, at least in the later part of his career, become more reliant on shorter routes and slot-type guys. Evans is not that guy. Godwin is. Evans has benefited immensely from having a QB with the balls/lack of brains/arm talent to force the ball down the field.

Not to mention the fact that Godwin averaged almost .5 a yard more separation/target and 3 more YAC while catching 15% more of his targets than Evans.

Give me Godwin all day ahead of Evans.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

any body actually have some data or evidence to support the "Brady can't make the throws anymore" theory?

I haven't seen anything compelling to jump to that conclusion, other than Patriots not having much outside talent on their roster the last couple years.

Evans made most of his hay last year on throws under 25yds, not just deep bombs from Winston. Brady is deadly accurate still on throws under 30yds

 

[Shanemansj13]

Godwin 19.7 FPPG
Evans 17.9 FPPG

Brady has, at least in the later part of his career, become more reliant on shorter routes and slot-type guys. Evans is not that guy. Godwin is. Evans has benefited immensely from having a QB with the balls/lack of brains/arm talent to force the ball down the field.

Not to mention the fact that Godwin averaged almost .5 a yard more separation/target and 3 more YAC while catching 15% more of his targets than Evans.

Give me Godwin all day ahead of Evans.

Yeah I would take Godwin but it's still a new QB...it doesn't matter who was better last year. OBJ is better than Landry but Baker has chemistry with Landry. We don't know his guy but we do know Godwin can be the #1...like I said, not much of a track record and no track record with Brady. Nothing is set in stone that's why I'm not touching either guy unless I'm forced too.

And Brady has maybe become more reliant on the shorter routes is bc he didn't really have any deep threats in NE. Edelman thrived on those underneath routes. This is a different team with deep targets...he will do fine. You act like Evans is going to be a chump...Brady will do fine getting him his targets and thriving in this offense.

 

[TREFF]

any body actually have some data or evidence to support the "Brady can't make the throws anymore" theory?

I haven't seen anything compelling to jump to that conclusion, other than Patriots not having much outside talent on their roster the last couple years.

Evans made most of his hay last year on throws under 25yds, not just deep bombs from Winston. Brady is deadly accurate still on throws under 30yds

his completion percentage is in a current, steady, 3 year decline, his yards per attempt, yards per completion are in a steady three year decline, his QBR is in a steady four year decline. None of those mean he CANT make any particular throw, but they do mean he isnt making them like he used to.

 

[TREFF]

I'm torn on this one Monkey, mainly becuase I don't wanna see someone starting Irv Smith at TE.

LOVE LOVE LOVE AJ Brown, I have no doubts that within a year or two, hes going to be in the mix for WR #1 status, for a decade or so. I love future #1's too.

And I'm a bit down on Evans, not because I think hes going to suddenly disappear with TB12's pop gun, but hes not going to be the same guy he was with Winston not giving a rats ass and throwing it up to him regardless. I hate unknowns, especially at WR. That being said, he is still a stud, and there will be a way he and Brady connect, so hes still gonna be a valuable asset.

I guess I'd rather have AJ Brown and the pick...IF you have or can find, a suitable TE replacement (or if you already like Smith, so be it). But as I said, I'm super biased towards Brown, and ho hum at best on Evans

 

[TKOSpikes]

Give me the AJB/IRV/1st side. AJB is a certified stud in an offense that's going to feature him as the WR1 for years to come. Kyle Rudolph can be cut after this year for minimal damage to the cap as far as I can tell. And a 1st round pick (especially in a 16tm league) holds a lot more value than I think some are willing to admit.

Henry is a middling TE and both Evans and Henry are the 2nd (at best) best pass-catchers on teams that are going to have QB issues in the very very near future. Not to mention Henry seeming to be kind of an injury risk.

Build for the future, here.

No question.

Hunter Henry is ALL name. Seems like a walking medical lab. No more Rivers.

I’m not one to be big on picks, but 16 team? Seems like a great deal to grab another 1st while only “losing” with Evans to Brown.

This isn’t close. Brown and the pick. TE is crap shoot and irrelevant.

 

[TKOSpikes]

16tm full PPR dyno

Mike Evans/Hunter Henry

or


AJ Brown/Irv Smith/2021 1st round pick

(just assume mid-late for the 1st round pick, I never plan on picks being early unless the team is absolute trash)

It won’t change my opinion, but are post or pre draft? What does waiver TE look like? I’m guessing there are guys worthy of competing with Smith.