What years did the BCS get it wrong

[4down20]

I agree with you that Bama and LSU were the two best teams that year. I just question whether Bama deserved it based on their resume.

Well geez, how do you know they were the 2 best teams that year?

 

[4down20]

I believe in 2011, if undefeated #2 Alabama lost to undefeated #1 LSU in the final game before bowl game, Alabama would still get in over OKST, with a loss to .500 Iowa State.

You do realize Alabama BARELY made it in over OSU and the smallest additional factor would have tilted things in the opposite direction?

There is no way in the world Alabama would have been picked in a rematch if they had lost the last game of the year against LSU. And that would be true even if it wasn't as close as it was.

 

[iowajerms]

Well geez, how do you know they were the 2 best teams that year?

I'm not believing they were, and I am not going try to convince you either. It's just when bowl games were decided in December after that great Ohio State-Michigan game, you could say Michigan was those two were the best 2 that year.

 

[4down20]

I'm not believing they were, and I am not going try to convince you either. It's just when bowl games were decided in December after that great Ohio State-Michigan game, you could say Michigan was those two were the best 2 that year.

That was a reply for eric.

As for Ohio St and Michigan, again the difference is 100% when the games were played and there is no way around that.

 

[iowajerms]

You do realize Alabama BARELY made it in over OSU and the smallest additional factor would have tilted things in the opposite direction?

There is no way in the world Alabama would have been picked in a rematch if they had lost the last game of the year against LSU. And that would be true even if it wasn't as close as it was.

That is crap. 1-loss Alabama was in once Iowa State pulled off that upset.

 

[ericd7633]

You want to call the voters hypocrites because you are ignoring that both Texas and Oklahoma lost in 2008, that Oklahoma the loser of that game went on to win the conference. Again, you are ignoring data in order to present things as being equal when they clearly aren't, aka cherry picking.

Sure that's true. But like LSU, Oklahoma was unanimously #1 in the computers. That's what I'm basing it off of. Both times it was left up to the voters to decide who #2 was because the computers already had a unanimous #1 and in each instance they contradicted themselves. And both losses occurred in the same week so it's not like Bama or Texas had more opportunity to climb back to #2.

 

[4down20]

Sure that's true. But like LSU, Oklahoma was unanimously #1 in the computers. That's what I'm basing it off of. Both times it was left up to the voters to decide who #2 was because the computers already had a unanimous #1 and in each instance they contradicted themselves. And both losses occurred in the same week so it's not like Bama or Texas had more opportunity to climb back to #2.

So now all unanimously #1 teams in the computers are the same, and it's still only the computers that matter.

 

[ericd7633]

Well geez, how do you know they were the 2 best teams that year?

Based on a bunch of factors. Nothing to do with anybody else's opinion.

 

[4down20]

That is crap. 1-loss Alabama was in once Iowa State pulled off that upset.

BECAUSE IT WASN'T THE LAST GAME OF THE SEASON.

Holy shit.

 

[4down20]

Based on a bunch of factors. Nothing to do with anybody else's opinion.

A bunch of factors.....like a resume?

 

[ericd7633]

A bunch of factors.....like a resume?

No, Oklahoma State had the better resume. I think Bama had better personnel and more talent. And we're better based on my eye test.

 

[4down20]

No, Oklahoma State had the better resume. I think Bama had better personnel and more talent. And we're better based on my eye test.

Based on your eye test....when was that eye test done?

 

[ericd7633]

Based on your eye test....when was that eye test done?

After the Bama/LSU game I thought they were the two best teams. But what I think and who's more deserving are completely different.

 

[4down20]

After the Bama/LSU game I thought they were the two best teams. But what I think and who's more deserving are completely different.

So you felt OSU was more deserving?

Any team that loses to a team like Iowa St is not more deserving.

 

[ericd7633]

So you felt OSU was more deserving?

Any team that loses to a team like Iowa St is not more deserving.

Based on resume, yeah definitely.

And so you think Texas in 08 was more deserving than Florida was because of their loss to a team like Ole Miss then?

 

[4down20]

Based on resume, yeah definitely.

And so you think Texas in 08 was more deserving than Florida was because of their loss to a team like Ole Miss then?

Resume includes a teams strength, which is determined based on how well the team plays in the games it plays. Thinking resume = only SoS is wrong.

You aren't claiming Texas was more deserving than Florida in 08. You are claiming it should have been a rematch between Oklahoma and Texas. Even further, you are trying to claim it was the same as 2011 and it wasn't even close to being the same.

If you want to swap out Oklahoma with Texas, that's fine. If it had happened in the SEC, Texas would have been the conference champs, not Oklahoma. But saying the conditions of that year constituted a rematch based on 2011 is straight up bullshit.

You keep trying to narrow things down for the sole purpose of presenting a case that isn't consistent with the reality and proper context.

 

[ericd7633]

Resume includes a teams strength, which is determined based on how well the team plays in the games it plays. Thinking resume = only SoS is wrong.

You aren't claiming Texas was more deserving than Florida in 08. You are claiming it should have been a rematch between Oklahoma and Texas. Even further, you are trying to claim it was the same as 2011 and it wasn't even close to being the same.

If you want to swap out Oklahoma with Texas, that's fine. If it had happened in the SEC, Texas would have been the conference champs, not Oklahoma. But saying the conditions of that year constituted a rematch based on 2011 is straight up bullshit.

You keep trying to narrow things down for the sole purpose of presenting a case that isn't consistent with the reality and proper context.

Where on earth did I say SoS is the only factor in determining a resume. I think I've been pretty consistent about quality of wins both great and good as well as quality loss.

And yes I am claiming it to be Texas over Florida. Florida was the team that was picked so who else would I argue it for? Texas and OU just happen to play in the same conference.

And I've pointed out why I think there are similarities in the two situations. If anything 2008 should have made the voters shy away from a rematch in 2011 based on what happened in 2008.

 

[4down20]

Where on earth did I say SoS is the only factor in determining a resume. I think I've been pretty consistent about quality of wins both great and good as well as quality loss.

And yes I am claiming it to be Texas over Florida. Florida was the team that was picked so who else would I argue it for? Texas and OU just happen to play in the same conference.

And I've pointed out why I think there are similarities in the two situations. If anything 2008 should have made the voters shy away from a rematch in 2011 based on what happened in 2008.

So why did OU deserve it over Texas and Florida?

You have ignored the reasons 2008 and 2011 were completely different.

 

[Chicago-Bama]

Why the hell would I bring in the human voters when strictly talking about resumes? I'm talking about SOS, Great wins(top 25), good wins(top 50 wins) and quality of loss. And again, I'm not cherry picking, I said Bama's loss was slightly better. I for one don't think there is much difference in the #4 computer team and the #1 computer team but that's just me. And add to the fact Texas 2008 had better wins and a better SOS than Bama 2011 did. But since you're so hell bent on believing Bama deserving it in 2011 you must feel Texas deserved it in 2008, right?

IN 2008 Florida and Texas didn't have the same record, whereas 2011 Oklahoma State and Alabama did.

 

[Chicago-Bama]

Where on earth did I say SoS is the only factor in determining a resume. I think I've been pretty consistent about quality of wins both great and good as well as quality loss.

And yes I am claiming it to be Texas over Florida. Florida was the team that was picked so who else would I argue it for? Texas and OU just happen to play in the same conference.

And I've pointed out why I think there are similarities in the two situations. If anything 2008 should have made the voters shy away from a rematch in 2011 based on what happened in 2008.

I'm sorry this is the post I was replying to in that last post.