What is the point of replay?

[calsnowskier]

i am a huge supporter of replay. I fully believe that if the technology is there, it should be used. "Human error" should be a factor in the players, not the officiating.

But my God. That reversal in the Giants game was absolutely asinine. I know there have been other bad calls in the history of replay as well, this is just one that got my attention.

Belt was on first, Crawford at the plate. Crawford pops to CF, belt advances to 2B, then sees it is a pop up. He stands on the bag until he is sure the ball is caught, then runs back to first. As he sets off to first, he steps on the third-base side of the bag (while clearly running toward first) and they call him out of "not retouching the bag". There was clearly never any intent on advancing to third, so how could he possibly need to retouch the bag?

Calls like this almost make me think the umps want replay overturned and they use calls like this to break the argument that it is improving the game. Tin foil, I know. And I don't REALLY think that. But shut, man. That is a horrible call.

 

[Tapey]

The league has to defend their own, cant make an ump look bad

 

[calsnowskier]

The league has to defend their own, cant make an ump look bad

But in this call, specifically, it was an overturn, not a uphold.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Replay directly cost us a game in April against the Cardinals.

2 outs, bases loaded in extra innings. Looked plain as day to me on the replays that Inciarte had legged out an infield single that would have been a walkoff winner, but the initial call was out, but apparently they didn't have the same video the Braves broadcast had that clearly showed Inciarte's foot on the bag before defender's, because it was ruled there wasn't enough evidence to overturn, and that was the end of the inning, and then the Cards won shortly thereafter.

 

[romeo212000]

Leave it to MLB to fuck up replay. One thing I can't stand is how teams use replay to review a slide into a base and look for the smallest slivers of light in a fraction of a second during the slide. That's not the intent of replay or the rule. There really should be a neighborhood rule of sorts. If the guy over slides the bag or legitimately loses contact with the bag, then fine, but this crap is just stupid.

 

[broncosmitty]

There's nothing I like about replay.

 

[The Derski]

Replay is the same in all sports. The announcers diagnose and recognize the correct call in about 10 seconds while the officials stand there looking like bozos with headsets for five minutes. After the kumbaya circle breaks up they still get the call wrong a good portion of the time.

I think the people in the replay center just simply over-analyze the play most the time they get it wrong.

 

[calsnowskier]

Leave it to MLB to fuck up replay. One thing I can't stand is how teams use replay to review a slide into a base and look for the smallest slivers of light in a fraction of a second during the slide. That's not the intent of replay or the rule. There really should be a neighborhood rule of sorts. If the guy over slides the bag or legitimately loses contact with the bag, then fine, but this crap is just stupid.

Those 2nd base tag plays were supposed to removed from replay, but it never happened in practice. Replay should be relatively simple and straight forward. I have no idea how they are screwing this up as much as they are.

 

[Omar 382]

I am all for advancement of the game (I may be the most "progressive" baseball fan on this website), but replays just bore the fuck out of me for some reason. And I miss the Bobby Cox's and the Lou Pinellia's of the world losing their shit over blown calls.

The human element is part of what makes the game fun, IMO.

 

[Chewbaccer]

I am all for advancement of the game (I may be the most "progressive" baseball fan on this website), but replays just bore the fuck out of me for some reason. And I miss the Bobby Cox's and the Lou Pinellia's of the world losing their shit over blown calls.

The human element is part of what makes the game fun, IMO.

You get used to Bobby Cox and then you get some soft spoken pacifist like Fredi Gonzalez and it's a big shell shock. Fredi last a couple seasons longer than he should have, but as much as I like Snitker, I still find myself getting frustrated with how he never gets thrown out, even when the situation warrants it.

When strike 3 was called a ball in the 9th inning the other night when Folty had a no hitter going, Snitker should have been gone and the umpire should have took a cussing when the non no and the shutout ended a couple pitches later.

 

[richig07]

Replay directly cost us a game in April against the Cardinals.

2 outs, bases loaded in extra innings. Looked plain as day to me on the replays that Inciarte had legged out an infield single that would have been a walkoff winner, but the initial call was out, but apparently they didn't have the same video the Braves broadcast had that clearly showed Inciarte's foot on the bag before defender's, because it was ruled there wasn't enough evidence to overturn, and that was the end of the inning, and then the Cards won shortly thereafter.

They have all of the angles that any broadcast team does. If Inciarte was called out, it becomes harder due to the fact you need an overturn. It was probably one of those where it would have also been upheld if he was ruled safe, or out. Since they didn't have conclusive evidence.

 

[Chewbaccer]

They have all of the angles that any broadcast team does. If Inciarte was called out, it becomes harder due to the fact you need an overturn. It was probably one of those where it would have also been upheld if he was ruled safe, or out. Since they didn't have conclusive evidence.

Bang bang for sure, but Inciarte sure looked safe in real time, and he damn sure looked safe in slow motion. They got it wrong twice.

 

[richig07]

I am all for advancement of the game (I may be the most "progressive" baseball fan on this website), but replays just bore the fuck out of me for some reason. And I miss the Bobby Cox's and the Lou Pinellia's of the world losing their shit over blown calls.

The human element is part of what makes the game fun, IMO.

I am pro-replay, but I've seen multiple instances where the umps had the headset on for 5+ minutes.

Today in the White Sox/Rangers game, I counted a six minute one. At that point, come on... I don't think that's why we brought it into the equation. We want missed calls to be corrected... we don't want you taking 6 minutes going frame-by-frame with a zoom-in and slow motion, 15 times to tell whether or not the ump missed something by an eye-lash.

It was a review over obstruction on a double play ball too. Which is basically a judgement call by the ump, I feel like. Now they've got guys in New York debating the definition, and whether it applied to what Shin Soo-Choo did when he slid. Ridiculous.

If you can't see a call was wrong after 2 minutes, please... just play-on. Replay should be to rectify true "blown calls".

 

[richig07]

Bang bang for sure, but Inciarte sure looked safe in real time, and he damn sure looked safe in slow motion. They got it wrong twice.

Fair enough. I just know I've thought the same thing about White Sox plays during a game, and then a while later when the attachment I have to the team was out of the equation. I saw the call through a less-biased lens, and realized why it didn't go our way.

You could totally be right though, I never saw the play.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Fair enough. I just know I've thought the same thing about White Sox plays during a game, and then a while later when the attachment I have to the team was out of the equation. I saw the call through a less-biased lens, and realized why it didn't go our way.

You could totally be right though, I never saw the play.

Eh, it's water under the bridge now I guess. We were struggling as a team at that time and we've made a pretty big turn around since then. But we would have a winning record right now if they had gotten the call right.

 

[richig07]

Those 2nd base tag plays were supposed to removed from replay, but it never happened in practice. Replay should be relatively simple and straight forward. I have no idea how they are screwing this up as much as they are.

But they're not screwing it up much... at all. You just only hear about it when they do. There's a replay in about every single MLB game now. I can count out probably less than 10 that I've really heard had been flubbed. You're never going to hear; "Hey, there was a replay in Boston today. They got the call right, everyone was happy and they played on with the assurance that instant replay was aiding the game of baseball!"... It's just not a story when a call is gotten right. They probably get less than 1 out of 100 wrong. Which is fine. It's certainly a better percentage than before, when there was zero recourse for a blown call.

 

[calsnowskier]

I am pro-replay, but I've seen multiple instances where the umps had the headset on for 5+ minutes.

Today in the White Sox/Rangers game, I counted a six minute one. At that point, come on... I don't think that's why we brought it into the equation. We want missed calls to be corrected... we don't want you taking 6 minutes going frame-by-frame with a zoom-in and slow motion, 15 times to tell whether or not the ump missed something by an eye-lash.

It was a review over obstruction on a double play ball too. Which is basically a judgement call by the ump, I feel like. Now they've got guys in New York debating the definition, and whether it applied to what Shin Soo-Choo did when he slid. Ridiculous.

If you can't see a call was wrong after 2 minutes, please... just play-on. Replay should be to rectify true "blown calls".

Isn't there a rule now that they cant take more than 2 minutes? Another rule they made to speed up games that they are ignoring.

 

[redseat]

i am a huge supporter of replay. I fully believe that if the technology is there, it should be used. "Human error" should be a factor in the players, not the officiating.

But my God. That reversal in the Giants game was absolutely asinine. I know there have been other bad calls in the history of replay as well, this is just one that got my attention.

Belt was on first, Crawford at the plate. Crawford pops to CF, belt advances to 2B, then sees it is a pop up. He stands on the bag until he is sure the ball is caught, then runs back to first. As he sets off to first, he steps on the third-base side of the bag (while clearly running toward first) and they call him out of "not retouching the bag". There was clearly never any intent on advancing to third, so how could he possibly need to retouch the bag?

Calls like this almost make me think the umps want replay overturned and they use calls like this to break the argument that it is improving the game. Tin foil, I know. And I don't REALLY think that. But shut, man. That is a horrible call.

and that is where the rule is fing ridiculous.... He retouched the bag, simple as that... Shouldn't matter where on said bag it was touched.

 

[Davis_Mike]

I am a proponent of replay, but I can't stand these challenges & outs based on technicalities.