Well, what a game huh?

[flamingrey]

I'd take Dalton over Carson in an instant, and so would 95% of all sane people. Carson can throw it a mile, but that's pretty much it. He can't recognize coverages, still throws into traffic far too often, but racks up some nice garbage-time stats.

In the first two quarters of games this year (or when the Raiders are actually still in games), Carson has 8 TDs and 8 INTs. In the 3rd and 4th quarters (or when the Raiders have been out of it already), Carson has 14 TDs and 6 INTs.

If it's garbage time stats you want, then Carson definitely is your man.

What a bunch of garbage statistics. How did Carson fair in "garbage time" against the Bengals? When the Bengals were up multiple scores, the Raiders still had the same problems moving the ball.

If it were so easy to accumulate "garbage time" statistics, why don't the likes of Gabbert, Locker, Henne, Weeden, Tannehill, etc put up better stats? Furthermore, when you get within 30-40 yards of the endzone, there is no longer a "prevent defense". 70 yards away you're preventing anyone from getting behind you leaving more open space in front. When they're getting in scoring territory, you defend as you normally do. Common sense.

Dalton is 1-234 against good teams. But hey, he looks great in the huddle and can rack up the stats against crappy defenses. We're lucky to have him.

 

[flamingrey]

Given that Carson left the Bengals high and dry after 2010, I am happy to have Dalton. I don't think it's fair to compare them because they are different types of player. Carson has always been high risk/ high reward, a guy who can make the big throw but also the big mistake. Dalton is more the game manager type. You can win with the game manager type, but don't think for a minute we're going to beat the Steelers if Dalton's performance is similar to the Eagles game, or even any of the last three performances. The Steelers will eat him alive if he doesn't play better. I'm really concerned after the Eagles game that maybe it's too big for him. He looked scared out there to me. There was pressure (and I'm not talking about the pass rush, but the pressure of the team situation) and Dalton failed to step up. The Eagles were a bad enough team that he got away with it, but he won't be so fortunate vs the Steelers.

You pretty much nailed it.

Carson makes more mistakes, but can make every single throw on the field. Dalton makes less mistakes, but he'll take a sack before attempting a throw he isn't comfortable making. When he can hit those tougher throws with more comfort and consistency, I'll glad say he's better than Carson.

I just won't look at the stat sheet and elevate a QB's status because he puts up gaudy stats or has a bunch of wins, but can't make a lot of throws. Otherwise, guys like Smith and Flacco would be in the tops of many lists.

 

[flamingrey]

Dalton > Carson

And a good QB on a team with a crappy O-line can succeed if he can play at a high enough level. Look at Andrew Luck in Indy. Worst team in the league last year. Still have a crappy O-line. Carson just isnt good enough to be that kind of difference maker. Neither is Dalton.

Although overall I'm happy w Dalton, TH was a bummer. That was a do-or-die game, and you'd like to see your QB step up in those situations and play their best ball. Dalton played his worst. We'll see how he responds in Pitt, but for this team to go anywhere he needs to nut up in big situations and play with confidence and resolve. Was not at all impressed from what I saw from him on TH. In fact it was disconcerting. And I'm a Dalton fan.

Agreed. And it's been years since I've argued Carson is in that league. He hasn't been since his elbow injury.

 

[vancelot23]

Dalton is still a better QB at this point than Palmer. If we had the option of trading back, even, I wouldn't even consider it.

 

[flamingrey]

I wouldn't either from the standpoint that Carson is what 34?

I would though from the standpoint that Dalton is a game manager at this point and hasn't shown he will be anymore than that, and at least we wouldn't be stuck with Carson for a decade like we will be with Dalton.

 

[vancelot23]

Nothing to do with age. As their play stands right now, I'd take Dalton.

 

[flamingrey]

Yeah, okay. And I wouldn't.

 

[DanBengalfan]

I still look at it the same way. Carson has peaked, he may make a "Rich Gannon" comeback, but not with the Raiders the way they are. Dalton shouldn't have peaked yet, but at least he's not named Flacco.