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[CrashDavisSports]

Why are you so angry?

You've only been here a week and you're already letting people get under your skin - let alone the fact that his is an internet message board.

I think you'd fit in better at Cincinnati Bengals Message Boards - Forums - Powered by vBulletin. Then you can just agree to agree on everything with all the other Bengals homers.

Oh, and feel free to point out where I'm speaking in "absolutes". I give my opinion. I can just add you to the list of people that can't handle it.

You are a wanna be homer and scared what other fans might think from other teams. One day you will let you inhibitions go, and join us as true fans of the Cincinnati Bengals.

We understand, you are scared, it is quite obvious. We will not hold that against you.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Watch from 0:11-0:13.

Robinson initially pushes the tackle away from Dalton, but then suddenly let's him go while pushing him down, and then immediately takes off to block any impeding LB or DB. It was a designed QB sneak all the way. The pump fake was to freeze the FS (#41).

In fact, either Dalton was late on taking off for the TD or Robinson was too quick releasing the tackle as evidenced by the tackle almost getting Dalton by the shoe strings. Given Dalton's pretty fluid motion with the pump fake and then take-off, I'd bet on the latter. Great play call executed well enough to get the TD.

Funny how you always think you are right, but.....

He scored the winning touchdown on a six-yard scramble up the middle on second down.

"We called a screen and I couldn't find anybody open," Dalton said. "I saw an alley and just took it."

Lewis noticed.

"Andy doesn't flinch," Lewis said. "He's pretty calm, he's pretty cool."

 

[bengaldoug]

Funny how you always think you are right, but.....

He scored the winning touchdown on a six-yard scramble up the middle on second down.

"We called a screen and I couldn't find anybody open," Dalton said. "I saw an alley and just took it."

Lewis noticed.

"Andy doesn't flinch," Lewis said. "He's pretty calm, he's pretty cool."

Oops...........................

 

[flamingrey]

Funny how you always think you are right, but.....

He scored the winning touchdown on a six-yard scramble up the middle on second down.

"We called a screen and I couldn't find anybody open," Dalton said. "I saw an alley and just took it."

Lewis noticed.

"Andy doesn't flinch," Lewis said. "He's pretty calm, he's pretty cool."

I've seen worse. For one, they have an image they want to sell. But more importantly, you don't just give away or admit to designed plays. If it's a play that just happened in the making in another play, it's less likely to be practiced against. If you admit it was a designed play, now you're admitting for future games that it might be something you call and teams will make sure to be on the lookout. It's been a while since we've done a fake punt, and that's because the Bengals know teams are looking and ready for it.

I'm not sure how anyone can dissect that play and not come to the conclusion it was a designed QB sneak. Nonetheless, since you're a homer and obviously think otherwise just because Marvin said so, then what do you think Robinson was doing on that play? Why did he allow the tackle by, push him to the ground, and then proceed to block down the field with the tackle right at his QB's feet?

 

[flamingrey]

Oops...........................

What do you think Robinson was doing on that play? Why did he allow the tackle by, push him to the ground, and then proceed to block down the field with the tackle right at his QB's feet?

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I've seen worse. For one, they have an image they want to sell. But more importantly, you don't just give away or admit to designed plays. If it's a play that just happened in the making in another play, it's less likely to be practiced against. If you admit it was a designed play, now you're admitting for future games that it might be something you call and teams will make sure to be on the lookout. It's been a while since we've done a fake punt, and that's because the Bengals know teams are looking and ready for it.

I'm not sure how anyone can dissect that play and not come to the conclusion it was a designed QB sneak. Nonetheless, since you're a homer and obviously think otherwise just because Marvin said so, then what do you think Robinson was doing on that play? Why did he allow the tackle by, push him to the ground, and then proceed to block down the field with the tackle right at his QB's feet?

1) Marvin didn't say, that was from the mouth of Andy Dalton.

2) You are such an arrogant asshole you can't even admit you are wrong with an actual FACT straight from the QB's mouth.

Get over yourself, you will make more friends if you are not always a combative asshole.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

What do you think Robinson was doing on that play? Why did he allow the tackle by, push him to the ground, and then proceed to block down the field with the tackle right at his QB's feet?

Because he didn't want to get called for holding maybe and F up the whole play? I don't know.

He is a rookie C with a lot of stress not to F up. He chose to let Ingram by and hope Andy got rid of it already since it was a screen, rather than get called for holding.

But since you are seeing the play unfold on TV and saw a rookie center F up, you prefer to defend the rookie C who made a mistake rather than take DALTON'S WORD FOR IT, that it was a designed screen that was not open.

Keep backpedaling , keep backpedaling little boy.

 

[bengaldoug]

What do you think Robinson was doing on that play? Why did he allow the tackle by, push him to the ground, and then proceed to block down the field with the tackle right at his QB's feet?

Can you never admit you are wrong? Dalton said it was a called screen, which was well defended. Why don't you believe him? Your arrogance is beyond belief.

 

[flamingrey]

1) Marvin didn't say, that was from the mouth of Andy Dalton.

2) You are such an arrogant asshole you can't even admit you are wrong with an actual FACT straight from the QB's mouth.

Get over yourself, you will make more friends if you are not always a combative asshole.

Marvin's comments insinuated the same thing Dalton said. Reading is fundamental.

Watch at 0:12. The tackle did not get passed Robinson on his own. You can see Robinson shove him passed himself and then down. Clear as day for anyone that wants to see it.

Now rewind to the 0:01 mark and as the ball is snapped, watch Boling. Initially he starts off with helping Robinson for just a split second but then heads out ready to take on the LB in semi-coverage. Having no direct assignment, in pass protection, you'd expect he'd continue with the help for Boling. Furthermore, as Boling engages the LB, he has hid head turned the entire way watching Dalton's progress. Now, the only way he knows Dalton is running is if it's a designed play or if he has eyes in the back of his head.

Lastly, why are there no receivers running across the middle of the endzone? You think by design in a pass play they left half of the endzone unoccupied and instead decided to overcrowd all the areas the receivers are running?

You're a ridiculous homer.

 

[flamingrey]

Can you never admit you are wrong? Dalton said it was a called screen, which was well defended. Why don't you believe him? Your arrogance is beyond belief.

Watch the play. Dissect the play.

I could buy that an out to Hawkins was option 1a (even though watching the play unfold and the routes of the receivers, particularly Hawkins, it's pretty clear it's at most a semi-screen, semi-out route with only Green getting in position to block his receiver), but to deny worst case a QB sneak isn't option 1b if 1a doesn't unfold perfectly is pretty incredulous.

 

[cincygrad]

It looked to me that it 'could have' been intended to be a fake to one side and perhaps a backside screen to Brian Leonard. However, Dalton never really looks at Leonard before taking off so maybe he improvised long before the play was supposed to develop.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Watch the play. Dissect the play.

I could buy that an out to Hawkins was option 1a (even though watching the play unfold and the routes of the receivers, particularly Hawkins, it's pretty clear it's at most a semi-screen, semi-out route with only Green getting in position to block his receiver), but to deny worst case a QB sneak isn't option 1b if 1a doesn't unfold perfectly is pretty incredulous.

At that point of the field, everyone is releasing to help block for the screen. The WR's are loaded on one side and positioned to block and create confusion on that side to allow Hawkins to sneak inbetween blocks. You want to get to the second level and block out in front of the screen. Which makes me believe EVEN MORE that the play was a designed screen, not a damn QB Draw.

1b is always for the QB to scramble in that situation because if the screen is covered, there are no secondary WR's because they are all fucking blocking.

How fucking hard is that to understand?

Backpedal, backpedal. Go ahead. You are in protect mode and the more you talk, the more of an idiot you look like. Just the way it is. Keep talking, you are getting to be quite amusing.

 

[cincygrad]

I think we should all make a trip to the Dayton Mall. We can knock out some Christmas shopping and then do a little fighting. Who's in?

 

[bengaldoug]

It looked to me that it 'could have' been intended to be a fake to one side and perhaps a backside screen to Brian Leonard. However, Dalton never really looks at Leonard before taking off so maybe he improvised long before the play was supposed to develop.

The linemen on Leonard's side obviously were trying to let the rush in to set up the screen. The Chargers declined, and covered the screen. Dalton saw that peripherally and improvised. It's easy for everyone to see imho.

 

[bengaldoug]

I think we should all make a trip to the Dayton Mall. We can knock out some Christmas shopping and then do a little fighting. Who's in?

I'm only about a half hour away, but he's just not worth the trouble. The man would look outside at the moon and call it the sun, just to be disagreeable. Then he'd come up with a convoluted argument to try and "prove" his claim.

 

[flamingrey]

It's funny, they say I'm the one that is trying to convince myself of something that isn't there, yet most of their arguments are predicated on spewing ad hominems at the end likely to convince themselves they're right because their arguments don't hold weight otherwise.

And then they call me angry.

Don't let it get under your skin, guys.

 

[flamingrey]

It looked to me that it 'could have' been intended to be a fake to one side and perhaps a backside screen to Brian Leonard. However, Dalton never really looks at Leonard before taking off so maybe he improvised long before the play was supposed to develop.

Exactly. And if you watch the play, Leonard is open with some space (though it wouldn't have been better than 50/50 that he's gets in the endzone imo), but Dalton doesn't even glance that way. Instead he takes off.

While I initially thought there was an allusion to a screen on the right side to Hawkins, the screen possibility is absolutely there on the left side. However, given Dalton's first inclination right after the pump fake to run without a glance to the left, it was probably a design sneak with Leonard waiting for the screen had there not been space in front of Dalton to run (i.e. if Robinson wasn't able to free up the middle or if a LB/DB stayed in a zone covering the middle of the endzone).

Great play design in any case.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I cannot fathom how flaming isn't banned yet. Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[cincygrad]

Exactly. And if you watch the play, Leonard is open with some space (though it wouldn't have been better than 50/50 that he's gets in the endzone imo), but Dalton doesn't even glance that way. Instead he takes off.

While I initially thought there was an allusion to a screen on the right side to Hawkins, the screen possibility is absolutely there on the left side. However, given Dalton's first inclination right after the pump fake to run without a glance to the left, it was probably a design sneak with Leonard waiting for the screen had there not been space in front of Dalton to run (i.e. if Robinson wasn't able to free up the middle or if a LB/DB stayed in a zone covering the middle of the endzone).

Great play design in any case.

I'd argue that it's equally possible that Dalton saw a huge hole in the middle of the field and stopped the execution of the back-side screen. Was he coached to do that? Possibly. One never knows.... But, it's still a strong possibility that the play was designed as a screen pass - At least it looks like it to me.

Then again, what the hell do I know?

 

[flamingrey]

I'd argue that it's equally possible that Dalton saw a huge hole in the middle of the field and stopped the execution of the back-side screen. Was he coached to do that? Possibly. One never knows.... But, it's still a strong possibility that the play was designed as a screen pass - At least it looks like it to me.

Then again, what the hell do I know?

Personally, I'd feel that a QB would at the very least look at his "first" option prior to running up the middle of a defense, so I'm kind of skeptical on that considering Dalton didn't even glance to left. However, your scenario is certainly possibly. In any case, the play was well set up for either one, by design or not.

And imagine that, someone actually watches the tape instead of harping on player/coach-speak, comes with a decent argument/ideas without all the ad hominems, and we can more or less mutually accept either case. Of course the homers probably still won't acknowledge any scenario other than the one that exalts Dalton.