trades... cause I'm bored

[dspice07]

Exactly. As bad as our division is to this point, the second and third guaranteed playoff spots are there for the taking and will be for awhile. That's not even considering a potential available wild card spot (or two, technically).

Have any of you heard some quotes from Yakupov on his recent benching?



This is clearly a guy we do not want on our team, no matter how cheap he may or may not come.

At this point, I wouldn't even consider trading G, Voracek, Lecavalier, Simmonds. Schenn, Read or Couturier. Every other forward is fair game. I still have a lot of faith that this team is going to be good by the end of the season, one way or another.

I want nothing to do with this Russian bozo.

 

[awaz]

I want nothing to do with any Russian bozo.

FIFY

russians are too risky these days.

 

[Maverick426h]

I would trade for Vanek even if it had to be Couterier. We need people that score goals, and he scores goals. Plus he's not a f'n center, he's a true left wing, holy shit. Couterier's ceiling is limited on this team, no better than a 3rd center. We have someone that can play that right now, Laughton.

Vanek is the right age and he is a sniper without question, but his cap hit is humongous. Quite frankly, unless he starts potting 40 goals and a point per game again, I think he's overpaid. That said, he probably would get back to form with G feeding him the puck. This is not a sure thing though and it would still have to be a sign and trade deal as there's otherwise no guarantee that we would be able to keep Vanek past this season.

Couturier is 20 and Laughton is 19. Do we really know what we have with both of them already? Who would take the second center spot once Lecavalier retires? If we keep him, Couturier is that guy. It's definitely a little soon to say that his ceiling is limited to a third liner. And Laughton is busy tearing up the OHL, not playing third line center for us.

 

[awaz]

honestly i dont even want to trade anybody right now.. i really do believe in the talent on this roster.. i think it was stupid of them to not fill that 3rd line winger role with raffl, mcginn, or vandevelde because there's absolutely no reason to have rosehill or newburry in the game. they're not legitimate hockey players. plus you have hall who has been mostly worthless this season. talbot i'm good w/ on the 4th line, not the 3rd.

top 6-8 though, i'm good with this roster. they just need to play better.

 

[wbon22]

The only move I would make would be Mez for something to clear some cap space. The problem is that everyone knows that the Flyers want to move him and that they are not willing to make a deal where the Flyers don't have to eat some of the cap space. Personally if I could get a conditional 3-5 for him based on resigning/playing time remainder of the season, I would take it and run.

I don't rush to move anyone else. I agree with awaz to run with McGinn and Raffle. I think Talbot is capable of moving up and down lines based on spot needs but is best suited as a 4th line PK specialist. Hall has not hurt the team on ice (besides having stone hands). Newburry and Rosehill are waste of cap space.

 

[JBM73]

HockeyBuzz.com - Eklund - Flyers, Caps, Habs and Bruins with Interest in Yakupov. Oilers want a ton

 

[awaz]

Y! SPORTS

panotch making national news

 

[Maverick426h]

HockeyBuzz.com - Eklund - Flyers, Caps, Habs and Bruins with Interest in Yakupov. Oilers want a ton

I hear it, but if that Yakupov quote that I posted is at all accurate, I want no part in this kid. He has the wrong attitude and mentality to play in Philly.

Yes, we're struggling offensively right this minute, but I don't think we lack the ability to score often enough as a team, especially with the additions of Streit and Lecavalier. Even just last season without them we were tied for 9th in goals and that's with only 14 goals combined from Hartnell and Briere, two of our greatest scoring threats.

Once this power play gets sorted out and guys like Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Read and Hartnell upon his return get it going, the goals will come. This just all needs to happen before we dig too deep of a hole. It's still too early for Homer to get impatient and make a trade just to shake things up. If it's a trade that truly makes us better, so be it.

 

[JBM73]

I hear it, but if that Yakupov quote that I posted is at all accurate, I want no part in this kid. He has the wrong attitude and mentality to play in Philly.

Yes, we're struggling offensively right this minute, but I don't think we lack the ability to score often enough as a team, especially with the additions of Streit and Lecavalier. Even just last season without them we were tied for 9th in goals and that's with only 14 goals combined from Hartnell and Briere, two of our greatest scoring threats.

Once this power play gets sorted out and guys like Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Read and Hartnell upon his return get it going, the goals will come. This just all needs to happen before we dig too deep of a hole. It's still too early for Homer to get impatient and make a trade just to shake things up. If it's a trade that truly makes us better, so be it.

Pfffft. Logic. How dare you use it as the basis for your opinion. Logic has no place where Holmgren is concerned.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Flyers need to trade Braydon Coburn/Andrej Meszaros/Nicklas Grossmann - all three of them, they are slow, they take penalties and their salaries are ridiculous - remember when the Flyers played well in the last month of last season? The young kids like Oliver Lauridsen, Brandon Manning and Erik Gustafsson were playing in that month and they beat some really good teams(basically everyone they beat in the last month were playoff teams) - those young d-men are mobile, can move the puck, smart yet physical and they don't make much $ - this team desperately needs a sniper for Claude Giroux

 

[awaz]

Flyers need to trade Braydon Coburn/Andrej Meszaros/Nicklas Grossmann - all three of them, they are slow, they take penalties and their salaries are ridiculous - remember when the Flyers played well in the last month of last season? The young kids like Oliver Lauridsen, Brandon Manning and Erik Gustafsson were playing in that month and they beat some really good teams(basically everyone they beat in the last month were playoff teams) - those young d-men are mobile, can move the puck, smart yet physical and they don't make much $ - this team desperately needs a sniper for Claude Giroux

not disareeing completely.. but coburn isn't slow.. he might be lazy and look slow, but he can fly when he wants to..

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

I would keep Coburn but get rid of Meszaros & Grossman, for sure get rid of Meszaros.

 

[Cobiemonster]

not disareeing completely.. but coburn isn't slow.. he might be lazy and look slow, but he can fly when he wants to..

Braydon Coburn has regressed each year since his first full season with the Flyers - I'm not necessarily expecting him to be an offensive guy but he's gotten so bad the last couple of seasons - and the fact that you say he can fly when he wants to tells me that he hasn't done that a lot and he has motivational issues - he's inconsistent and they need to find a trade partner for him

 

[awaz]

Braydon Coburn has regressed each year since his first full season with the Flyers - I'm not necessarily expecting him to be an offensive guy but he's gotten so bad the last couple of seasons - and the fact that you say he can fly when he wants to tells me that he hasn't done that a lot and he has motivational issues - he's inconsistent and they need to find a trade partner for him

only if they find value for him.. the flyers need capable dmen.. you say they looked great with manning, lauridsen, gus, etc.. that was approximately 10 games, and mason was also playing very well during that stretch too.. coburn might not be a world beater, but he's not a terrible player.. i agree he seems to have motivational issues, but the flyers don't have the luxury of being able to get rid of dmen because they have motivational issues. dmen who are under 30, can play 25 minutes a night, and don't make 7 mil + are extremely hard to find right now and when you do find them, they're worth a ton.. selling low should not even be considered IMO

look at the matt carle situation from a couple years ago.. everyone hated him.. he was awful.. bla bla bla.. the flyers got rid of him and their d got worse.

 

[Cobiemonster]

only if they find value for him.. the flyers need capable dmen.. you say they looked great with manning, lauridsen, gus, etc.. that was approximately 10 games, and mason was also playing very well during that stretch too.. coburn might not be a world beater, but he's not a terrible player.. i agree he seems to have motivational issues, but the flyers don't have the luxury of being able to get rid of dmen because they have motivational issues. dmen who are under 30, can play 25 minutes a night, and don't make 7 mil + are extremely hard to find right now and when you do find them, they're worth a ton.. selling low should not even be considered IMO

look at the matt carle situation from a couple years ago.. everyone hated him.. he was awful.. bla bla bla.. the flyers got rid of him and their d got worse.

The Flyers don't have capable d-men right now, you have to give those young guys more of a chance - it's easy to say they only played 10 games but imho they showed much more in those 10 games than these guys have in the last year or so

Flyers are already a god awful team as it is, it's not like they're going to be any worse without those veteran d-men

Matt Carle is a different situation imo because he was actually pretty good - he was near the top in the NHL in even strength points for d-men - those guys(Coby, Gross, Mesz) have done nothing offensively and they're just as bad defensively - if they had got rid of those guys when they needed to and kept Matt Carle, they wouldn't have had to overpay for Mark Streit

 

[dspice07]

Y! SPORTS

panotch making national news

ha exact decription of pannacio, a hack that acts like he knows everything and in fact doesn't know shit. just says something he thinks is smart.

 

[raptorlife4]

I say bring the kids up
If we are going to be shit lets develop them and see what we have

 

[awaz]

The Flyers don't have capable d-men right now, you have to give those young guys more of a chance - it's easy to say they only played 10 games but imho they showed much more in those 10 games than these guys have in the last year or so

Flyers are already a god awful team as it is, it's not like they're going to be any worse without those veteran d-men

Matt Carle is a different situation imo because he was actually pretty good - he was near the top in the NHL in even strength points for d-men - those guys(Coby, Gross, Mesz) have done nothing offensively and they're just as bad defensively - if they had got rid of those guys when they needed to and kept Matt Carle, they wouldn't have had to overpay for Mark Streit

if the flyers had young guns in the system that actually projected to be high quality NHL-ers, 'bring up the kids' might be a sound strategy.. but lauridsen, manning, and gus are bottom pair guys, they're not going to make a big difference. i hope they can make an impact on the NHL roster some day, but they're not going to come in and play top 4 minutes (a la coburn/grossmann) and do it successfully.. they're just not.. people are expecting way too much of these guys. if they were so good, wouldn't the phantoms be at least competitive? they've been one of the worst AHL teams the past 3-4 years. if these guys could hack it in the NHL, they'd be demolishing the AHL.

 

[Maverick426h]

I say bring the kids up
If we are going to be shit lets develop them and see what we have

It's way too early for this and I don't think they'd ever do it anyway.

 

[Cobiemonster]

if the flyers had young guns in the system that actually projected to be high quality NHL-ers, 'bring up the kids' might be a sound strategy.. but lauridsen, manning, and gus are bottom pair guys, they're not going to make a big difference. i hope they can make an impact on the NHL roster some day, but they're not going to come in and play top 4 minutes (a la coburn/grossmann) and do it successfully.. they're just not.. people are expecting way too much of these guys. if they were so good, wouldn't the phantoms be at least competitive? they've been one of the worst AHL teams the past 3-4 years. if these guys could hack it in the NHL, they'd be demolishing the AHL.

I wouldn't say Braydon Coburn and Nicklas Grossmann do it successfully - I think Erik Gustafsson can be a bona-fide top 4 d-man, he should be up with the Flyers permanently

The problem with the Phantoms is their goaltending has been shaky and they haven't had many stud forwards who could score a ton - also, some players play better in the NHL than the AHL