POLL Top 10 poll #22: #22 player in history - Runoff

[calsnowskier]

Runoff for the #22 player in baseball history. Poll closes Friday AM.

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[Used 2 B Hu]

Let's go with Young this time, he's the greatest pitcher never to have won a Cy Young award

 

[calsnowskier]

Very “old-timey” runoff. And pitcher-heavy.

 

[calsnowskier]

Let's go with Young this time, he's the greatest pitcher never to have won a Cy Young award

And yet, people still called him Cy Young.

 

[calsnowskier]

While I think this SHOULD go to Lefty or XX, I won’t be overly irritated with any of these guys taking this spot.


Lefty
Foxx
Young
Mathewson

 

[calsnowskier]

Lefty Grove 1925 - 1941

1 MVP, 1 top 5 MVP, 2 top 10 MVP, 5 more season w MVP votes (no Cy Young Awards were given during his career)

Bold: ERA 9, K 6, WHIP 5, IP 0, K/BB 8

300-141 W-L
2266/1187 K/BB
457/298 GS/CG
3940.2 IP

Cy Young 1890 - 1911

CY every day of his life (no accolades given during his career)

Bold: ERA 2, K 2, WHIP 7, IP 2, K/BB 11; All Time; Wins 511, GS 815, CG 749, IP 7356.0

511-315 W-L
2803/1217 K/BB
815/749 GS/CG
7356.0 IP

Christy Mathewson 1900 - 1916

2 top 5 MVP, 2 more season w MVP votes (MVP only awarded 4 years during his career)

Bold: ERA 5, K 5, WHIP 4, IP 1, K/BB 9

373-188 W-L
2507/848 K/BB
552/435 GS/CG
4788.2 IP

 

[calsnowskier]

Jimmie Foxx (1B) 1925 - 1942

3 MVP, 1 top 5 MVP, 3 top 10 MVP, 4 additional seasons with MVP votes, 9 ASG (ASG started in his age 25 season - he already had 4 MVP vote seasons at that time)

92.2, 58.1

Bold: R 1, HR 4, RBI 3, BB 2, OPS 5, TB 3

OPS+ buckets

200 - 2
180 - 4
160 - 2
140 - 4
120 - 2

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

CG 749,

This is the stat that always boggled my mind about Young

 

[calsnowskier]

This is the stat that always boggled my mind about Young

Even ridiculous when looking at his era-mates.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

lefty vs Foxx...

this is actually pretty fun one since they actually played against eachother... both started their careers in 1925...

166	Jimmie Foxx	R	28	26	10	4	0	1	4	2	6	.385	.429	.654	1.082	0	0	1	0	2

 

[calsnowskier]

lefty vs Foxx...

this is actually pretty fun one since they actually played against eachother... both started their careers in 1925... unfortunately i am not a member of stathead, so i cant find the actual numbers...

H2H would be interesting, but really shouldn’t have anything to do with this debate.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

H2H would be interesting, but really shouldn’t have anything to do with this debate.

why not... it is impossible to compare a hitter to a pitcher... so why not base it on actual stats... sort of call it a tie breaker...

 

[calsnowskier]

Actually, they were teammates for almost their entire careers.

 

[calsnowskier]

why not... it is impossible to compare a hitter to a pitcher... so why not base it on actual stats... sort of call it a tie breaker...

Because this is not a runoff of these players against each other, it a runoff of these individual players against the field.

 

[eaglesnut]

Grandpa loved Jimmie Foxx

We're into the old legends portion. Guys that were in the books we read as kids.

What Mathewson did in the world series was insane. And I loved Cole Hamels for his WS performance.

 

[calsnowskier]

‘25 - ‘33 = A’s
‘36 - ‘41 = Red Sox

 

[eaglesnut]

The greatest World Series of all time.
Mathewson’s Series totals: 27 IP, 13 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 18 SO, 1 HBP, 0.77 WHIP

Lead the league in K's 5 times. K/BB 7 times.

One of the first 5 voted into the Hall.

Almost his turn

 

[calsnowskier]

Grandpa loved Jimmie Foxx

We're into the old legends portion. Guys that were in the books we read as kids.

What Mathewson did in the world series was insane. And I loved Cole Hamels for his WS performance.

Picking nits deciding between these 4

 

[calsnowskier]

Lefty led the league in ERA 9 times.

Young was the greatest inning eater and “winner” of all time.

Mathewson was the first great pitcher in the league’s history and still the greatest post season pitcher ever.

 

[calsnowskier]

Early, but as much love as the pitchers are getting in the comments, this is starting to look like a runaway win for Foxx.