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Tony Stewart Apparently Hits Walking Driver With Sprint Car

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What's funny here is your quote actually agrees with what pitman said to begin with that you argued with so you are all over the map on this one. Pitman says when you gas it the car turns and you said no it doesn't at pace speed. Now all of a sudden the dead mans friend says it and it's "see! I told you so"

:L

His friend making assumptions over what was seen or not and what his intent was or not can't be influenced by just watching his friend die. I mean that NEVER happens right? :rollseyes:

The dead mans friend said those things right away and I think it's quoted on like the 1st or 2nd page, it wasn't new.

As for the car turning. There is a difference between the car slinging it's rear end out as the friend said, and the car turning as pitman said. There is also a difference in when the car needs to sling the rear out to turn better. When it's at pace speed, or as the police estimated between 25-35MPH, the cars are able to turn just by turning the steering wheel. I posted multiple videos showing this.

But when the cars are going around the track at speed, the kick the back ends out and as they are sliding around the track they are also pushing with the traction they do get to the inside, and that makes them turn better. They wouldn't be able to make the turns at all otherwise, they would slide off the track.

Do you understand the difference between race speed and pace speed? Yes? Good.

Now, as part of the setup in these cars, they are built to kick the back ends out. So when you get on the gas, it kicks the back end out. As the driver in the article stated, he hit the gas and the back end kicked out and that is what hit him - the back end. The rear kick out from a temporary lose of traction in the rear tires.

Ok, still good? Do you understand what a pivot point is?

The pivot point of these cars is at the front wheels, which at this point still have some grip. Thus hitting the gas will kick the back end out, BUT it doesn't move the front tires to the left any until the car gets sideways and the gas is still being applied. Thus, as the rear of the car hit the guy, and not the front tires, it was the act of Tony hitting the gas and kicking the rear end out that actually hit the guy.

If you read the entire thing, his friend actually seemed pretty level headed about it honestly. He accurately described the incident of the previous lap as a racing incident and no big deal. He also says his friend make a mistake in what he did etc.
 

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If you think I read all of that then good, you must believe you have once again 'educated' us and are ready to leave it?

Please, no one dare question or point out things to him again. It's hard damned work to get him to move on. Don't fuck up our work here.
 

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If you think I read all of that then good, you must believe you have once again 'educated' us and are ready to leave it?

Please, no one dare question or point out things to him again. It's hard damned work to get him to move on. Don't fuck up our work here.

:lol: You are the one who keeps posting, not everyone else.
 

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:lol: You are the one who keeps posting, not everyone else.

Post count to this thread:
4down20........71
HammerDown..36
dirtboy068......29
Chewbaccer....22
WizardHawk....20

Yep, It's all me. :pound:
 

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Anyone who claims that they know Tony could see him is lying to himself & everyone else.

~Tell me again about your powers of perception.
 

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Post count to this thread:
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dirtboy068......29
Chewbaccer....22
WizardHawk....20

Yep, It's all me. :pound:

Yeah...
 

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And what have we learned from now 72 of your I-know-more-than-you, relentless, you-will-respect-my-authoritah, I've-read-more-than-you-have-done, posts?

You are an expert on sprint car physics because you read posts in a thread by other drivers who have driven them.

That expertise means you know more than an actual SH poster who has driven them and who has a son still driving them regularly.

You are willing to espouse any conjecture of what Stewart must have seen and been thinking at the time of the accident as the gospel.

And of course you are willing to brow beat people until they simply give up out of boredom and move on.

What will the inevitable next 72 posts bring? My sense is not much different.
 
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Do we have an over/under on the number of posts before 4d20 pulls another one of these?

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Seems like he's getting close.:whistle:
 

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And what have we learned from now 72 of your I-know-more-than-you, relentless, you-will-respect-my-authoritah, I've-read-more-than-you-have-done, posts?

You are an expert on sprint car physics because you read posts in a thread by other drivers who have driven them.

That expertise means you know more than an actual SH poster who has driven them and who has a son still driving them regularly.

You are willing to espouse any conjecture of what Stewart must have seen and been thinking at the time of the accident as the gospel.

And of course you are willing to brow beat people until they simply give up out of boredom and move on.

What will the inevitable next 72 posts bring? My sense is not much different.

From the previous article linked.

Tony Stewart hits, kills walking driver on sprint-car track - NASCAR - Sporting News

“People (who could see it better) said the guy got out of his car and was gesturing angrily at Tony Stewart when Tony Stewart came by during the next lap under yellow,” Willis said in a phone interview. “He approached him and evidently when he was driving by the guy standing on the track gesturing at him, he gunned his engine.


“What happened was the back end kicked out and clipped the guy and the guy flew across the track.”
 

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Do we have an over/under on the number of posts before 4d20 pulls another one of these?

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Seems like he's getting close.:whistle:


Took you long enough.
 

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And again, this means you know intent. I'm glad YOU know, but I'll still wait for the EXPERTS to finish their investigation. I prefer my experts to be hands on, not well read on forums.

:suds:
 

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And again, this means you know intent. I'm glad YOU know, but I'll still wait for the EXPERTS to finish their investigation. I prefer my experts to be hands on, not well read on forums.

:suds:

It's what they do all the time in racing. The whole thing, aside from the guy actually getting hit and killed, is not out of the ordinary.

If the video had just been the guy making the gestures at Tony, and Tony hitting the gas a bit and slinging the car out and missing him - I would have been like big deal, that's just racing stuff.

The alternative is the guy was somehow unable to move out of the path of a car that was traveling 25-35mph.
 
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It's what they do all the time in racing. The whole thing, aside from the guy actually getting hit and killed, is not out of the ordinary.

If the video had just been the guy making the gestures at Tony, and Tony hitting the gas a bit and slinging the car out and missing him - I would have been like big deal, that's just racing stuff.

The alternative is the guy was somehow unable to move out of the path of a car that was traveling 25-35mph.

A car traveling 30 MPH travels 44 feet every second. It's not as easy to dodge that as you'd like to suggest.
 

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A car traveling 30 MPH travels 44 feet every second. It's not as easy to dodge that as you'd like to suggest.

Well that's relative to the distance you start to dodge from isn't it?
 

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Well that's relative to the distance you start to dodge from isn't it?

I suppose it's easier to make up 44 feet per second if you start when it's a mile away than if it's 100 feet away, but that's not exactly an earth-shattering insight, now is it?
 

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Seems pretty clear that Tony goosed it and tried to scare the shit out of him. I don't see any reason he would be applying throttle with a person under his rear tire unless he made a grave miscalculation.

Tony's long history of on and off-track incidents won't look good in court.
 

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Seems pretty clear that Tony goosed it and tried to scare the shit out of him. I don't see any reason he would be applying throttle with a person under his rear tire unless he made a grave miscalculation.

Tony's long history of on and off-track incidents won't look good in court.

They wouldn't likely be admissible.
 

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Can't begin to imagine Tony intended to hurt the kid. I don't think anyone would logically think that. However, I don't think that's the relative question.

The sole issue here, imo, is whether or not he intended to gun it, knowing the kid was right there. If so, it was a reckless act which ended up killing a kid. It doesn't matter if he intended to hurt him. All that matters is if he intended to do the reckless act which killed the kid. It's intent to do the act, not the harm. But:

Maybe Tony didn't see him? Maybe he was trying to gun it to swerve away from him because he saw him late? Maybe he didn't really gun it?

It's gonna be really tough to prove any of this. Sad news regardless.
 

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This is from Mark Tychoniewicz who is one of the crew guys who was working on the car that is ahead of Tony Stewart in the video. The quotes are from his Facebook page:


i have driven these cars,the right side board on the top wing will block out an entire car let alone a person standing there,i now work on the 45 car in the video and the driver said he just saw him at the last second and just missed him,Tony had even less time to react to the situation.people in the stands or watching this video have no idea how fast these thing happen and how limited our view is inside the car.it was a very bad turn of events that happened but we all know the dangers involved in the sport we love.


just a little more input for the so called "EXPERTS" Tony was ahead of Kevin when he wrecked,he had no idea that Kevin was the reason for the caution untill he came back around,how could that be premeditated ???


Can't wait for 4d20 to tell us all how this guy is wrong too.
 
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