To Hold or not to Hold

[flamingrey]

You be the judge.

Do you call that hold at the end of the game?

(sucks you can't do a poll on this thing)

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Refs were letting them play all night, especially in the trenches, but with that being a blatent holding isolated on a WR in the corner of the end zone that was basically for the game, yeah, I would have to call that a hold myself. If that was not for the game, and it was not an isolated WR/CB, then I probably would not have called it seeing how they let the guys play last night during the game.

I vote YES, I would call it a holding, half the distance, automatic 1st down, even though I loath SF.

 

[flamingrey]

I have to agree. I believe it should have been called. It was a penalty that actually affected the play. Unlike say the ticky-tack face mask penalty - that had no bearing on the play itself - called against Dallas to guarantee Washington a spot in the playoffs.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I have to agree. I believe it should have been called. It was a penalty that actually affected the play. Unlike say the ticky-tack face mask penalty - that had no bearing on the play itself - called against Dallas to guarantee Washington a spot in the playoffs.

The only way that could have been a worse holding penalty is if the CB had actually tackled the WR. He was hanging on him, both hands grabbing and ripping at the jersey, never looked back for the ball and fell on the WR's legs just enough to make him stumble a little bit once breaking free.

 

[DanBengalfan]

These refs don't have the balls do throw a flag on the most crucial play of the game. The defender knows committing a foul and hoping you don't get caught is probably worth the risk, being so close to the end zone. When you play hard, its hard not to commit a foul.

 

[cincygrad]

The hands on the jersey were what sealed it for me. If it was just arm-to-arm contact, I think you have to let it go.... There is always some pushing/jousting, but the fist full of jersey while Crabtree was making his break makes it a penalty I think..... And it would have sucked to see it. I hate game changing penalties..... But if it's a penalty in the first half it should be a penalty in the last 2 minutes. Consistency is key.

I thought the running into the kicker penalty was complete bullshit. Akers should go play professional soccer.

 

[DanBengalfan]

and one of the announcers was an idiot.

I think the simplest explanation is that the ref simply lost track of the yardage and didn't realize he should call it. That reflects on the skill of the ref, doesn't it make him a douchebag, just not very great at making that kind of call.

but I like the "no balls" theory better cause it sounds so awesome in my brain.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

The hands on the jersey were what sealed it for me. If it was just arm-to-arm contact, I think you have to let it go.... There is always some pushing/jousting, but the fist full of jersey while Crabtree was making his break makes it a penalty I think..... And it would have sucked to see it. I hate game changing penalties..... But if it's a penalty in the first half it should be a penalty in the last 2 minutes. Consistency is key.

I thought the running into the kicker penalty was complete bullshit. Akers should go play professional soccer.

The call that everytime more consistant than any other penalty, because it is so easy to see and call.

If the kicker has his leg in the air, the defender never touched the ball, and whether he just love taps him, it is a penalty. They are tryign to prevent the kicker from having a defender rolling up on their legs everytime, possibly tearing knee ligaments, twisting ankels, etc. The kicker on the team is usually "not always" one of the highest scoring players on your team. They are goign to protect them like QB's when in a defenseless position, even if the kickers exaggerate the hit. Tapping the kicker when his leg is in the air is automatic, regardless of the acting involved.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I think Colin made a mistake down by the goalline on either 1st or 2nd down, I can't remember. It was the play he rolled out to his right, and tried to hit Crabtree in the front corner of the end zone. He forced that pass. He had a good 3 to 4 yards between him and the nearest defender, he should have used his speed to take it up field and get 3 or 4 yards out of it, making it like 2nd or 3rd and goal from the 1.

That would have changed everything from the 1 yard line. That is close enough for a QB draw, a hand off, a pitch, a quick hit in the corner of the endzone, a screen, etc. It would have opened the playbook up more and made it more unpredictable.

Way it goes though.

Plus, if Colin had turned it up, it would have forced Baltimroe to use a timeout or have the clock run down leaving them little time to drive the field for a FG.

 

[flamingrey]

I think Colin made a mistake down by the goalline on either 1st or 2nd down, I can't remember. It was the play he rolled out to his right, and tried to hit Crabtree in the front corner of the end zone. He forced that pass. He had a good 3 to 4 yards between him and the nearest defender, he should have used his speed to take it up field and get 3 or 4 yards out of it, making it like 2nd or 3rd and goal from the 1.

That would have changed everything from the 1 yard line. That is close enough for a QB draw, a hand off, a pitch, a quick hit in the corner of the endzone, a screen, etc. It would have opened the playbook up more and made it more unpredictable.

Way it goes though.

Plus, if Colin had turned it up, it would have forced Baltimroe to use a timeout or have the clock run down leaving them little time to drive the field for a FG.

It was 2nd down. He had 2 options there. Get some yards with his feet or hit Crabtree when he first made his cut. Instead, Colin held onto the ball too long, Crabtree was out of real estate, so he had to make a 2nd move into the endzone. And at that point, the defender was draped all over him. Had he played it correctly, they're sitting at 3rd and goal from the 1-2 yard line.

He did the same thing on almost the same play on 3rd down right before the half when they had to settle for 3. Had he thrown the ball early, SF has the first down. Instead, Colin was late, the defense closed in and forced an incompletion.

You could find a number of reasons why they didn't win, but rookie mistakes are among the top of the list.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

It was 2nd down. He had 2 options there. Get some yards with his feet or hit Crabtree when he first made his cut. Instead, Colin held onto the ball too long, Crabtree was out of real estate, so he had to make a 2nd move into the endzone. And at that point, the defender was draped all over him. Had he played it correctly, they're sitting at 3rd and goal from the 1-2 yard line.

He did the same thing on almost the same play on 3rd down right before the half when they had to settle for 3. Had he thrown the ball early, SF has the first down. Instead, Colin was late, the defense closed in and forced an incompletion.

You could find a number of reasons why they didn't win, but rookie mistakes are among the top of the list.

I agree 100% with you, oddly enough.

Granted, Colin still looked freaking fantastic considering this is his first year of playing time and it was only his 10th start in his career. He played a great game, but he had several mistakes that cost the 49ers the game also, among other things of course.

 

[flamingrey]

The hands on the jersey were what sealed it for me. If it was just arm-to-arm contact, I think you have to let it go.... There is always some pushing/jousting, but the fist full of jersey while Crabtree was making his break makes it a penalty I think..... And it would have sucked to see it. I hate game changing penalties..... But if it's a penalty in the first half it should be a penalty in the last 2 minutes. Consistency is key.

I thought the running into the kicker penalty was complete bullshit. Akers should go play professional soccer.

I somewhat agree with this. But I would propose that if they call the games consistently the same in quarters 1-3 game after game, even if they let a bit more slide in the 4th, as long as it's consistent game after game, I would have no issue with it.

However, pertaining to that play, imo there was just way too much contact to let it slide.

 

[DanBengalfan]

and we hate both teams, dog gone it we should know.

good work gentleman. I'll forward this to the commish and we'll get to watch the superbowl again next week.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

and we hate both teams, dog gone it we should know.

good work gentleman. I'll forward this to the commish and we'll get to watch the superbowl again next week.

Awesome, another SB I care nothing about!! haha

 

[DanBengalfan]

another excuse to say "game day bucket go boom"

 

[Tubbs1518]

1. That blatant of a hold has to be called. He had ahold of Crabtrees jersey with both hands.

2. On the previous drive on 3rd down the Ravens benifitted from a holding call that kept the drive alive and allowed them to kick a FG putting them up 5 instead of 2.

3. On the previous play Crabtree got hit helmet to helmet which the NFL is all about calling not yet no call was made.

4. One of the Ravens starting CBs shoved a ref in the 2nd quarter during that brawl, which is supposed to be an automatic dismissal yet he wasn't ejected.

5. They allow a ref who has never even refed a conference championship game, ref the Super Bowl.

The NFL and the refs were an absolute joke in this game.

 

[cincygrad]

1. That blatant of a hold has to be called. He had ahold of Crabtrees jersey with both hands.

2. On the previous drive on 3rd down the Ravens benifitted from a holding call that kept the drive alive and allowed them to kick a FG putting them up 5 instead of 2.

3. On the previous play Crabtree got hit helmet to helmet which the NFL is all about calling not yet no call was made.

4. One of the Ravens starting CBs shoved a ref in the 2nd quarter during that brawl, which is supposed to be an automatic dismissal yet he wasn't ejected.

5. They allow a ref who has never even refed a conference championship game, ref the Super Bowl.

The NFL and the refs were an absolute joke in this game.

I'm not big into conspiracy theories and I generally hate talking about race.... But isn't it strangely coincidental that the NFL chose an 'average' head ref that happens to be a minority at the same time that they are receiving so much criticism about opportunities for minority coaching candidates?

 

[Tubbs1518]

There is a big NY Times article about just that subject that I'll post here in a few. The other refs didn't want or think he should be reffing the Super Bowl.

 

[cincygrad]

I figured my thoughts weren't original -- I just haven't read too much media regarding the game. Would love to see the article though.

 

[DanBengalfan]

I think your onto something. I think it can be traced to money though, rather than a conspiracy that jolts the imagination.

they simply were still pissed at the refs for striking and made damn sure that the refs who made the extra $$$ for doing the super bowl were the ones they wanted to reward for whatever reason.