These "Experts" are awesome!

[Sharkinva]

Eh, I'm not an expert basher. Nfl GMs are just as hit and miss. No one on this earth knows where players will go and if they will be successful in the nfl. As for the scherff talk, if scot thinks he's the bpa then I'm all for him.

He was the BPA on our board has been used to justify as many smart picks as dumb picks.... Im just sayin'


And yes i am an expert basher, I lost faith in any kind of objectivity from the EXPERTS when big boards started looking more like picking for needs and playmakers, than actual ability and over all effect on a team.

 

[ehb5]

Would you have drafted Orakpo at #5?? How about Dion Jordan?? YOu can deny what Fredericks and Martin have done for Dallas until you are blue in the face. But Dallas INVESTED in the o-line and it paid off HUGE. Romo AND Murray had their best years as Pro Players ever. And its not because they all of a sudden got better, its because Jones invested prime picks into his O-line. We brought in one of the better O-line coaches in the league, so whats wrong with giving him some prime picks to work with instead of throwing MORE resources at the defense or WR group and then in six months complaining how Moses is a broke dick, Chester should never have been on roster and Compton is a backup??

Would you have drafted Danny Watkins at #5? Dallas is not the only formula for success. Plenty of good teams don't have great Olines. And I realize you'll say well they have good QBs. Well yea you need a great QB to win, that shouldnt change that other positions hold more value. And to be fair you could swing the other way with Callahan and say give him a year to see of there is anything with this group.

 

[ehb5]

he could be that for his career if he cant hold the weight .

And he could be an elite pass rusher his whole career.

 

[Sharkinva]

Would you have drafted Danny Watkins at #5? Dallas is not the only formula for success. Plenty of good teams don't have great Olines. And I realize you'll say well they have good QBs. Well yea you need a great QB to win, that shouldnt change that other positions hold more value. And to be fair you could swing the other way with Callahan and say give him a year to see of there is anything with this group.

Sure you could. BUt you do it my way and if we actually dont have anything at QB, we are still looking for a QB. We do it your way, and we dont have anything at QB AND O-line, we are looking for both.

We can find a situational pass rusher in the 2nd or 3rd round. We can FIND a big WR later in the draft or next year.

We fix the line of scrimmage and we should be able to get by with an average QB. We have another suspect O-line and we are just spinning wheels.

Besides which, I think we can all agree Chester is done, Moses is on an injury that takes two years to come back from and he wasnt that good to begin with. I will give you a pass on long. But seriously, what on our line do you really have faith in besides Trent.


I agree Dallas isnt the only formula for success... but we have been trying for YEARS to put together even a decent line while we take the hot sexy pick year after year... and for all that we have finished dead last in the division more often than not.

Time for a real change and a real attempt to address the O-line. And IM sorry but if we take a WR in round one, I expect we will take a pass rusher in round two and by week six we will basically be talking about QB's in next years draft.

 

[ehb5]

Sure you could. BUt you do it my way and if we actually dont have anything at QB, we are still looking for a QB. We do it your way, and we dont have anything at QB AND O-line, we are looking for both.

We can find a situational pass rusher in the 2nd or 3rd round. We can FIND a big WR later in the draft or next year.

We fix the line of scrimmage and we should be able to get by with an average QB. We have another suspect O-line and we are just spinning wheels.

Besides which, I think we can all agree Chester is done, Moses is on an injury that takes two years to come back from and he wasnt that good to begin with. I will give you a pass on long. But seriously, what on our line do you really have faith in besides Trent.


I agree Dallas isnt the only formula for success... but we have been trying for YEARS to put together even a decent line while we take the hot sexy pick year after year... and for all that we have finished dead last in the division more often than not.

Time for a real change and a real attempt to address the O-line. And IM sorry but if we take a WR in round one, I expect we will take a pass rusher in round two and by week six we will basically be talking about QB's in next years draft.

But you could find Olineman in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. If we do it your way we would still need a WR and an OLB as well as the QB. Either way something is getting pushed off to the second or third round. And I know the usual complaint with that is that we've been doing that for years with no success. But 1. process over product and 2. we havent had a legit GM like McGloughan.

And my point with Callahan wasnt really to say i have faith in our line. I 100% dont. But I dont think Scherff at #5 is the way to go.

 

[Sharkinva]

But you could find Olineman in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. If we do it your way we would still need a WR and an OLB as well as the QB. Either way something is getting pushed off to the second or third round. And I know the usual complaint with that is that we've been doing that for years with no success. But 1. process over product and 2. we havent had a legit GM like McGloughan.

And my point with Callahan wasnt really to say i have faith in our line. I 100% dont. But I dont think Scherff at #5 is the way to go.

And i have questioned that line of thinking. Is it you think a #5 pick should be a play maker, or simply that a Guard ( if thats the best he turns out to be) isnt worth a #5 pick.

Either way, if we are going to push something off, does it not make more sense to push off the positions that would be a luxury at this point?? And yes, WR and OLB would be a luxury at this point, especially if the OLB in question is a situational type.

 

[ehb5]

And i have questioned that line of thinking. Is it you think a #5 pick should be a play maker, or simply that a Guard ( if thats the best he turns out to be) isnt worth a #5 pick.

Either way, if we are going to push something off, does it not make more sense to push off the positions that would be a luxury at this point?? And yes, WR and OLB would be a luxury at this point, especially if the OLB in question is a situational type.

Its a combo of two things. I do think positions have value. I think a good guard can most likely be found in plenty of other places and usually later in the draft. But, if you have an opportunity to add an elite WR or OLB you take it. However, it also comes down to BPA for me. I think Amari, Beasley, and Williams might be my three favorite players in this draft. So thats a big part of it too.

Also, out of curiosity, if we had no quality RBs, and a RB was projected top ten, would you be ok with taking him?

 

[Stymietee]

Its a combo of two things. I do think positions have value. I think a good guard can most likely be found in plenty of other places and usually later in the draft. But, if you have an opportunity to add an elite WR or OLB you take it. However, it also comes down to BPA for me. I think Amari, Beasley, and Williams might be my three favorite players in this draft. So thats a big part of it too.

Also, out of curiosity, if we had no quality RBs, and a RB was projected top ten, would you be ok with taking him?

Let's test your value theory. Let's say that the adjectives were switched around and there was an ELITE guard and a good WR and OLB, woud you then take the elite guard over them?

 

[ehb5]

Let's test your value theory. Let's say that the adjectives were switched around and there was an ELITE guard and a good WR and OLB, woud you then take the elite guard over them?

A tougher call and maybe I would take the guard but 1. That's unrealistic at #5 there's always going to be an "elite" player available there and 2. I have been going through this discussion under the assumption they are all elite prospects (and have stated as such)

 

[countryroads316]

A tougher call and maybe I would take the guard but 1. That's unrealistic at #5 there's always going to be an "elite" player available there and 2. I have been going through this discussion under the assumption they are all elite prospects (and have stated as such)

so who is elite because none of the OLB's are worth the 5th overall pick

 

[ehb5]

so who is elite because none of the OLB's are worth the 5th overall pick

I would be happy with Leonard Williams, Cooper, or Beasley

 

[countryroads316]

Leonard Williams and Kevin White is my top 2 and if we wanted a OLB I would trade down and get Bud Dupree who is just scratching the surface of the player he could be

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Leonard Williams and Kevin White is my top 2 and if we wanted a OLB I would trade down and get Bud Dupree who is just scratching the surface of the player he could be

As far as the link I've never been a fan of the bleacher report there always off. As a trojans fan i'm very familiar with williams if he's on the board he's by far the player i would want the raiders to take over anyone. if he's not I'm not i really like cooper but I've been hearing a lot about white. Ive seen a lot more of cooper but i'm curious as a west virginia fan what could you tell me about white? What do you feel separates him as a better receiver than cooper. You're opinion would be very much appreciated

 

[Stymietee]

A tougher call and maybe I would take the guard but 1. That's unrealistic at #5 there's always going to be an "elite" player available there and 2. I have been going through this discussion under the assumption they are all elite prospects (and have stated as such)

I thought as much (all being elite) but found it curious that you applied the "elite" tag to a WR and OLB in your response and a mere "good" tag when referring to a guard. I could be mistaken but couldn't a guard be an elite player?

 

[countryroads316]

As far as the link I've never been a fan of the bleacher report there always off. As a trojans fan i'm very familiar with williams if he's on the board he's by far the player i would want the raiders to take over anyone. if he's not I'm not i really like cooper but I've been hearing a lot about white. Ive seen a lot more of cooper but i'm curious as a west virginia fan what could you tell me about white? What do you feel separates him as a better receiver than cooper. You're opinion would be very much appreciated

Size with 4.35 speed,physicality,amazing hands able to go up and get the ball

 

[ehb5]

I thought as much (all being elite) but found it curious that you applied the "elite" tag to a WR and OLB in your response and a mere "good" tag when referring to a guard. I could be mistaken but couldn't a guard be an elite player?

In that instance I just meant you could find a good guard instead of the elite one through other means. Yes you could do that with any position but my point was more you can't pass up the elite WR or OLB. I think you can pass up that elite guard in that situation.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Size with 4.35 speed,physicality,amazing hands able to go up and get the ball

thank you I'm going to definitely watch some film sounds a lot like calvin johnson

 

[countryroads316]

 

[TheRobotDevil]

he's definitely got the talent to make an impact. His speed is impressive but he also has very good balance and footwork. He may even be better than the highlights show. He seems to have had to spend a lot of time adjusting to the throws. With the right qb if he's hit in stride he could be a homer threat. But to make an immediate impact for the raiders that would hinge on the progress of carr and whether or not they can address the oline

 

[redskinsfan]

IM sorry, but when the talk is you should take a situational pass rusher, or a WR that for all intents will be at BEST 3rd on the depth chart over a starting o=Lineman that most expect to be very good for the next 7-10 years.... what else can you call it save for sexy over substance??

If you want to talk history, McCloughan took Aldon Smith, who's substantially similar to Beasley. Look how Aldon Smith turned out.