the visor argument

[puckhead]

should be over right about now.


here's Dan Paille's helmet after blocking a shot with his face.
wouldna't have wanted to see the mop-up if he wasn't protected.

 

[beantownmaniac]

should be over right about now.


here's Dan Paille's helmet after blocking a shot with his face.
wouldna't have wanted to see the mop-up if he wasn't protected.

I understand the argument for visors, but I want rules/penalties to come with the mandatory visor rule. especially when it comes to fighting and players taking shots/targeting other players heads. I swear high sticking penalties went through the roof when helmets became mandatory.

 

[davnlaguna]

I understand the argument for visors, but I want rules/penalties to come with the mandatory visor rule. especially when it comes to fighting and players taking shots/targeting other players heads. I swear high sticking penalties went through the roof when helmets became mandatory.

Maybe but was that because of the helmets or the refs/league just calling more high sticking? It seems to my old memory that high sticking wasn't called unless blood was involved in the olden days. Also for hooking you had to actually hook and pull otherwise it was a "stick check" and that was ok.

 

[pixburgher66]

With new head shot rules, I don't think a mandatory visor would change a thing. PAILLE COULD BE DEAD if he didn't have one. That's not even an exaggeration. Wear them. It's simple, you're an idiot not to.

 

[puckhead]

With new head shot rules, I don't think a mandatory visor would change a thing. PAILLE COULD BE DEAD if he didn't have one. That's not even an exaggeration. Wear them. It's simple, you're an idiot not to.

i put on a visor as soon as i had a kid. all of a sudden, priorities changed.

 

[Automattic]

Holy shit! Would somebody please explain to me why baseball player makes soooooo much more money than a hockey player?

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Wow, just saw the video of that.

Scary.

 

[SLY]

Hope he's alright, haven't seen an official update yet.

 

[Darkstone42]

Wow.



Ouch.

 

[elocomotive]

Holy shit! Would somebody please explain to me why baseball player makes soooooo much more money than a hockey player?

If jobs that actually mattered got paid more, nurses, teachers, and soldiers would get paid $150K a year and hockey players would do it as a second job and get $20K for it because it's fun.

 

[elocomotive]

Wow.

Ouch.

D'stone, I thought of you yesterday while watching a game and seeing a player with a strap hanging so loose that you could shove a fist in between the strap and this chin. So ridiculous. I don't even know why you'd want the helmet that loose and moving around on your head. Makes no sense.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

I'm not even sure that the shot hit Paille's visor (just saw one run of the clip last night). I know he has a broken nose, so I'm assuming that's where it hit him.

Nevertheless, players wear visors in junior, NCAA, etc. and light up the scoreboards. They then choose to take them off . The game is simply too fast now for them not to be mandatory.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

Before players wore visors and helmets you didn't have sticks flying up around their faces because they played with something that is missing in today's game and that's respect.

Players respected each other and knew they were out there making a living playing a great sport now.......I just don't think some of them give a shit.

 

[Slimpikins]

They should just grandfather them in like they did with helmets.

And if you don't take your helmet off during a fight you should get an extra two.

 

[elocomotive]

Before players wore visors and helmets you didn't have sticks flying up around their faces because they played with something that is missing in today's game and that's respect.

Aren't most high-sticking penalties accidental? From what I see, they are largely inadvertent or guys trying to play D when the stick rides up the persons' arms. I don't think there is any maliciousness to about 95% of high-sticking penalties.

I don't know how hockey was 50 years ago, because I wasn't alive. But I don't see how having a helmet would make you less/more careful with your stick. It mostly protects your head against impacts with the boards and ice. Even with visors (which more protect your eyes/nose from high speed puck impacts), guys can still easily take a stick to the face. In fact, it's rare that I see a visor protect against a high stick. They mostly come up from underneath and graze the face. They also aren't a "dangerous" penalty, usually just causing cuts and scrapes. Believe me, I'm not saying a high stick feels good, but I don't see it as a safety issue in the same class with boarding, head shots, fighting, pucks to the head/face, etc.

 

[Slimpikins]

I think the reasoning behind it is that once players started wearing helmets they became much more comfortable playing with their sticks up. If you caught a guy it's not as big a deal because he has a helmet to protect him.

Kind of like goalies. No one used to shoot high in games because they never practiced shooting high. They didn't want to hurt their own goalies in practice so they generally kept thier shots low. Once goalies started wearing helmets guys could practice shooting high and it translated into the game.

 

[dash]

Before players wore visors and helmets you didn't have sticks flying up around their faces because they played with something that is missing in today's game and that's respect.

Players respected each other and knew they were out there making a living playing a great sport now.......I just don't think some of them give a shit.

Boss, I think it mainly boils down to money - 50 years ago, players were making peanuts and most (if not all) had a job during the off-season to make ends meet. I'm sure some guys made close to the same amount of money with their off-season work as they did playing hockey.

Today, these guys make 500,000+ at the bottom end and if they have a little skill can easily make 2 million+ per season. Other players on the fringe know this and want a piece of that pie pretty badly and will do whatever it takes to make a GM stand up and take notice.

 

[blindbaby]

Boss, I think it mainly boils down to money - 50 years ago, players were making peanuts and most (if not all) had a job during the off-season to make ends meet. I'm sure some guys made close to the same amount of money with their off-season work as they did playing hockey.

Today, these guys make 500,000+ at the bottom end and if they have a little skill can easily make 2 million+ per season. Other players on the fringe know this and want a piece of that pie pretty badly and will do whatever it takes to make a GM stand up and take notice.

Agreed. There was once a thing called sportsmanship in sports. Or, as a friend used to say, "you won't find sportsmanship in sports".

 

[BOSSMANPC]

Aren't most high-sticking penalties accidental? From what I see, they are largely inadvertent or guys trying to play D when the stick rides up the persons' arms. I don't think there is any maliciousness to about 95% of high-sticking penalties.

I don't know how hockey was 50 years ago, because I wasn't alive. But I don't see how having a helmet would make you less/more careful with your stick. It mostly protects your head against impacts with the boards and ice. Even with visors (which more protect your eyes/nose from high speed puck impacts), guys can still easily take a stick to the face. In fact, it's rare that I see a visor protect against a high stick. They mostly come up from underneath and graze the face. They also aren't a "dangerous" penalty, usually just causing cuts and scrapes. Believe me, I'm not saying a high stick feels good, but I don't see it as a safety issue in the same class with boarding, head shots, fighting, pucks to the head/face, etc.

I see a lot more boarding and charging penalties when before contact the first thing the player does is bring his stick up. I can't give you numbers and percentages but it seems that way to me. What was once done with a body shot now is accompanied with a raised stick.

JMO.

 

[dash]

Agreed. There was once a thing called sportsmanship in sports. Or, as a friend used to say, "you won't find sportsmanship in sports".

Gordie Howe's signing bonus when he signed his first contract with Detroit - a Red Wings jacket.

Times have certainly changed.