The Tom Brady A-Peel Starts Today

[BigKen]

I watched a non-sports program last night and to my surprise a huge segment was dedicated to the Tom Brady/NFLPA/NFL showdown in New York City this morning. It was interesting because none of the commentators appeared to have any bias whatsoever. The legal guys were really sharp. They seemed to center on the negatives that both sides will have to overcome.

1. The hearing will be formal and very calculated. Every question asked will be lawyered up. The reason? Anything said in this hearing is admissible in court.

2. The negative for Brady is that he was unwilling to turn over his cell phone to Ted Wells. Wells then asked for any texts or emails associated with anything to do with deflation of footballs or the AFC Championship Game before or after the game. Brady refused again. This is the single strongest argument against Brady.

3. The negatives for the league are long and I can't remember all of them but these are the ones I do remember.
- Goodell has stated publicly that he did not order the ball investigation at the AGCCG.
* If he didn't, who did? Did the Commissioner authorize it
* If the league suspected that balls were tampered with, how could they allow the balls to be used in the game?
* If the league commissioned Ted Wells to investigate the incidents suspected, what were his direct
instructions? If you're paying someone $4M, you must have a goal for the investigation.
* How were the penalties determined? What was the benchmark used?

One of the legal beagles said that if Brady is not satisfied with the result of this hearing and decides to go to federal court, it could effect professional sports across the board and the way that leagues have set themselves up to hand out penalties and suspensions. It could possibly force every league to change contract language and change everything they've been doing since the beginning. He said he thought that this could be a landmark case "against" professional sports and that the MLB, NHL and NBA may have representatives at the hearing.

His final statement was that:

"The Tom Brady Appeal could well PEEL the layers away from everything that could be legally questioned against every professional sports organization".

 

[TxHeat]

I think we are going to need LOTS of popcorn before all is said and done.

 

[BigKen]

No media is allowed in the NFL Building yet they somehow know that the hearing was moved from an upper floor to the first floor because there were too many people. According to Albert Breer, the NFL had three NFL attorneys, Ted Wells and Goodell. The NFLPA had two attorneys, Brady had himself, Kessler and his agent Donald Yee. If opne of those 10 didn't tell anyone that they had to move from an upper floor to the first floor, who did? Sounds to me that the NFL already has a security problem and the hearing hadn't started.

Sounds to me that someone excused themselves to go pee. They needed to 'leak' something to the media.

 

[SDGuy73]

I'm sure there are reporters are all over. Maybe they saw they were moving it. Who knows.

 

[SDGuy73]

No media is allowed in the NFL Building yet they somehow know that the hearing was moved from an upper floor to the first floor because there were too many people. According to Albert Breer, the NFL had three NFL attorneys, Ted Wells and Goodell. The NFLPA had two attorneys, Brady had himself, Kessler and his agent Donald Yee. If opne of those 10 didn't tell anyone that they had to move from an upper floor to the first floor, who did? Sounds to me that the NFL already has a security problem and the hearing hadn't started.

Sounds to me that someone excused themselves to go pee. They needed to 'leak' something to the media.

One thing I'm with you on is NFL leaks. Journalism sucks today. Reporters should be holding the NFL's feet to the fire. Why the fuck was there so much FALSE information continuously leaked to the media? I would demand answers.

 

[SJ76]

I believe the Pats and Tom when they say the "deflator" was in regards to one of the balls guys' WEIGHT.

 

[Southieinnc]

I believe the Pats and Tom when they say the "deflator" was in regards to one of the balls guys' WEIGHT.

I'm absolutely positive that I don't know.
He could be calling himself deflator because he thinks that Brady sees him as having nothing else to do but check pressure in balls.

 

[CreepCreep2014]

I believe the Pats and Tom when they say the "deflator" was in regards to one of the balls guys' WEIGHT.

Ya....a text message in May, before camp started and way before the season started.....AGAIN....Brady only started to look at the PSI of the footballs after the Jets game where the balls were at 16psi....but like the NFL, haters will ignore that little fact also.

 

[BigKen]

The appeal hearing lasted 12 hours. 10 of which Brady was present. Supposedly the legal teams from the NFL, NFLPA and Brady's attorneys hunkered down after Brady and Goodell and all of the non legals left.

Surprisingly, nothing has "leaked" from the hearings. One of the lawyer must have put a warning on the table that nothing was to be said to the media or it could cost anyone who spoke their entire life's savings.

Kessler was nearly assaulted when he left the building, Brady was shoved into a huge black Denali in the parking garage, no one saw Goodell leave. Appears that mouths and butts were slammed shut.

 

[cdumler7]

Ya....a text message in May, before camp started and way before the season started.....AGAIN....Brady only started to look at the PSI of the footballs after the Jets game where the balls were at 16psi....but like the NFL, haters will ignore that little fact also.

You really think Brady didn't care about PSI until that moment? He was one of the biggest advocates for changing the rule that QB's could control the preparation for a football before a game. QB's have said over and over again with this whole Deflategate thing happening that they could tell if the ball was 1 PSI too high or low within a matter of seconds of grabbing it. So again how in the world can you think that it was only after the refs pumped it up for one game that he actually started to care? He cared long before that.

 

[cdumler7]

The appeal hearing lasted 12 hours. 10 of which Brady was present. Supposedly the legal teams from the NFL, NFLPA and Brady's attorneys hunkered down after Brady and Goodell and all of the non legals left.

Surprisingly, nothing has "leaked" from the hearings. One of the lawyer must have put a warning on the table that nothing was to be said to the media or it could cost anyone who spoke their entire life's savings.

Kessler was nearly assaulted when he left the building, Brady was shoved into a huge black Denali in the parking garage, no one saw Goodell leave. Appears that mouths and butts were slammed shut.

It makes sense as both sides have a lot to lose if it is leaked. There is supposed to be a gag clause with these things and unfortunately it does seem somebody usually talks but with this one being so high profile I can see both sides thinking it advantageous to wait at this particular time.

 

[TxHeat]

Why would Goodell and NFL change course on Brady now?Why would Roger Goodell and NFL change course on Brady now? | Comcast SportsNet - CSNNE.com

If this plays out the way Curran suggests it might, this shitstorm will definitely end up in court. And Goofdell and the league will absolutely get their hats handed to them.

 

[Southieinnc]

You really think Brady didn't care about PSI until that moment? He was one of the biggest advocates for changing the rule that QB's could control the preparation for a football before a game. QB's have said over and over again with this whole Deflategate thing happening that they could tell if the ball was 1 PSI too high or low within a matter of seconds of grabbing it. So again how in the world can you think that it was only after the refs pumped it up for one game that he actually started to care? He cared long before that.

The league gave Brady exactly what he wanted. 12.5 psi. Peyton wanted 13.5. That is where the league set the range. Brady and Manning had talked to other QB's before meeting with the league. If you like the feel of the ball at 12.5, why would you cheat to make it less than what you want?
Now if some dumb f____ pumped up the balls to 16 psi before the Jets game, you'd expect him to start yelling
" I want the f_____ balls 12.5 psi!!!!!" What happened after that you don't know anymore than I do.....

 

[TP76]

I think it gets reduced to 2 games... just on the weakness of the science in the Wells report. IMO it's about a month before Goodell rules, which is consistent with recent appeals.Which puts it a few weeks before preseason games and after camp starts. Brady did not bring on Kessler for the appeal, and I have a hard time seeing him accepting any punishment with Kessler as part of his legal team.

Onto training camp.

 

[CreepCreep2014]

You really think Brady didn't care about PSI until that moment? He was one of the biggest advocates for changing the rule that QB's could control the preparation for a football before a game. QB's have said over and over again with this whole Deflategate thing happening that they could tell if the ball was 1 PSI too high or low within a matter of seconds of grabbing it. So again how in the world can you think that it was only after the refs pumped it up for one game that he actually started to care? He cared long before that.

Did he care about the balls? Yes, he wanted them at 12.5. Then the Jets game, they were at 16 psi. If you read the reports, he flipped out on JJ and JM. I believe there was a text that stated 'Brady was right, I tested the balls and they were at 16 psi. The Refs fucked us" something like that? So maybe after the Jets game, TB had a talking to JJ and reminded him about the PSI. Sure Brady cared about them, but he cared a hell of a lot more after that Jets game. Also what QB's have said they can tell the difference? Montana, Burnell, Cam Newton?? Please, you mean to tell me when it is cold as shit and raining outside and your hands are cold as hell you can tell the difference between 1 psi??

 

[CreepCreep2014]

I think it gets reduced to 2 games... just on the weakness of the science in the Wells report. IMO it's about a month before Goodell rules, which is consistent with recent appeals.Which puts it a few weeks before preseason games and after camp starts. Brady did not bring on Kessler for the appeal, and I have a hard time seeing him accepting any punishment with Kessler as part of his legal team.

Onto training camp.

Agree here. 2 games and fine. TB say's no thanks we will see you in court. I for one, want this to happen. I want the NFL to be forced to answer all the questions that Goodballs and the NFL refuses to answer. I want all the shit that seems to be swept under the rug to come out and be answered.

 

[CreepCreep2014]

I thought Florio hated NE...

Mike Florio: Goodell Underling(s) Were Out to Get the Patriots | The Big Lead

 

[TP76]

I thought Florio hated NE...

Mike Florio: Goodell Underling(s) Were Out to Get the Patriots | The Big Lead

Florio is a lawyer, and he pretty much di-sected the whole thing rather expertly, while not taking sides (probably thinks Brady did something). He just happens to be on our side of the fence in this particular instance.

 

[CreepCreep2014]

Florio is a lawyer, and he pretty much di-sected the whole thing rather expertly, while not taking sides (probably thinks Brady did something). He just happens to be on our side of the fence in this particular instance.

True, but I always got the feeling that he was anti NE, or at least anti BB. Maybe it was me..

 

[TxHeat]

Agree here. 2 games and fine. TB say's no thanks we will see you in court. I for one, want this to happen. I want the NFL to be forced to answer all the questions that Goodballs and the NFL refuses to answer. I want all the shit that seems to be swept under the rug to come out and be answered.

you and I agree, as I just stated on another thread. for Brady to get what he wants (total vindication) this has to go to court. Does anyone really think Goofdell is going to give that to Brady? Not a chance.