THE PAC 12 THREAD v.5

[mrwallace2ku]

can't quite put a date on it…but.


beavz haven't won in the Mosoleum against the trojans of lore in like 60 years.


bet accordingly.

 

[wazzu31]

Now vegas has flipped it back again and has it WSU -2 at Oregon.

Started -1 for WSU, went to -2 for the ducks, and now -2 to WSU again. All kinds of money jumping things around in that bitch.

And the current O/U has dropped from 67 to 60.

60 is the over/under? Did Vegas mess up and just put that number up for our offense jesus that is low.

 

[trojanfan12]

To be honest if they could just leave it at internal discipline I think it would be best for everyone involved. Good for WSU fans rushing the field after an impressive win. That stuffs exciting, my friend from ASU still brings up carrying around the goal posts from when ASU ended Nebraska's win streak. I think that was 1996. But if you are going to rush the field have the sense to not get to close to upset losing players. If you do natural consequences....

On the Petros and Money Show they were talking to a personal injury lawyer who said that there's justice and then there's the law.

He said that according to the law, the player could have been arrested, but that the fan getting clocked was justice since he was technically trespassing. lol

Oh and for the guy who decked the player, I think the coaches should discipline him, some sort of game suspension, plus whatever team discipline he should face. Coaches need to teach their players not to do this stuff. But I don't think he should face criminal charges.

Heard he was seen doing up downs after practice.

 

[Olyduck]

Yeah.

oh good you agree

 

[Vitamike]

I'm not saying he was right or it wasnt malicious. I'm saying no way he could get convicted of assault.

I wouldn't be so sure...however it would likely be for simple assault or reckless endangerment, and probably not for the more serious charge of aggravated assault unless the victim is under the age of 18, than child protection laws come into play.

In Washington, a person commits the crime of simple assault by:

• intentionally touching or striking another person, in a harmful or offensive way
• attempting to inflict injury on another, when the defendant has the apparent ability to do so, or
• committing any act that intentionally places another person in apprehension of harm.

Here is the standard for reckless endangerment:

Washington’s laws also recognize a related crime called reckless endangerment. A person commits the crime of reckless endangerment by recklessly engaging in conduct that creates a risk of death or serious physical injury.

People act recklessly when they disregard the substantial risks to others created by their conduct. Recklessness is always a gross deviation from how a reasonable person in the same situation would act.

 

[Duckboy33]

60 is the over/under? Did Vegas mess up and just put that number up for our offense jesus that is low.

I think that's about right. Both teams have better defenses than people realize. And Oregon will be playing without their starting QB. I wouldn't expect a ton of points to be scored.

 

[wazzu31]

I think that's about right. Both teams have better defenses than people realize. And Oregon will be playing without their starting QB. I wouldn't expect a ton of points to be scored.

Maybe both might be improved, but 60 is very low. 60 seems like just a number both teams could get to without even trying. You may be on a backup QB but can't imagine it being a 24-21 game.

 

[WizardHawk]

With the odds they have listed they are forecasting a final score of 31 - 29 WSU.

Without Herbert and Freeman I'd go more like 45-20 and it could be worse.

No matter what duck fans think of their improved D, it won't keep the score down if their offense isn't holding onto the ball. Asking a backup QB to do so in a game this big is really a tall order. If you give Falk enough tries they are going to score and score often. The ducks are probably going to have a much more conservative game plan because of the inexperience at QB. Safer passes and a whole lot of running. Cougs should be able to park a Safety down low and play a lot more man over the top.

Honestly the cougs would have to be total frauds to lose this game or even have it close late. Without a lot of turnovers this one should be over in the 3rd quarter.

 

[WizardHawk]

Do I really need to point out what happened the last time Oregon debuted a QB for the first time (in this case at least as a starter) against a hot team from the state of Washington at home?

 

[socaljim242]

I wouldn't be so sure...however it would likely be for simple assault or reckless endangerment, and probably not for the more serious charge of aggravated assault unless the victim is under the age of 18, than child protection laws come into play.


Here is the standard for reckless endangerment:

There's no way in hell.lol. The player didnt change course, the fan ran towards the player and shouldn't have been on the field. The person being reckless was the fan. The player was were he was supposed to be( going to the locker room) If the fan was standing of to the side where the player had to move in his direction and then he pushed him yeah. But their paths crossed because the fan was in the wrong being on the feild and the player did some thing he shouldn't have but theres noway they could get him for assault. The fan created the situation. Your ticket says you have to obey the rules of the stadium. The fact that the school got fined because fans rushed the field would make a judge rule in the players favor.

 

[Vitamike]

There's no way in hell.lol. The player didnt change course, the fan ran towards the player and shouldn't have been on the field. The person being reckless was the fan. The player was were he was supposed to be( going to the locker room) If the fan was standing of to the side where the player had to move in his direction and then he pushed him yeah. But their paths crossed because the fan was in the wrong being on the feild and the player did some thing he shouldn't have but theres noway they could get him for assault. The fan created the situation. Your ticket says you have to obey the rules of the stadium. The fact that the school got fined because fans rushed the field would make a judge rule in the players favor.

You are looking at this with Gold & Cardinal goggles jim.

It doesn't matter if the fan was violating pitch invasion rules or not, when the standard of recklessness is always a gross deviation from how a reasonable person in the same situation would act.

I don't think the player will be charged though, but they are investigating it further so it tells us something is of interest. I believe if they find out the fan was under the age of 18, he will be charged with simple assault.

 

[socaljim242]

You are looking at this with Gold & Cardinal goggles jim.

It doesn't matter if the fan was violating pitch invasion rules or not, when the standard of recklessness is always a gross deviation from how a reasonable person in the same situation would act.

I don't think the player will be charged though, but they are investigating it further so it tells us something is of interest. I believe if they find out the fan was under the age of 18, he will be charged with simple assault.

My swim goggles are black with mirror lenses. lol. I swim a few times a week during lunch.
I don't think he'd ever get convicted. If they did charge him it would just get plea bargained to something lessor. I thought I was the only one up this early.lol . I'm self employed. Whats your excuse? lol

 

[SUBuddha]

Another reason Arizona is Ok to live in at times. In AZ the victim of assault cannot claim assault if they recklessly put themselves in that position to be assaulted.

 

[Vitamike]

My swim goggles are black with mirror lenses. lol. I swim a few times a week during lunch.
I don't think he'd ever get convicted. If they did charge him it would just get plea bargained to something lessor. I thought I was the only one up this early.lol . I'm self employed. Whats your excuse? lol

My swim goggles are the same colors as yours, I swim M-F after my workouts. (Can't do the cardio machines anymore thanks to my HS football days & a Motorcycle accident)

What lessor crime? Simple assault is only a gross misdemeanor, not sure what lessor criminal charges could be plead down to, that is pretty minor on the spectrum of assault charges.

I'm up because of some good 'old jet lag. Just got back from Scotland yesterday morning after a two week vacation.

I am usually up around 5:30 and checking emails around 6.

 

[Vitamike]

Another reason Arizona is Ok to live in at times. In AZ the victim of assault cannot claim assault if they recklessly put themselves in that position to be assaulted.

A lot we don't know, yes there were fans rushing the field but he could have had credentials to be on the field.

Also, I don't think he 'did' anything other than run past the player. That to me is not 'putting yourself in a position to be assaulted, back to the Washington State standard of course, the player's choice of a gross deviation from how a reasonable person in the same situation would act, to me is easily proven.

None of us would act that way, well maybe AG.

 

[socaljim242]

My swim goggles are the same colors as yours, I swim M-F after my workouts. (Can't do the cardio machines anymore thanks to my HS football days & a Motorcycle accident)

What lessor crime? Simple assault is only a gross misdemeanor, not sure what lessor criminal charges could be plead down to, that is pretty minor on the spectrum of assault charges.

I'm up because of some good 'old jet lag. Just got back from Scotland yesterday morning after a two week vacation.

I am usually up around 5:30 and checking emails around 6.

Something that doesn't say assault on the kids record. I would say a good attorney would get it dropped to disorderly conduct and call it a day. One of my good friends works for a high profile attorney and I've heard stories of a client being drunk , speeding ,blowing stop lights, losing control and crashing ultimately being charged with just reckless driving. Having a good attorney will get something minor thrown out and something major being reduced.

Scotland huh. That's pretty cool. I've been to England and Ireland quite a few times but never made it to Scotland. Ever see that movie "the Englishman who went up a hill and came down a mountain"? It's pretty funny if you haven't seen it.

 

[WizardHawk]

Jim, did you watch the TV copy of that hit? The angle from the cell phone wasn't as clear about how that player did in fact lean/lung going away from the path he was actually walking to hit that fan. One of the links AG posted had both views and that TV copy was much more damning in terms of how far the player went out of his way to hit him.

Again to be clear, I wouldn't charge him with anything, but to say it isn't chargeable is total and complete bullshit.

 

[wazzu31]

Why don't we just all compromise and no longer have night games in Pullman. Make all home games a 12:30 start on Saturday's. I don't mean to use the cop out of what do they expect and excuse bad behavior, but what does the Pac 12 expect when they do night games in the one legit college town in the conference where you go to school and drink/drugs

 

[Vitamike]

Why don't we just all compromise and no longer have night games in Pullman. Make all home games a 12:30 start on Saturday's. I don't mean to use the cop out of what do they expect and excuse bad behavior, but what does the Pac 12 expect when they do night games in the one legit college town in the conference where you go to school and drink/drugs

Funny, but true!

 

[trojanfan12]

You are looking at this with Gold & Cardinal goggles jim.

Uh, no he isn't. The lawyer that was interviewed on Petros and Money also said that it would be highly unlikely that charges would even be brought, let alone, a conviction happen...largely because the fan was where he wasn't allowed to be.

Essentially, he said that when you trespass into an area where you know you are not supposed to be, you are choosing to endanger yourself.

He said if the fan came to him even wanting to go with a civil suit, he'd tell him to stay off the field and that he has no chance of winning.