The Official Kirk Cousins post MNF game thread .

[Sharkinva]

Stafford and Carr haven't earned their money. Luck, however, up until his injuries, did earn it. 2 straight division titles with 3 playoff wins and an AFC title game. Took a 2-14 team to the playoffs. That's improvement. They didn't, however, have a crystal ball to show how badly he would be injured the last 2 years.

So having said this... would Detroit and Oakland be in a better position right now planning to draft new QBs next year and having saved the money??

 

[Yo Tee]

So having said this... would Detroit and Oakland be in a better position right now planning to draft new QBs next year and having saved the money??

Oakland has a good team surrounding Carr. Plus, Carr led them to the playoffs last year. Not sure if Oakland should be in the market for a QB. Detroit, they might want to move on. He's the same as Cousins. Stafford is a statistical machine but where has that gotten the Lions? 3 playoff births in 6 years with no playoff wins. Stafford is a career losing QB at 54-61. Hasn't been able to put up a back to back winning season throughout his career. Time to move on. The Lions don't even have the pieces around Stafford to help him out. 28th ranked defense, 26th ranked running game. Stafford is padding his stats while the Lions get nothing in return.

 

[deanpet21]

Oakland has a good team surrounding Carr. Plus, Carr led them to the playoffs last year. Not sure if Oakland should be in the market for a QB. Detroit, they might want to move on. He's the same as Cousins. Stafford is a statistical machine but where has that gotten the Lions? 3 playoff births in 6 years with no playoff wins. Stafford is a career losing QB at 54-61. Hasn't been able to put up a back to back winning season throughout his career. Time to move on. The Lions don't even have the pieces around Stafford to help him out. 28th ranked defense, 26th ranked running game. Stafford is padding his stats while the Lions get nothing in return.

well they just gave Stafford a huge deal so they are not moving on. lol

 

[Yo Tee]

well they just gave Stafford a huge deal so they are not moving on. lol

Well, I've been against that decision but who am I to judge, I suppose lol

 

[deanpet21]

Well, I've been against that decision but who am I to judge, I suppose lol

With Rodgers out the Lions should be able to make a move. Plus the Vikings don't have a Qb and the Bears have a rookie. So there is no excuse for the Lions not to do well this year. If the Lions cant win that division that should put up some red flags.

 

[Yo Tee]

With Rodgers out the Lions should be able to make a move. Plus the Vikings don't have a Qb and the Bears have a rookie. So there is no excuse for the Lions not to do well this year. If the Lions cant win that division that should put up some red flags.

Well, Keenum is getting the job done and he's got a great defense to help out. The Bears showed that they can win games without their QB throwing the ball. The Packers are in big trouble. Lions have been in a must win year for years now. That QB, whoever it is, needs to be the leaders of the team on and off the field. If you can't be a leader and lead your team to success, you aren't a good leader, which means you aren't a very good QB.

 

[deanpet21]

Well, Keenum is getting the job done and he's got a great defense to help out. The Bears showed that they can win games without their QB throwing the ball. The Packers are in big trouble. Lions have been in a must win year for years now. That QB, whoever it is, needs to be the leaders of the team on and off the field. If you can't be a leader and lead your team to success, you aren't a good leader, which means you aren't a very good QB.

If the Lions cant win the division that is a huge slap in the face IMO. They have the best Qb now.

 

[Sharkinva]

Well, I've been against that decision but who am I to judge, I suppose lol

MAybe the Lions determined that chasing the dragon was NOT the best course of action. YOu have a good QB, pay the man and build around him. I never thought i would live to say, the Lions front office might actually be smarter than the Skins front office.

 

[deanpet21]

MAybe the Lions determined that chasing the dragon was NOT the best course of action. YOu have a good QB, pay the man and build around him. I never thought i would live to say, the Lions front office might actually be smarter than the Skins front office.

what if the Lions dont win the division with the highest paid QB in the league plus rodgers being out? Do you second guess the contract?

 

[Sharkinva]

what if the Lions dont win the division with the highest paid QB in the league plus rodgers being out? Do you second guess the contract?

NOt at all. Because if they DONT win the Division, odds are it WONT be because of the QB. And while I know you get all giddy thinking about how awesome drafting a rookie QB would be. The reality is, if you are drafting a QB in the first round, more than likely you have bigger problems than QB.

And if WE are drafting a QB it also means we have a new coach, and a new staff. So while you might want to turn on Sports Center and hear how awesome our young QB is doing every week. IM perfectly fine if my QB isnt the feature spot every five minutes.

 

[deanpet21]

NOt at all. Because if they DONT win the Division, odds are it WONT be because of the QB. And while I know you get all giddy thinking about how awesome drafting a rookie QB would be. The reality is, if you are drafting a QB in the first round, more than likely you have bigger problems than QB.

And if WE are drafting a QB it also means we have a new coach, and a new staff. So while you might want to turn on Sports Center and hear how awesome our young QB is doing every week. IM perfectly fine if my QB isnt the feature spot every five minutes.

Wrong. Does Houston or KC have bigger problems than QB. They both drafted 1st round qbs and gave up a future 1st round picks. You cant get the fact that a rookie QB can succeed in the NFL. After giving Staffrod that kind of money and you don't win the division with the current QB's you should be going crazy. The whole point in giving the huge contract is saying that I should win with this guy. Now that Rodgers is out the Lions should control things. Anything less is a problem.

 

[Sharkinva]

Wrong. Does Houston or KC have bigger problems than QB. They both drafted 1st round qbs and gave up a future 1st round picks. You cant get the fact that a rookie QB can succeed in the NFL. After giving Staffrod that kind of money and you don't win the division with the current QB's you should be going crazy. The whole point in giving the huge contract is saying that I should win with this guy. Now that Rodgers is out the Lions should control things. Anything less is a problem.

Houston was in the playoffs two years ago.

KC was in the playoffs last year.

Can it work?? Sure. Does it usually work for this franchise?? Fuck no. If we trade up, or draft a rookie QB, do you honestly think Bruce allen WONT fuck that up?? We lucked into Kirk being a GOOD QB. And the only reason Bruce doesnt want to sign him is because Bruce didnt pick him. Mike did. If this were a Bruce Allen draft pick he would have already been OVER Paid.

BUt I should have been more specific. So I will... if the Redskins are drafting a QB in the first round, you can bet your last dollar we have more pressing issues than needing a rookie QB.

 

[Yo Tee]

NOt at all. Because if they DONT win the Division, odds are it WONT be because of the QB. And while I know you get all giddy thinking about how awesome drafting a rookie QB would be. The reality is, if you are drafting a QB in the first round, more than likely you have bigger problems than QB.

And if WE are drafting a QB it also means we have a new coach, and a new staff. So while you might want to turn on Sports Center and hear how awesome our young QB is doing every week. IM perfectly fine if my QB isnt the feature spot every five minutes.

Look how well drafting a QB did for Philly this year. Rookie QBs are fucking cheap. Wentz is making $1.6M this year. Eagles are 6-1. Arguably his cheap contract filled up some money so the Eagles could sign other pieces to the puzzle. Smith, Jeffrey, Long and Blount have been good additions this year. Sometimes you gotta start at the QB spot and move outward, rather than keep the QB and build outward. Because eventually, that QB is gonna ask for more money. Money you can't spend on better supporting pieces to the puzzle. Look at Houston with DeShaun Watson. He's playing his ass off. Their running game is awesome as well. Foreman and Miller are a good team. Drafting a QB was their answer to opening up their offense. Like I said, it's naïve to think drafting a QB is the complete answer, you need a supporting cast around that QB in order to be successful. With that said, Washington has 2 options:

You either pay KC what he wants, keep with the current success of the team and hope you can add a good supporting cast around him
OR
You draft a QB on a cheap rookie contract, add a great supporting cast around him and home you can have better success

Carr in Oakland
Dak in Dallas
Wentz in Philly
Watson in Houston
Mariota in Tennessee
Jameis in Tampa Bay
Luck in Indianapolis
Wilson in Seattle

 

[deanpet21]

Houston was in the playoffs two years ago.

KC was in the playoffs last year.

Can it work?? Sure. Does it usually work for this franchise?? Fuck no. If we trade up, or draft a rookie QB, do you honestly think Bruce allen WONT fuck that up?? We lucked into Kirk being a GOOD QB. And the only reason Bruce doesnt want to sign him is because Bruce didnt pick him. Mike did. If this were a Bruce Allen draft pick he would have already been OVER Paid.

I don't think we are going to have to trade up in this years draft to land a QB. Look at the possible FA QB;s plus the draft QB's there will be plenty to choose from. Plus what is Alex Smith worth in FA? We were in the playoffs two years ago too. that is not the only reason why Bruce doesn't want to sign him.

 

[skinsdad62]

An example of the stellar wr play garçon and Jax couldn’t produce by our current wr group

 

[skinsdad62]

Look how well drafting a QB did for Philly this year. Rookie QBs are fucking cheap. Wentz is making $1.6M this year. Eagles are 6-1. Arguably his cheap contract filled up some money so the Eagles could sign other pieces to the puzzle. Smith, Jeffrey, Long and Blount have been good additions this year. Sometimes you gotta start at the QB spot and move outward, rather than keep the QB and build outward. Because eventually, that QB is gonna ask for more money. Money you can't spend on better supporting pieces to the puzzle. Look at Houston with DeShaun Watson. He's playing his ass off. Their running game is awesome as well. Foreman and Miller are a good team. Drafting a QB was their answer to opening up their offense. Like I said, it's naïve to think drafting a QB is the complete answer, you need a supporting cast around that QB in order to be successful. With that said, Washington has 2 options:

You either pay KC what he wants, keep with the current success of the team and hope you can add a good supporting cast around him
OR
You draft a QB on a cheap rookie contract, add a great supporting cast around him and home you can have better success

Carr in Oakland
Dak in Dallas
Wentz in Philly
Watson in Houston
Mariota in Tennessee
Jameis in Tampa Bay
Luck in Indianapolis
Wilson in Seattle

There isn’t a qb on that list that KC doesn’t compare with

 

[Sharkinva]

Look how well drafting a QB did for Philly this year. Rookie QBs are fucking cheap. Wentz is making $1.6M this year. Eagles are 6-1. Arguably his cheap contract filled up some money so the Eagles could sign other pieces to the puzzle. Smith, Jeffrey, Long and Blount have been good additions this year. Sometimes you gotta start at the QB spot and move outward, rather than keep the QB and build outward. Because eventually, that QB is gonna ask for more money. Money you can't spend on better supporting pieces to the puzzle. Look at Houston with DeShaun Watson. He's playing his ass off. Their running game is awesome as well. Foreman and Miller are a good team. Drafting a QB was their answer to opening up their offense. Like I said, it's naïve to think drafting a QB is the complete answer, you need a supporting cast around that QB in order to be successful. With that said, Washington has 2 options:

You either pay KC what he wants, keep with the current success of the team and hope you can add a good supporting cast around him
OR
You draft a QB on a cheap rookie contract, add a great supporting cast around him and home you can have better success

Carr in Oakland
Dak in Dallas
Wentz in Philly
Watson in Houston
Mariota in Tennessee
Jameis in Tampa Bay
Luck in Indianapolis
Wilson in Seattle

Yes, I agree it has worked out fabulously for the Eagles. Guess what.. this aint the Eagles. Bruce Allen picking a QB is like asking Jared from Subway to babysit your teen age daughter.... that shit is bound to go wrong in the worst possible manor. We finally.. after what 20 years... have a GOOD QB, a franchise QB. We didnt have to trade an ass ton of draft picks, or finish 1-15 to get this guy... And you and some of our more challenged fans want to see them go back into QB purgatory because you are worried about Dan Snyders wallet??


Of those QBs you named, Dak and Wilson went to teams that were in alot better shape. Philly took it up the butt in a trade. Tampa, Tennesse and the Colts sucked in order to draft their wonderkids.


If we were starting I dont know, Colt McCoy... I would be the first to say we NEED to draft a QB. But again the only reason NOT to resign Cousins is if

1. you just get excited over rookie QBs
2. You have some personal reason for not liking Cousins.

Saving Dan a few million in cap space is at about the bottom of my list, right below a root canal with no novocain, Or a Tax Audit a week after I get back from Vacation.

 

[Yo Tee]

There isn’t a qb on that list that KC doesn’t compare with

It's not comparing QB to QB. It's a list of where drafting a QB has improve a team and made the team more successful.

 

[Sharkinva]

I don't think we are going to have to trade up in this years draft to land a QB. Look at the possible FA QB;s plus the draft QB's there will be plenty to choose from. Plus what is Alex Smith worth in FA? We were in the playoffs two years ago too. that is not the only reason why Bruce doesn't want to sign him.

Again.. if we HAVE a franchise QB. Why do we NEED to draft a rookie unless we are going to NOT sign our Franchise QB??

The only reason to NOT sign Cousins is your infatuation with a rookie.. in which case you most assuredly WILL need to trade up to ensure you get your guy (See Eagles)

Saving Cap Space is a poor reason in my book because

1. You have to spend it some where to remain cap compliant
2. We already know Kirk is a good QB, so what money we save would likely go into guys like Pryor any way.

 

[Sharkinva]

So do me a favor Terry.... do that same kind of list, but only include Redskins QBs drafted over say the last 20 years.

Tell me which ones actually Improved the Redskins on the field, and not just on the sports center weekly blurb??