The Globe and Mail/TSN "Why not Canada" series

[BOSSMANPC]

I know that David Thomson has a boatload of money, but will the gate revenues at the MTS Centre still be enough for the Jets to ice a competitive team? I would still see them being a "close to the cap floor team".

Having said that, spending money doesn't guarantee a winning team, but being close to the cap floor makes it very difficult to win in the NHL.

Good point, It's a business for most of these guy's and making money is the priority winning is secondary. I don't care if they are Canadian or American.

Sabres fans can relate to that with B. T. Golisanblow. He's happy he makes money because they sell out. Winning a cup is another thing.

JMO.

 

[Darkstone42]

You keep saying this but its not like there is magically more money to be had from Canadian hockey fans. All that will do is take money that the Winnepeg population now spends on other teams.

Canada is already so bonkers over hockey that I don't see moving another team there generating more fans and money.

That said I would not be against a team moving up north at all, in fact I would prefer it to another Atlanta or Florida but your arguement is BS.

I don't think the effect would be necessarily additive, but adding another team to Canada would generate greater revenue. How? Well, not by creating more fans of the sport and league, as they've already been created in Canada, but certainly by providing more means and incentive through which those fans can invest into the league.

You add another team, you add another stadium, you're therefore adding more opportunities for ticket sales. It is very likely that, in Canada, all of those opportunities would be seized. So now you've added an entire stadium of ticket sales to NHL revenue for 41 games. Let's assume that the addition is 5000 fans per game. Assuming a ticket price of $50 (NHL Average Ticket Prices Up 7.7% To $48.72), that would be an additional $10,250,000 per year. Since Canadian teams average about $60 per ticket (eliminating the outlier of Maple Leafs tickets), it would be an additional $12,300,000 per year. That doesn't even factor in premium and luxury seats, either, if I read the Web site from which I got my ticket price information correctly.

Alone, that would be a 0.41% increase in Revenue for the NHL. And that's without considering TV contracts, merchandise sales, and any other means through which the team could bring in money. Another team in Canada would, indeed, bring in more money to the League, even if not additively, and that amount would be significant.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

You keep saying this but its not like there is magically more money to be had from Canadian hockey fans. All that will do is take money that the Winnepeg population now spends on other teams.

Canada is already so bonkers over hockey that I don't see moving another team there generating more fans and money.

while i agree money might be siphoned away from other teams (actually its just one other team : the CFL Blue Bombers , the AHL Moose would move), there is no question in my mind that more revenue would be generated in Winnipeg than alot of current franchises that have more comp'ed tickets than actual sales ... its not outrageously more ... but the point is, its more (lol)

 

[Dupster]

You keep saying this but its not like there is magically more money to be had from Canadian hockey fans. All that will do is take money that the Winnepeg population now spends on other teams.

Canada is already so bonkers over hockey that I don't see moving another team there generating more fans and money.

That said I would not be against a team moving up north at all, in fact I would prefer it to another Atlanta or Florida but your arguement is BS.

Right. People in Winnipeg buy jerseys and watch hockey on tv, but no way any of them could possibly fill the rink up more than Phoenix or the Isles. Well, LOL @ you.

The average Canadian in (insert any city) is much, MUCH more willing to spend their fun money on hockey than the average American in (insert any city).

There are only NHL teams in six Canadian cities, yes, but don't make it sound like only those six Canadian cities are the only cities in Canada with hockey fans.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

I know that David Thomson has a boatload of money, but will the gate revenues at the MTS Centre still be enough for the Jets to ice a competitive team? I would still see them being a "close to the cap floor team".

Having said that, spending money doesn't guarantee a winning team, but being close to the cap floor makes it very difficult to win in the NHL.

I agree with this ... the jets struggled with an 18 million dollar payroll and now the payroll floor is 43 mill?

the first order of business would be to hire Craig Heisinger as their GM because you would need to have a shrewd evaluator of talent like him

 

[Slimpikins]

Right. People in Winnipeg buy jerseys and watch hockey on tv, but no way any of them could possibly fill the rink up more than Phoenix or the Isles. Well, LOL @ you.

The average Canadian in (insert any city) is much, MUCH more willing to spend their fun money on hockey than the average American in (insert any city).

There are only NHL teams in six Canadian cities, yes, but don't make it sound like only those six Canadian cities are the only cities in Canada with hockey fans.

They will defenitely outdraw the struggling American teams at the gate, there is no question about that. But that wasn't what you were saying. 1/5 of the teams produce 1/3 of the revenue. That was your arguement for moving a team to Canada.

I am saying that with the more teams you move up there that ratio will start to decline. You will generate more ticket sales but that has never been the concern with Winnepeg.

Corporate support, luxury boxes, and lucrative tv deals are where Winnepeg struggles (from what I hear, I am by no means an expert on the Canadian market). The fans in that part of Canada already watch hockey on tv. Are they going to get corporate support and fill out luxury boxes? Will there be more TV revenues than there are currently?

I don't think any of the problems that I have face Winnepeg have anything to do with how well Tornto or Montreal does financially.

Like I said earlier I would rather see a team in Canada than slowly dying in another non hockey market, it is good for the sport and helps the leaugue as a whole but the 'we produce more revenue with fewer teams' is a flawed arguement.

 

[IPostedWhat]

I think Buffalo would be more worried about another team in Toronto/Hamilton than Toronto.

Buffalo sure would, but Toronto will have more influence over the decision than anyone else.

Ballsrsilly just needs to convince the Teacher's Union that he deserves a team.

 

[Dupster]

They will defenitely outdraw the struggling American teams at the gate, there is no question about that. But that wasn't what you were saying. 1/5 of the teams produce 1/3 of the revenue. That was your arguement for moving a team to Canada.

I am saying that with the more teams you move up there that ratio will start to decline. You will generate more ticket sales but that has never been the concern with Winnepeg..

The ratio will indeed decline, but it doesn't change the FACT that it's quite obvious to anyone with a brain that Winnipeg is a better moneymaker than Phoenix. Or Nashville. Or Atlanta.. insert another half-dozen of your choosing.

 

[Dupster]

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Corporate support, luxury boxes, and lucrative tv deals are where Winnepeg struggles (from what I hear, I am by no means an expert on the Canadian market). The fans in that part of Canada already watch hockey on tv. Are they going to get corporate support and fill out luxury boxes? Will there be more TV revenues than there are currently?.

Like I said earlier I would rather see a team in Canada than slowly dying in another non hockey market, it is good for the sport and helps the leaugue as a whole but the 'we produce more revenue with fewer teams' is a flawed arguement.

Yes, there's a ton of hockey on tv already. Between TSN, Sportsnet, and CBC there's about six or seven games per week on tv. Doesn't change the FACT that the Canadian teams sell out on a regular basis. Now look at Phoenix, the Isles, Nashville, Atlanta.... again, add another half-dozen of your choosing.

Canucks fans in BC can watch about 70/82 games for free on tv every year. Doesn't change the 100% gate attendence at all.

And it's not a flawed argument. 1/5 of the NHL produces 1/3 of the revenue. Another team would equal more revenue. Hell, taking out some US teams would create some more revenue as well. Once the Sharks go into the tank for a half-decade they could very well be added to the list, too.

The only flawed logic is between your ears

 

[elocomotive]

The only flawed logic is between your ears

How about we skip ^ and the "LOL @ you"s and show some respect for other people's opinions on here? This ain't the Swamp.

 

[Dupster]

How about getting rid of every post with fuck in it? Swearing is quite immature, and worthy of the swamp, don't ya think?

 

[Dupster]

And I LOVE the string of "FIRST" posts on the conference boards. Classy. And indepth analysis. All in one.

LOL

 

[Darkstone42]

So anyway, I was just thinking about money and how I'd like to have it...

EDIT: The reason I say this is that we've talked so much about revenue and how much money it takes to operate these teams and how much money these owners have, and I just would love to have that kind of money to, I don't know, buy a hockey team with it.

 

[Dupster]

Agreed

/insert gif
/insert smily
and a lol for good measure.

There, completely acceptable.... on a hockey board? Hmm. Maybe not. Half the people here are simply worried about post counts and rep power.

 

[beantownmaniac]

Agreed

/insert gif
/insert smily
and a lol for good measure.

There, completely acceptable.... on a hockey board? Hmm. Maybe not. Half the people here are simply worried about post counts and rep power.

you could always find another hockey board that is up to your lofty standards

 

[Darkstone42]

Agreed

/insert gif
/insert smily
and a lol for good measure.

There, completely acceptable.... on a hockey board? Hmm. Maybe not. Half the people here are simply worried about post counts and rep power.

Refer to edit. =P (In my defense, smileys have always been an integral part of my posting, and my emails, texts, Facebook intereactions, etc.)

I mean, think about it. How awesome would it be to own a hockey team? You could run it however you liked. You could use it to impact your community in the manner of your choosing.

And that brings me to another point:

When considering where these relocations should happen, should the NHL's primary consideration be money or happiness? That is to say, should they go where they can get the most money or where they can bring joy to the most people? I mean, I know as a business they'll likely go to the money, and by business model, they should go for the money, but from an entirely purist point of view, thinking about the game, and only the game, shouldn't the team go where it would be most appreciated?

Okay, I'm getting off my idealistic soap box. I was just thinking about that in this thread and thought I'd bring it up.

 

[Dupster]

I could. I simply follow the TOS, and like to talk smack about hockey. While on a hockey board. Ya, I know, imagine that !!!

FYI:

Just a few rules.

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4. There are several words that you cannot write for various reasons. You will figure it out.

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Let me know what I'm guilty of. I can pick out a few for others, like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and currently 7.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/sports-forum-rules/3564-sports-forum-rules.html

 

[elocomotive]

How about getting rid of every post with fuck in it? Swearing is quite immature, and worthy of the swamp, don't ya think?

I don't know how that's relevant to my comment. My point was that mutual respect is highly valued on this Board.

 

[Dupster]

Point taken....and I'm now over it.

 

[IPostedWhat]

My wife makes a lot of excuses as well.

It doesn't change the fact that she's bitching just to be a bitch.