TC day 6

[j_y19]

I think the thing I think about is do you hear Manning or Brady making excuses for everything? When he talks like this I think he sounds more like Donovan McNabb. Hell Jason Campbell who had 8 OC's in 8 years didn't blame everyone else like Robert does.

I don't know how this plays in other parts of the country but people in this area when you listen to the radio, watch TV or read the news feel the same. Just shut up and play. Coming in to work this morning I listened to Adam Schefter detail all the things Griffin did to make sure he did play in week 1. He said the same thing I did. Just play, if you play well it all goes away. I think that is what most of us are saying, last year is done and over ... lets move on.

Agreed. This is exactly why Allen's statement about last year should have never been said in the press. Because then Robert gets asked and he starts, all over again, revisionist history. And those of us that had begun to put it in the past (fans, media, teammates), get drawn back into remembering what it was about Robert that concerned us and we see that he still hasn't matured. He still deflects any responsibility for last year.

 

[Sportster 72]

Agreed. This is exactly why Allen's statement about last year should have never been said in the press. Because then Robert gets asked and he starts, all over again, revisionist history. And those of us that had begun to put it in the past (fans, media, teammates), get drawn back into remembering what it was about Robert that concerned us and we see that he still hasn't matured. He still deflects any responsibility for last year.

This is the last time I am going to beat this horse or otherwise I am guilty of the same thing. Anyhow that is my fear. When you have someone that doesn't take responsibility they usually end up being of lesser quality than you hoped. We'll hope for the best and see how it works out. I think Gruden is cut from a different cloth and Griffin is still young so maybe the coach can help the player.

 

[skinsdad62]

dad, I am not going to go through the semantics of what happened last year for the umpteenth time. I don't care anymore. My beef is EVERYone needs to let it go. We have all heard the old adage "you can't make things better until you let go of the past."

No excuses, just get better. Or as my old coach used to say "shut up and play!!"

I want to see Bruce Allen, Robert Griffin et al to forget about last year and concentrate on this year. That's it. You don't hear Gruden bringing it up. Why can't they let it go too?

well i got news for you . it isnt going to be that easy

shanahan had complete control of the operation period . it was in his contract . the facts are he didnt run away from controversy with AH or DMAC and i doubt he ran away from it with RG3

he , RG3 the FO all got caught up in week one and didnt take a step back and look at the big picture

i wont blame them because i fell into that trap myself

the hole RG3 /shanahan story hasnt come out and i bet there is more to it

i dont expect a 24 year old to let it go . we have posters on this board to include me who "wont let things go " so how can i expect him to do what i cant myself ? and i am over twice his age

he answered the reporters question and he answered it honestly (in his mind ) i have no problems telling my employers what is on my mind good or bad . if you dont want the answer to the question then dont ask it

this thing has no affect on the team at all he was silenced by the previous regime and now its coming out

there will be more to come

 

[Caliskinsfan]

dad, I am not going to go through the semantics of what happened last year for the umpteenth time. I don't care anymore. My beef is EVERYone needs to let it go. We have all heard the old adage "you can't make things better until you let go of the past."

No excuses, just get better. Or as my old coach used to say "shut up and play!!"

I want to see Bruce Allen, Robert Griffin et al to forget about last year and concentrate on this year. That's it. You don't hear Gruden bringing it up. Why can't they let it go too?

This is exactly what drives most of us nuts. RG3 made it nearly impossible not to start him week 1 with both the campaign as well as the statement that Shanahan "promised" him. Dad seems to forget that. In essence, he was saying that Shanahan would have been a liar if he didn't start him. Could shanahan still kept him on the bench? Sure. But Griffin somehow forgets his positioning and statements all to frequently. He needs to STFU about it at this point.

Agree x 1000

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Gotta stop feeding the media sharks. Nothing good comes of it, ever.

When asked, start deflecting about the right things...last year

Just answer, "ask me about football..." That gem from Kevin Sheehan...

 

[j_y19]

well i got news for you . it isnt going to be that easy

shanahan had complete control of the operation period . it was in his contract . the facts are he didnt run away from controversy with AH or DMAC and i doubt he ran away from it with RG3

he , RG3 the FO all got caught up in week one and didnt take a step back and look at the big picture

i wont blame them because i fell into that trap myself

the hole RG3 /shanahan story hasnt come out and i bet there is more to it

i dont expect a 24 year old to let it go . we have posters on this board to include me who "wont let things go " so how can i expect him to do what i cant myself ? and i am over twice his age

he answered the reporters question and he answered it honestly (in his mind ) i have no problems telling my employers what is on my mind good or bad . if you dont want the answer to the question then dont ask it

this thing has no affect on the team at all he was silenced by the previous regime and now its coming out

there will be more to come

Thats the rub. What he didn't say was that I contributed to that mistake. He basically said it was all the previous regimes decision. Surely you can see that it's revisionist history, at best?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Thats the rub. What he didn't say was that I contributed to that mistake. He basically said it was all the previous regimes decision. Surely you can see that it's revisionist history, at best?

Still lacking some maturity. Hope that changes, and fast.

 

[skinsdad62]

Thats the rub. What he didn't say was that I contributed to that mistake. He basically said it was all the previous regimes decision. Surely you can see that it's revisionist history, at best?

surely i can see it was the HC's call . and if the 2x superbowl winning HC let his 23 yr old prima donna selfish finger pointing qb bully him into a decision he didnt want to make then that coach belongs in the street

he should have never made any promises he couldnt/shouldnt have kept

and for the 3rd time in this thread i have said all parties involved got it wrong and got caught up in the hype

at 24 i dont believe he will admit to anything . in his mind it was his job to be ready week one . it was the coaches job to make sure he was ready, in all phases , to play week one . if he wasnt he should have sat him .

but again me , the organization and others got caught up in the hype and made a mistake

 

[j_y19]

surely i can see it was the HC's call . and if the 2x superbowl winning HC let his 23 yr old prima donna selfish finger pointing qb bully him into a decision he didnt want to make then that coach belongs in the street

he should have never made any promises he couldnt/shouldnt have kept

and for the 3rd time in this thread i have said all parties involved got it wrong and got caught up in the hype

at 24 i dont believe he will admit to anything . in his mind it was his job to be ready week one . it was the coaches job to make sure he was ready, in all phases , to play week one . if he wasnt he should have sat him .

but again me , the organization and others got caught up in the hype and made a mistake

You're missing the point completely. I'm done.

 

[Sportster 72]

You're missing the point completely. I'm done.

 

[skinsdad62]

You're missing the point completely. I'm done.

there isnt any point to miss . i disagree with the whole premise period

 

[skinsdad62]

After Mike Shanahan soap opera, vanilla is Washington?s favorite flavor - The Washington Post

funny the biggest washington post hater says the camp has been drama free

this would be after the allen /Rg3 "pot shotting " of shanny that some of you think is the death of the team and that we "need to get over " because the imminent demise is near

seems to be a non issue with the players .

 

[j_y19]

there isnt any point to miss . i disagree with the whole premise period

OK, so what was the premise?

 

[skinsdad62]

OK, so what was the premise?

the premise is you feel he must take ownership for wanting , pressuring , or anything associated with coming back week one

and you think he should shut up and let it all go . i say he doesnt and so far its a non issue with the team

i say he does not

its his job to get ready and play and its the HC's job to make decisions on who does

he had complete control of the roster and ultimately it is his choice

if he succumbed to any pressure by the player then he was weak in that instance

you put a mike in front of a 24 year old kid and they are going to make mistakes shoot experienced guys blow it on occasion

and believe me shanahan is a known liar and he certainly threw DMAC under the public bus so i have no doubts that if shanny wanted to bench him , which he did , mind you then it should have would have and could have done it

if he made any promises he couldnt or shouldnt have kept that is also on him period

and he doesnt have to suck up or retract anything he says about a coach who very well may have treated him like dirt

you and i cant know that at this time

 

[j_y19]

Actually, those are just the symptoms. The premise is that RG3 has an issue with taking any type of ownership when things go wrong. He passes the buck. But he has no issues when things go well, he uses "I" quite often then. This is a personality flaw that hopefully he will grow out of , but if he doesn't it will cause problems down the road.

Trust me, I know you don't agree with that premise, either. I just challenge you to find once where Robert said, "I messed up here" or some other similar sentiment when concerned with the fiasco since his first injury. The scary part is that this flaw has occasionally spread to on the field issues (Philly game last year where he commented on how his receivers weren't getting open, yet he threw a forced int to end the game when Helu was wide open in the flat).

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Personal accountability is the issue. Griffin needs to mature in that respect. He's young and bright. Hopefully he learns.

 

[Sportster 72]

Actually, those are just the symptoms. The premise is that RG3 has an issue with taking any type of ownership when things go wrong. He passes the buck. But he has no issues when things go well, he uses "I" quite often then. This is a personality flaw that hopefully he will grow out of , but if he doesn't it will cause problems down the road.

Trust me, I know you don't agree with that premise, either. I just challenge you to find once where Robert said, "I messed up here" or some other similar sentiment when concerned with the fiasco since his first injury. The scary part is that this flaw has occasionally spread to on the field issues (Philly game last year where he commented on how his receivers weren't getting open, yet he threw a forced int to end the game when Helu was wide open in the flat).

The issue is not him wanting to play. it is blaming others and not accepting responsibility. I don't think anyone wants him to say it is all his fault, just quit blaming everything on Shanahan. And better yet just quit talking about last year. It is done, over, kaput and all that stuff. It is all very simple, if he plays well he will get tons of credit, if he plays poorly he will get tons of blame. The only one that seems to be smart about this so far is Gruden, he hasn't said a word.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Actually, those are just the symptoms. The premise is that RG3 has an issue with taking any type of ownership when things go wrong. He passes the buck. But he has no issues when things go well, he uses "I" quite often then. This is a personality flaw that hopefully he will grow out of , but if he doesn't it will cause problems down the road.

Trust me, I know you don't agree with that premise, either. I just challenge you to find once where Robert said, "I messed up here" or some other similar sentiment when concerned with the fiasco since his first injury. The scary part is that this flaw has occasionally spread to on the field issues (Philly game last year where he commented on how his receivers weren't getting open, yet he threw a forced int to end the game when Helu was wide open in the flat).

Yep