Su'a Cravens

[Sharkinva]

Malcolm Kelly? If so, didn't he have nerve damage to his knees? If anything, Kelly and Cravens are players who were terrible picks because both had injury concerns before being drafted yet were drafted anyway. This shit seemingly couldn't come at a worst time, but we don't know what type of safety Cravens would've made.

Haynesworth? Fuck him, and Snyder's triflin ass for giving him the contract he did. But that shit had Big Trouble in Little China written all over it from jump-street. You just knew it would end badly for the Skins in some kinda way. Haynesworth was an ass0 before he got to DC. Making him a grossly overpaid ass0 did the Skins no fuckin favors.

David Amerson - I was still posting on KFFL when he hit the scene. I can't speak too much to what was said on the hoop about Amerson, but the KFFL crew wanted him gone except for me. I thought he was still young enough and had shown some skills that he should've been worked with. You wanna talk about some toxic shit though. How bout the toxic shit fans say and do when a city or area collectively get down on a player? Cuz that shit seemed to be the way it was for Amerson. The entire home regional fan-base was down on him. Maybe that's the toxicity you see.

And all of these players were in DC for longer than a year. Besides, this newest deal with Cravens is something different I believe. The sudden retirement happened to the 9ers back in 2015 I believe. When LBs Patrick Willis and Chris Borland retired. A RB for the Giants also retired that year after only playing a season or two I believe.

I get what you are saying. My point was more, that I see alot of guys come to DC and maybe not retire, but lose their desire to play the game. I see guys come here, do good one year, then any raw talent they have had is either coached or simply driven out of them. When guys would rather retire, than rehab (young guys) to me thats an issue with the environment.

 

[Breed]

I get what you are saying. My point was more, that I see alot of guys come to DC and maybe not retire, but lose their desire to play the game. I see guys come here, do good one year, then any raw talent they have had is either coached or simply driven out of them. When guys would rather retire, than rehab (young guys) to me thats an issue with the environment.

What guys? The players you mentioned don't fit that criteria.

 

[Sharkinva]

What guys? The players you mentioned don't fit that criteria.

Guess we will agree to disagree. Still think the issue isnt the players but the environment. Got to rub you the wrong way just a little that guys would rather retire, go on IR or leave. And the only guys chomping at the bit to be in Ashburn, are by and large players who would be out of the league or at best backups if they were not on our roster.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Guess we will agree to disagree. Still think the issue isnt the players but the environment. Got to rub you the wrong way just a little that guys would rather retire, go on IR or leave. And the only guys chomping at the bit to be in Ashburn, are by and large players who would be out of the league or at best backups if they were not on our roster.

Disagree. I believe that you perceive things this way since you are more familiar with the Redskins than with other teams. Quite a few other players are now retiring early or considering it due to ongoing concerns with head injuries and long term effects on the body. Cravens is by no means the only player who thinks along these lines.

Beyond that the Redskins problems over the past are not mainly due to what occurs once they get to Redskins Park but rather their poor use of the draft and free agency. Players like Fat Al were not a problem because of how he was handled at Redskins Park but rather the fact that his fat ass should never have been signed in the first place. He was a head case even with the Titans & played like shit after he left the Redskins. He also had a terrible track record off the field & I don't think that the Redskins helped motivate him to be hanging out at bars on a regular basis (before, during & after his stint with the team).

The Redskins just need to continue to retain picks & that will help them long term. Then even if players like Cravens fail they can withstand the loss by continuing to accumulate talent. They could not do that in the past when they had so few picks We will see how this unfolds.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Disagree. I believe that you perceive things this way since you are more familiar with the Redskins than with other teams. Quite a few other players are now retiring early or considering it due to ongoing concerns with head injuries and long term effects on the body. Cravens is by no means the only player who thinks along these lines.

Beyond that the Redskins problems over the past are not mainly due to what occurs once they get to Redskins Park but rather their poor use of the draft and free agency. Players like Fat Al were not a problem because of how he was handled at Redskins Park but rather the fact that his fat ass should never have been signed in the first place. He was a head case even with the Titans & played like shit after he left the Redskins. He also had a terrible track record off the field & I don't think that the Redskins helped motivate him to be hanging out at bars on a regular basis (before, during & after his stint with the team).

The Redskins just need to continue to retain picks & that will help them long term. Then even if players like Cravens fail they can withstand the loss by continuing to accumulate talent. They could not do that in the past when they had so few picks We will see how this unfolds.

the last paragraph is gold

 

[gkekoa]

With these sudden retirements, that is why the NFL will never see fully guaranteed contracts.

 

[Krusheasy]

Disagree. I believe that you perceive things this way since you are more familiar with the Redskins than with other teams. Quite a few other players are now retiring early or considering it due to ongoing concerns with head injuries and long term effects on the body. Cravens is by no means the only player who thinks along these lines.

Beyond that the Redskins problems over the past are not mainly due to what occurs once they get to Redskins Park but rather their poor use of the draft and free agency. Players like Fat Al were not a problem because of how he was handled at Redskins Park but rather the fact that his fat ass should never have been signed in the first place. He was a head case even with the Titans & played like shit after he left the Redskins. He also had a terrible track record off the field & I don't think that the Redskins helped motivate him to be hanging out at bars on a regular basis (before, during & after his stint with the team).

The Redskins just need to continue to retain picks & that will help them long term. Then even if players like Cravens fail they can withstand the loss by continuing to accumulate talent. They could not do that in the past when they had so few picks We will see how this unfolds.

nobody has confirmed the reasoning behind Cravens decision to send out the group text message where he informed his team mates he was retiring.

some have speculated that there is a possibility other then injury ... such as immaturity. That he was told he would not be given the starting safety position but would have to compete for it upon his return from surgery.

as for Haynesworthlessness ... an argument could be made that organization did screw up handling him. When he was originally sold on the idea of coming to the team it was with the understanding we would be playing a 43 ... and that is not what happened. He didnt help the situation any ... so everybody is to blame.

 

[Stymietee]

With these sudden retirements, that is why the NFL will never see fully guaranteed contracts.

For as much as I want to agree with this ^^^^^the other side of the coin unfortunately will be, no football beyond the 2020 season.

 

[Stymietee]

Fellas, This all falls directly on Bruce Allen and here's why:

1. You don't blame the player for being drafted.

2. Even if Bruce followed SM's board to a tee, unless he's a mindless twit, and that's debatable, he still had to make the decision to do it when the time came.

3. A pure speculative statement follows: True GM's always talk to their guys, listening to concerns, gauging progress towards recovery, doing logistical work in terms of family ticketing etc....etc...etc. So this should NOT have been a surprise to the organization, especially at cut down and setting up PS time. I'm not saying that Bruce didn't do his GM work (again pure speculation on my part) but the timing suggests that his attention was elsewhere. (Maybe more concerns with team President duties??)

 

[SoCalWizFan]

nobody has confirmed the reasoning behind Cravens decision to send out the group text message where he informed his team mates he was retiring.

some have speculated that there is a possibility other then injury ... such as immaturity. That he was told he would not be given the starting safety position but would have to compete for it upon his return from surgery.

as for Haynesworthlessness ... an argument could be made that organization did screw up handling him. When he was originally sold on the idea of coming to the team it was with the understanding we would be playing a 43 ... and that is not what happened. He didnt help the situation any ... so everybody is to blame.

In terms of Fat Al - seriously? A true pro adapts to the situation & works with - and not against - the team. Fat Al also apparently bragged to teammates that he would be released & make money elsewhere. I find it hard to believe that he would have worked out better w/ a change in systems. Also - this idea of only one system is a fallacy. Most teams employ both the 4-3 & 3-4 at different times & no doubt that applied to the Redskins at that time.

BTW - did this change in system contribute to Haynesworth's alcohol issues & his inability to stay in shape? If so - again - he never should have been there in the first place. Perhaps the Redskins messed up to a minor degree in how this POS was handled when on the team. However - the much, much bigger problem was acquiring this sack of shit in the first place.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

the last paragraph is gold

NFL.com Draft 2017 - NFL Draft History: Full Draft Year

I hope that you are being serious. I am completely serious about valuing and retaining draft picks & being conservative in free agency. Take a look at the Redskins' drafting since 2006. Trent Williams & Ryan Kerrigan are pretty much the only players drafted between 2006-2011 that are still w/ the team & making a real impact. Two great players, but that is pathetic.

Cousins is the only real impact player from the 2012 draft (very ironic). More recently - save for perhaps last year's draft - we are seeing more players from the draft making an impact. Even if Cravens & Docston turn out to be busts the team will still be alright due to all of the contributors from other drafts to likely include the most recent draft. At the same time the Redskins have not gone nuts in free agency like in the past. This is likely a good thing since these type of players often are not worth it & eat up a lot of cap space (which should mainly only occur at the QB position unless you have an unbelievable player).

Busts are going to happen regardless. The key is having as many draft picks as possible & having more impact players than busts. We will see on this one.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Here is the moronic Eagles fan take on this situation (starting @ 2:10 mark). Are most Eagles fans this retarded? This fool can't even remember the name. City of Brotherly Love my ass.

 

[Stymietee]

Here is the moronic Eagles fan take on this situation (starting @ 2:10 mark). Are most Eagles fans this retarded? This fool can't even remember the name. City of Brotherly Love my ass.

Three take-a-ways from this guy:

1. He looks an awful lot like he's a member of the Gruden fam.

2. A close look at his hat and it looks like the bird is pecking on his dome.

3. What good is hope....if you don't exercise it? (Of course he could be right, let's wait and see!)

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Three take-a-ways from this guy:

1. He looks an awful lot like he's a member of the Gruden fam.

2. A close look at his hat and it looks like the bird is pecking on his dome.

3. What good is hope....if you don't exercise it? (Of course he could be right, let's wait and see!)

Pt # 2 is a great one - if only this were true (BTW - the bird would not have too much to peck on once he gets past the skull). This guy is going to have to workout a lot more to look like one of the Gruden kids (e.g. Deuce Gruden - Jon's son who is asst conditioning coach for the Redskins).

 

[skinz2winz]

Put the doughnuts down fat fuk and worry about getting out of the stadium in one piece after we destroy your teams arse because, in all likelihood, you will open your trash compactor mouth and some Skins fan will insert their foot right in it!

HTTR!

 

[skinsdad62]

Players aren't people in NFL, they're assets. Told what to do, when to do it, how to treat body, when they should feel right @Sua_Cravens

i dont think he is salvageable

 

[skinsdad62]

Master Tesfatsion‏Verified account @MasterTes 33m33 minutes ago
Su'a Cravens on Snapchat: "I don't feel like I need to explain myself. ...I think I need to follow what makes me happy." #Redskins

 

[skinsdad62]

• John KeimESPN Staff Writer

Washington Redskins safety Su'a Cravens didn't shed light on why he might retire -- but in a Snapchat Monday afternoon he said he needed to do what made him happy.

Cravens informed the Redskins on Saturday that he planned to retire, though it's uncertain if he'll stick with those plans after talking with team officials and coaches that night. The Redskins placed him on the exempt/left squad list, giving him one month to return.

Cravens has not addressed why he's thinking of quitting the sport at age 22. But on snapchat he said he wanted to shed light on the situation.

"I don't feel I need to explain myself. ... I think I need to follow what makes me happy, get my mental right, my well-being right and my family right," Cravens told his followers. "I'm not worried about the comments or what people think about me.

preseason game and required arthroscopic surgery, putting his status somewhat in doubt for the Sept. 10 season opener. It also gave him time to think as he began mulling over this career decision.

On Saturday, players who saw him in the locker room felt he was upbeat, except for seeing teammates who had just been cut clean out their lockers. In fact, earlier that day Cravens talked on a now-deleted Instagram post about how he had written in 11th grade that his dream was to play professional football.

After talking to some teammates in the locker room, Cravens then headed to team president Bruce Allen's office to inform him of his plans. On a group chat with the defensive backs later that day, he told them of his plans before exiting. One player on the chat said players were surprised and upset.




Mulling retirement, Cravens, 22, on exempt list
Redskins safety Su'a Cravens, 22, was talked out of retirement this weekend, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter. Washington put Cravens on the exempt/left squad list on Sunday.



Last season, Cravens upset teammates by skipping a day in the week leading up to the season finale vs. the New York Giants -- there was doubt about whether or not he could play because of a biceps injury. But considering the game's importance, his absence angered teammates. Then-general manager ScotMcCloughan spoke with him at the time, but there was no talk at that point about retirement.

One source said Cravens once went missing for three days while at USC, also while dealing with an injury. That was not known to the Redskins during the pre-draft process a year ago, a source said.

Some players have wondered how much Cravens loves the game, but not everyone in the organization believes it's about his passion for the sport. They pointed to the passion he displayed on the field as a rookie last season, taking on lead blockers with aggression and celebrating big plays that he or others would make. That's why they want to give him time to sort matters out and, they hope, to return.

The team has not addressed the situation publicly. Redskins coach Jay Gruden is scheduled to speak with the media following practice Tuesday

the skins should not comment on him at all other then to work out his issues and i would just say adios to him and his snowflake ass

 

[skinsdad62]

1. Paul Conner‏ @P_ConnerJr 17m17 minutes ago
   Whether it's practice, workouts, rehab, game prep or whatever, IMO, @Sua_Cravens sounds like a player being suffocated by the NFL life.
   
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   David Bovey‏ @DavidBovey 1m1 minute ago
   Sounds like a kid who doesn't know how to operate in an adult world. NFL or otherwise. Good luck to him.
   

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Put the doughnuts down fat fuk and worry about getting out of the stadium in one piece after we destroy your teams arse because, in all likelihood, you will open your trash compactor mouth and some Skins fan will insert their foot right in it!

HTTR!

He had the nerve to call Redskins fans fat asses. Someone needs to buy this guy a mirror or tell him to watch his own videos.