Studs & Duds

[Nelly]

I mean, Gabriel has been pretty great in his role. Miller was really reliable last year, I thought. Proved a lot through his injury. You're also forgetting Cohen.

The weapons aren't the issue. We have more than the vast majority of teams in football.

Vast majority? Not sure about that. And being deep doesn't really help unless guys get injured if that's what you're alluding to. Top line talent wins games. From a receiving talent standpoint, i'm not sure we're better off than the following teams. If we are better than any of these teams then it's not by much. If we aren't, it puts us about the middle of the pack as far as receiving talent goes, not including the running backs.

• Patriots: Gordon/Edelman/Brown/Dorsett/Harry
  
• Texans: Hopkins/Fuller/Stills/Coutee
• Chargers: Allen/Williams/Benjamin/Henry
• Chiefs: Hill/Watkins/Hardman/Robinson/Kelce
• Eagles: Jeffery/Jackson/Agholor/Ertz
• Rams: Cooks/Woods/Cupp/Everett
• Vikings: Thielen/Diggs/Beebe/Rudolph
• Saints: Thomas/Smith/Ginn/Cook
• Falcons: Jones/Ridley/Sanu/Hooper
• Packers: Adams/Valdes-Scantling/Allison/Graham
• Browns: Beckham/Landry/Callaway/Njoku
• Bengals: Green/Boyd/Ross/Uzomah/Eifert
• Bucs: Evans/Godwin/Perriman/Howard/Brate

 

[averagejoe]

Interesting, considering how utterly dominant the unit has been.

I think the Bears lead the league in sacks too and pressure is Pagano's thing.

Probably just me. All week I kept hearing how terrible Flacco is... guess I was expecting complete dominance.

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

We did run early and often. We ran 29 times for 153 yards (5.3 YPC) and a TD. We threw the ball 27 times for 120 yards.

On top of averaging 5.3 YPC. The line did not surrender a single sack against a pass rush featuring Chubb and Miller.

The run blocking wasn’t good. Take away Gabriel and Patterson’s runs, and our backs averaged less than 3.5 yards per carry. A lot of the rest of the yardage was created in spite of poor run blocking.

 

[Peter Gozintite]

I'm not usually the doom and gloom type, but Trubs and Pagano are our problems. You would think any average D coordinator could have this defense winning games on their own, damn near. Like watch some fucjing fim of last year, and implement that shit.
Trubs, again, as always, aside from one or two drives here and there, looks fucking lost. 3rd year, and virually no noticeable improvement to me. If they arent going to start using him more as a runner, he will never have success. He needs to be a running threat, so they are forced to spy him, and free up another receiver. The guy is never gong to be a pocket type QB, and we fucked up trading up to get him. They arent running enough read option either.

 

[Payton]

I mean, Gabriel has been pretty great in his role. Miller was really reliable last year, I thought. Proved a lot through his injury. You're also forgetting Cohen.

The weapons aren't the issue. We have more than the vast majority of teams in football.

I'd say the issue is the overuse of non-weapons... Mike Davis needs to back up Montgomery, period.... Patterson needs to be kept primarily on Special teams. Get back to the offense that DID scare people a little last season.... Involve Gabriel more, keep it up with A Rob, MORE COHEN and a healthy dose of Montgomery...

Someone tell Nagy he is playing around too much with his new toys!

 

[Nelly]

I'd say the issue is the overuse of non-weapons... Mike Davis needs to back up Montgomery, period.... Patterson needs to be kept primarily on Special teams. Get back to the offense that DID scare people a little last season.... Involve Gabriel more, keep it up with A Rob, MORE COHEN and a healthy dose of Montgomery...

Someone tell Nagy he is playing around too much with his new toys!

Hopefully he's just feeling things out and will figure that out on his own. I agree that Patterson shouldn't be on the field offensively more than a handful of plays, and Trubisky needs to be put on the move a lot more often, from roll outs to moving the pocket to options.

 

[BearsWillWin]

but Trubs and Pagano are our problems. You would think any average D coordinator could have this defense winning games on their own, damn near. Like watch some fucjing fim of last year, and implement that shit.

They've given up a grand total of 2 touchdowns.

Floyd dropped a INT before the Broncos got their only touchdown.

I really don't see how anyone could believe Pagano is a problem. That's borderline batshit crazy.

 

[BsGenius]

Pagano are our problems. You would think any average D coordinator could have this defense winning games on their own, damn near. Like watch some fucjing fim of last year, and implement that shit.

You are about as dumb as it gets

 

[Jiddy]

Pagano are our problems. You would think any average D coordinator could have this defense winning games on their own, damn near. Like watch some fucjing fim of last year, and implement that shit.

You are about as dumb as it gets

Every...f*cking...post.

Jesus.

 

[Jiddy]

Pagano is not on the problem list for me at all. The only thing we're lacking in terms of defensive productions is turnovers...but those will come eventually. There's too much individual talent all over the field that it is going to happen...but the scoring and yardage numbers are right in line with what we got last year.

 

[Nelly]

They've given up a grand total of 2 touchdowns.

Floyd dropped a INT before the Broncos got their only touchdown.

I really don't see how anyone could believe Pagano is a problem. That's borderline batshit crazy.

Agreed. I think the Denver air got to the defense toward the end of the game, and give Fangio some credit for knowing how to attack our defense with some level of success. At the end of the day, we've still only given up 23 points on the season, which should be plenty to win both games if the offense carries it's weight. But, the offense has only scored 19 points on the season, which is pathetic.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

I'm perplexed at the number of diehards in here who continue to cast some of the blame on Pagano. What part of 13 points total in 7 quarters, including 4 against one of the best QBs in football, makes him a problem? And if the Broncos game was played on a neutral, lower altitude field, you can bet your bottom dollar there wouldn't have been 11 points scored in that final quarter either.

 

[richig07]

I'd say the issue is the overuse of non-weapons... Mike Davis needs to back up Montgomery, period.... Patterson needs to be kept primarily on Special teams. Get back to the offense that DID scare people a little last season.... Involve Gabriel more, keep it up with A Rob, MORE COHEN and a healthy dose of Montgomery...

Someone tell Nagy he is playing around too much with his new toys!

Mike Davis had 3 carries and targets Sunday. Montgomery is not going to get 100% of the RB snaps. What we are doing with Davis is fine. He's a total backup.

Patterson's been a solid multi-purpose guy offensively for a while. I am so confused about Bears fans impulse hatred for the guy because of one run play up the middle. We were all pretty happy about his Swiss army knife capabilities when we signed him. I mean, shit... he literally has our only big offensive play on an end-around. I think he's being used perfectly. This is why you sign a guy like Patterson. This is how NE used him too.

I think Gabriel, Cohen and Miller's involvement comes when/if we figure out how to get Trubisky going.

 

[richig07]

The run blocking wasn’t good. Take away Gabriel and Patterson’s runs, and our backs averaged less than 3.5 yards per carry. A lot of the rest of the yardage was created in spite of poor run blocking.

Take away Gabriel and Patterson’s runs, and our backs averaged less than 3.5 yards per carry

Yes, generally when you take away your team's two biggest rushing plays in any given game. It will greatly impact your yards per carry. Taking away runs of 48 and 14 (I mean, just the 48 alone) are going to drop most teams YPC to an unimpressive figure.

When teams average 5 YPC in a game. It's not typically because they literally ran for 4-6 yards every carry. Generally, 2-3 pop off.

A lot of the rest of the yardage was created in spite of poor run blocking

I would ask how you might be able to qualify this statement.

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

Take away Gabriel and Patterson’s runs, and our backs averaged less than 3.5 yards per carry

Yes, generally when you take away your team's two biggest rushing plays in any given game. It will greatly impact your yards per carry. Taking away runs of 48 and 14 (I mean, just the 48 alone) are going to drop most teams YPC to an unimpressive figure.

When teams average 5 YPC in a game. It's not typically because they literally ran for 4-6 yards every carry. Generally, 2-3 pop off.

A lot of the rest of the yardage was created in spite of poor run blocking

I would ask how you might be able to qualify this statement.

I chose Patterson’s and Gabriel’s runs because they were gimmicky plays drawn up for mostly Non-running backs. They are not indicative of our run game. Had Cohen, Montgomery, or Davis broke a long one, I would have included it. They didn’t, because our Oline couldn’t open holes.

By watching the game. Montgomery made something out of nothing on many runs. I hate talking football with you. You’re a moron who thinks way too much of yourself. You’re generally a bears apologist. You overrate every single thing about the bears and chase off any good posters by being abrasive as hell to anyone who disagrees. I’m out.

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

Every...f*cking...post.

Jesus.

That’s a great metaphor for @BsGenius . He just copy cats my views and claims them for his own though.

 

[richig07]

I chose Patterson’s and Gabriel’s runs because they were gimmicky plays drawn up for mostly Non-running backs. They are not indicative of our run game. Had Cohen, Montgomery, or Davis broke a long one, I would have included it. They didn’t, because our Oline couldn’t open holes.

By watching the game. Montgomery made something out of nothing on many runs. I hate talking football with you. You’re a moron who thinks way too much of yourself. You’re generally a bears apologist. You overrate every single thing about the bears and chase off any good posters by being abrasive as hell to anyone who disagrees. I’m out.

By watching the game. Montgomery made something out of nothing on many runs. I hate talking football with you. You’re a moron who thinks way too much of yourself. You’re generally a bears apologist. You overrate every single thing about the bears and chase off any good posters by being abrasive as hell to anyone who disagrees. I’m out

Oh, the irony here. lol. I'm abrasive? I can't handle being disagreed with? Look at how you responded to a simple questioning of your logic on the Bears run game. Look at how quickly you resorted to personal attacks. You're so touchy man. I'm here to talk football. Once again, you have made this personal.

 

[richig07]

I'm not usually the doom and gloom type, but Trubs and Pagano are our problems. You would think any average D coordinator could have this defense winning games on their own, damn near. Like watch some fucjing fim of last year, and implement that shit.
Trubs, again, as always, aside from one or two drives here and there, looks fucking lost. 3rd year, and virually no noticeable improvement to me. If they arent going to start using him more as a runner, he will never have success. He needs to be a running threat, so they are forced to spy him, and free up another receiver. The guy is never gong to be a pocket type QB, and we fucked up trading up to get him. They arent running enough read option either.

The Bears defense has surrendered 8.5 PPG through the first two weeks. I think that the defense did just win us a football game on their own. No?

 

[Payton]

Mike Davis had 3 carries and targets Sunday. Montgomery is not going to get 100% of the RB snaps. What we are doing with Davis is fine. He's a total backup.

Patterson's been a solid multi-purpose guy offensively for a while. I am so confused about Bears fans impulse hatred for the guy because of one run play up the middle. We were all pretty happy about his Swiss army knife capabilities when we signed him. I mean, shit... he literally has our only big offensive play on an end-around. I think he's being used perfectly. This is why you sign a guy like Patterson. This is how NE used him too.

I think Gabriel, Cohen and Miller's involvement comes when/if we figure out how to get Trubisky going.

Monty 27 snaps
Cohen 23 snaps
M Davis 15 snaps

So Davis was still in on 25% of the snaps... Better than the 56% of the snaps he was in on in week 1 at least...

Look, this isn't rocket science. Our offense ran sufficiently last year. Get those guys going before fucking around with your "Swiss Army Knife"...

Again, gadgets and trickery work well once you establish an offensive identity. "Trickery", in and of itself, is a failure as an offensive scheme...

 

[richig07]

Monty 27 snaps
Cohen 23 snaps
M Davis 15 snaps

So Davis was still in on 25% of the snaps... Better than the 56% of the snaps he was in on in week 1 at least...

Look, this isn't rocket science. Our offense ran sufficiently last year. Get those guys going before fucking around with your "Swiss Army Knife"...

Again, gadgets and trickery work well once you establish an offensive identity. "Trickery", in and of itself, is a failure as an offensive scheme...

I don't think an end-around to a player good in open space is really "trickery". It's a rather standard play that we used in every game last season. We used it with Gabriel shortly after the Patterson play and it got us inside of the 5 yard line. That's just utilizing skill-sets that your personnel has to offer. I mean, we probably don't score a touchdown Sunday if we don't use Patterson on that play. I don't see how anyone could possibly be upset with the call. It's our only big play of the season.

So far as Davis, he's ahead of Montgomery in terms of pass blocking and I know we all want to see our new toy get played with. However, it's perfectly normal for a HC not to throw the entire kitchen sink at a rookie RB in his first month.