stevie is at it again...OSUoverBAMA argument

[boomtown]

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hmmmm

 

[recon]

 

[BoiseStateFan27]

I think it's kind of bad when stevie seems more logical than most of the Alabama fans

he actually made some good points

 

[rolltide14_0]

I think it's kind of bad when stevie seems more logical than most of the Alabama fans

he actually made some good points

You'll have to excuse Alabama fans for wanting their team to play for the NC, how foolish of them.

 

[boomtown]

You'll have to excuse Alabama fans for wanting their team to play for the NC, how foolish of them.

he was also busy calling himself the most influential person in cfb in the last decade

 

[BoiseStateFan27]

he was also busy calling himself the most influential person in cfb in the last decade

now that's where he's a homer

 

[bchampy]

You'll have to excuse Alabama fans for wanting their team to play for the NC, how foolish of them.

There's a difference in wanting something and feeling like you deserve it.

 

[rolltide14_0]

There's a difference in wanting something and feeling like you deserve it.

We want it, and we think Bama is the second best team in the country. That is all we say, I don't really like to talk about who deserves what. Someone else may deserve it more, like Okie st. or VT, but we as Bama fans are gonna feel like we deserve it, just like you would if UF was in our situation.

 

[HTM_Crim_Crush]

he was also busy calling himself the most influential person in cfb in the last decade

<-----sarcasm

 

[The Crimson King]

my hero

 

[yeodonie]

Sounds like Stevie really doesn't want to play Bama again.

I don't blame him as it is wholly unfair however having an argument like this come from him reeks of insecurity.

How cookie cutter of him.

 

[The Crimson King]

Sounds like Stevie really doesn't want to play Bama again.

I don't blame him as it is wholly unfair however having an argument like this come from him reeks of insecurity.

How cookie cutter of him.

You do realize you're on the same level as OD, right? Guess Oregon fans really are all the same

 

[yeodonie]

Calling Stevie cookie cutter is the same as OD? Okie dokie. I guess all Bama fans are toothless. See how stupid that sounds?

 

[uncfan103]

He made really good points.
1. I never realized the Alabama alums at ESPN.
2. Oklahoma states schedule is way better than Alabamas.

 

[Smart]

Sorry, not really pursuaded. He dismisses MOV, which is funny because nothing is more telling. An offensive team would be expected to have a much bigger MOV than a defensive one, and Okie State doesn't. Plus, Alabama's loss is one-thousand times better. Oklahoma State's wins might be slightly better, but that isn't enough to make up for the fact that they lost to Iowa State and not LSU.

I am actually a big fan of the LSU over USC post, which despite Stevie's neuroses lays out a really solid case for LSU being better than USC. This post just doesn't really raise near as many good points and he ignores things that suggest Alabama is better.

 

[uncfan103]

Sorry, not really pursuaded. He dismisses MOV, which is funny because nothing is more telling. An offensive team would be expected to have a much bigger MOV than a defensive one, and Okie State doesn't. Plus, Alabama's loss is one-thousand times better. Oklahoma State's wins might be slightly better, but that isn't enough to make up for the fact that they lost to Iowa State and not LSU.

I am actually a big fan of the LSU over USC post, which despite Stevie's neuroses lays out a really solid case for LSU being better than USC. This post just doesn't really raise near as many good points and he ignores things that suggest Alabama is better.

dont you think it makes sense for the team with the worse schedule to have a higher MOV? and what does the style or type of team have to do with MOV? A team with a good defense and bad offense should win by more than a team with a bad offense and good defense? that doesnt make any sense. Id prefer Houston. But Alabama being chosen would be unfair for college football.

 

[LSUoverUSC]

I am the most influential voice in college football during the last decade.

The margin of victory argument slightly favors Alabama, but that is to be expected from a team that has beaten only three teams that have a winning record. When you play no one, as 2003 USC did, it's easy to have a large MOV.

I do not want a rematch. It has nothing to do with security or insecurity. I am a fan of neither team. It is an issue of justice.

The reason many fans are bothered by this potential Bama rematch has little to do with "fear" and more to to with annoyance of the situation. Why?

1. This rematch talk stands conventional thinking on its head. College football operates under the assumption of lose and you're out. If you lose, it's out of your hands. While the BCS does not exclude rematches, conferences are set up, and have historically been set up to determine a champion. Said champion is awarded the opportunity to play against another conference champion (or at least a team from another conference) because of College football teams play roughly 10% of the available teams. That's a pretty small sample when compared to other sports. To omit and exclude the sample pool from the other 90% of teams, several of which have comparable resumes (OSU and VT in particular), has not been the way it works. This is irksome.

2. There is the assumption that a rematch would not be granted the other way around. I think there is a feeling that a rematch would not occur if it were any team other than Bama. Had LSU lost, they would be looking in. To compare, would you see Arkansas, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, or Auburn with the identical resume being propped up for a rematch?

Conversely, would Oklahoma or Texas, and not Oklahoma State be virtually dismissed from the conversation with the same resumes? I doubt it. A lot of it lingers from USC 03 where an LSU team with a clearly stronger resume was dismissed by the media.

That's the root of it IMO, not all but the base of people's frustration. Not fear, but sense that Bama is being given a mulligan when I don't think it woudld be given to others.

 

[TexasMan]

 

[LSUfanFloridaAlumni]

One thing that hurts the Big12 is the lack of good OOC wins. Their best OOC win is OU over FSU. That is meh.

The SEC has:

South Carolina over Clemson
Alabama over Penn State
Georgia over Georgia Tech
LSU over Oregon
and
LSU over West Virginia

All better OOC wins then anything the Big12 has done.

 

[boomtown]

I am the most influential voice in college football during the last decade.

The margin of victory argument slightly favors Alabama, but that is to be expected from a team that has beaten only three teams that have a winning record. When you play no one, as 2003 USC did, it's easy to have a large MOV.

I do not want a rematch. It has nothing to do with security or insecurity. I am a fan of neither team. It is an issue of justice.

The reason many fans are bothered by this potential Bama rematch has little to do with "fear" and more to to with annoyance of the situation. Why?

1. This rematch talk stands conventional thinking on its head. College football operates under the assumption of lose and you're out. If you lose, it's out of your hands. While the BCS does not exclude rematches, conferences are set up, and have historically been set up to determine a champion. Said champion is awarded the opportunity to play against another conference champion (or at least a team from another conference) because of College football teams play roughly 10% of the available teams. That's a pretty small sample when compared to other sports. To omit and exclude the sample pool from the other 90% of teams, several of which have comparable resumes (OSU and VT in particular), has not been the way it works. This is irksome.

2. There is the assumption that a rematch would not be granted the other way around. I think there is a feeling that a rematch would not occur if it were any team other than Bama. Had LSU lost, they would be looking in. To compare, would you see Arkansas, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, or Auburn with the identical resume being propped up for a rematch?

Conversely, would Oklahoma or Texas, and not Oklahoma State be virtually dismissed from the conversation with the same resumes? I doubt it. A lot of it lingers from USC 03 where an LSU team with a clearly stronger resume was dismissed by the media.

That's the root of it IMO, not all but the base of people's frustration. Not fear, but sense that Bama is being given a mulligan when I don't think it woudld be given to others.

totally agree with okie lite over bama