Sorry Giants haters

[calsnowskier]

I guess the rest of the NL shouldn't even bother next season, give them the pennant now.

Pennant?

Who wants a Pennant?

Those THREE flags look awfully lonely out there. A fourth is needed BADLY!

 

[Bolts]

Pennant?

Who wants a Pennant?

Those THREE flags look awfully lonely out there. A fourth is needed BADLY!

1 whole year without a new member must be painful for them. The place where the Padres would have their WS flag has been lonely for way too long.

 

[calsnowskier]

1 whole year without a new member must be painful for them. The place where the Padres would have their WS flag has been lonely for way too long.

Didnt you guys win in '07 after beating the Rox in 163?

Oh wait...

The umps won that game instead...

 

[Bolts]

Didnt you guys win in '07 after beating the Rox in 163?

Oh wait...

The umps won that game instead...

Still waiting to see Holliday touch home plate, shouldn't have come down to that with a lead and Hoffman but it still could have been different.

 

[Villain]

I'm actually Madison Bumgarner, I am the chick he porked in high school that has the same name that he does. We're from an inbred hick town where everyone is named Bumgarner.

 

[calsnowskier]

Still waiting to see Holliday touch home plate, shouldn't have come down to that with a lead and Hoffman but it still could have been different.

I HATE that argument!

Most games at the pro level are so close that a single play CAN make the difference. That argument basically states that the team on the wrong end of said play should be winning every game in blow-out fashion so that a bad call or close play will not make the difference. BS! The game is close. A single play or bad call can absolutely make the difference!

 

[Villain]

Matt Holliday is my favorite playoff athlete in baseball.

 

[cmc_rebar]

why can't they win 2 years in a row...

 

[calsnowskier]

Matt Holliday is my favorite playoff athlete in baseball.

In '12, he may have been single-handedly responsible for the Giants coming back from a 3-1 deficit in the NLCS to win. His takeout slide of Scutaro energized the whole team to wake up and win that series. Scutaro, who may have suffered a career-ending injury on that play, went on to win the series MVP and become the catalyst player that any World Series winning team needs to get past the hump.

 

[calsnowskier]

why can't they win 2 years in a row...

Because that is very very hard to do.

No NL team has done it in 40 years.

 

[Bolts]

I HATE that argument!

Most games at the pro level are so close that a single play CAN make the difference. That argument basically states that the team on the wrong end of said play should be winning every game in blow-out fashion so that a bad call or close play will not make the difference. BS! The game is close. A single play or bad call can absolutely make the difference!

There's no question the final missed call did make a difference and 1 call CAN make the difference in any game. I'm just saying had Hoffman not blown it like he did then there would not be the controversy over that final play that did very much determine the winner and it wasn't the right call. Losing a postseason spot because your HOF closer blows a 2 run lead is bad enough, but to then lose it on a bullshit call just makes it that much worse.

 

[Villain]

why can't they win 2 years in a row...

They aren't that good*, they just get lucky in the playoffs. The playoffs are a shitshow. That's the most logical answer that exists.


*Before you, the Giants fans, jump down my throat, you must agree and acknowledge that they were the weakest team on paper all three times they made the playoffs. That's what I mean. They're not exactly a powerhouse. They were underdogs and there was nothing statistically special about their playoff teams, other than the fact that they won. Congrats. Accept that your team was the lucky underdog three times, it doesn't invalidate the titles.

 

[calsnowskier]

Last year, yes. That team had no business winning it all. The offense was slightly above average at best and the rotation was passable (behind Bum). However, the bully was elite, but did not get the credit that KCs bully got. By the numbers, the SF bully was at least as good as KCs going into the WS, but only the Royals "Big Three" got any attention. But I do agree that past the bully, the 2014 team very much so over performed.

However, the '10 team was very misunderstood by the national media. The rotation on that team was simply filthy. ESPN was enamored by H2O and didn't realize that there was a BETTER rotation in SF that was simply younger and less known. And they looked at the season totals of that team's offense and assumed that was the team in the playoffs. Most of that team was put together during the season so the anemic offensive numbers were not representative of the team in the playoffs. Posey, Sanchez, Burrell, Ross, Lopez and Bum were all mid-season adds.

2012 was very similar to the '10 team, but with a more potent offense and a less potent rotation. Detroit was likely a better team, but the format killed them. Having to sit for almost a week while the Giants and Cards played super-intense baseball gave all the momentum to the Giants. If the Cards had won that series instead of the Giants, I suspect they would have beaten the Tigers as well. Baseball is a game of momentum and timing. Having a team sit that long is lethal.

 

[The Derski]

What an attention whore thread

 

[calsnowskier]

What an attention whore thread

Why didn't you send this message as a PM?

Maybe because you are an attention whore?

 

[The Derski]

Why didn't you send this message as a PM?

Maybe because you are an attention whore?

The thread is titled "sorry giants haters" when no one was even hating on the Giants... It reminds me of something a Seahawks fan would make in the nfl forum.

 

[Villain]

Last year, yes. That team had no business winning it all. The offense was slightly above average at best and the rotation was passable (behind Bum). However, the bully was elite, but did not get the credit that KCs bully got. By the numbers, the SF bully was at least as good as KCs going into the WS, but only the Royals "Big Three" got any attention. But I do agree that past the bully, the 2014 team very much so over performed.

However, the '10 team was very misunderstood by the national media. The rotation on that team was simply filthy. ESPN was enamored by H2O and didn't realize that there was a BETTER rotation in SF that was simply younger and less known. And they looked at the season totals of that team's offense and assumed that was the team in the playoffs. Most of that team was put together during the season so the anemic offensive numbers were not representative of the team in the playoffs. Posey, Sanchez, Burrell, Ross, Lopez and Bum were all mid-season adds.

2012 was very similar to the '10 team, but with a more potent offense and a less potent rotation. Detroit was likely a better team, but the format killed them. Having to sit for almost a week while the Giants and Cards played super-intense baseball gave all the momentum to the Giants. If the Cards had won that series instead of the Giants, I suspect they would have beaten the Tigers as well. Baseball is a game of momentum and timing. Having a team sit that long is lethal.

We both know how each other feel on this one. Neither one of us is going to budge. Literally the perfect candidate for "agree to disagree."

Spoiler

As opposed to the "I'm wrong, and I refuse to acknowledge your points. Especially because your argument is way over my head and I'm not willing to change my mind anyways so we can agree to disagree" that exists in other threads on this forum. *cough*MVP*cough*

 

[Villain]

The thread is titled "sorry giants haters" when no one was even hating on the Giants... It reminds me of something a Seahawks fan would make in the nfl forum.

I'm always hating the Giants (and the Seahawks).

 

[calsnowskier]

The thread is titled "sorry giants haters" when no one was even hating on the Giants... It reminds me of something a Seahawks fan would make in the nfl forum.

I'm always hating the Giants (and the Seahawks).

See?

Proof!