So say we use the non exclusive tag

[Stymietee]

First of all the more important pieces are Garcon and DJax, without them Kirk doesn't do what he has period.

That said, and assuming that I can get those two back, along with a newly minted #2 pick this year and with our own 17th (not to mention that likely top pick in 2018) I'm loading up. I imagine that the OP was getting at replacing Kirk without taking a step back. While I like the T. Taylor scenario, to me that just gets us where we currently are and I want to win now because of the ages of those two previously mentioned.

So I'll need a Qb who not only is familiar with this system, but is better than Kirk and there is a guy that fits that bill. I would throw one of my 4th round picks (probably #112) at Cincinnati for A.J. McCarron. This move immediately upgrades my QB position, as I see McCarron as better than Kirk coming in. (again, fuck you all...respect my choice ). I'm then both restocking the defense in Free agency and this draft, along with a few offensive positions. We get an immediate step up at the QB position and a chance to improve our win totals.

 

[skinsdad62]

Why doesnt he have the ability to read defenses?

Hes also probably a more accurate deep thrower although a less accurate intermediate and underneath passer.

look at the film i have tons of bad reads and poor accuracy , if he could those things the bills wouldnt let him go

 

[skinsdad62]

a j mccarron better the KC but he cant beat out the avg red rifle ? i would say stretch

as for KC and PG and Jax , depends on who is brought in stills and britt should be close

 

[ehb5]

look at the film i have tons of bad reads and poor accuracy , if he could those things the bills wouldnt let him go

eh teams make dumb decisions all the time. Not sure that proves anything. I think he reads defenses fine. Hes not Tom Brady but thats ok.

 

[Stymietee]

a j mccarron better the KC but he cant beat out the avg red rifle ? i would say stretch

as for KC and PG and Jax , depends on who is brought in stills and britt should be close

That ONLY proves how average I believe Kirk to be. Yes he's better than most anything that we've had in 20 years and yes he's set some passing records, but that doesn't make him better than my choice, it only proves how adjectively dysfunctional this organization has been in the last 20 years. McCarron is a far better QB than Kirk is in this system. He already knows it and has as much playoff experience as Cousins does. There is NO downside to replacing Kirk with McCarron, in fact it's an improvement! BTW: given the same circumstances, Kirk would not have beaten out the average red rifle either.

It's funny how so many here want to put so much stock into Kirk's passing records, a couple of winning back to back seasons and refuse to factor in the instability that was prominently displayed here prior to the SM era. That to me is the backstory on why so many want to go with such a myopic assessment of what we ACTUALLY have at QB.

 

[skinsdad62]

That ONLY proves how average I believe Kirk to be. Yes he's better than most anything that we've had in 20 years and yes he's set some passing records, but that doesn't make him better than my choice, it only proves how adjectively dysfunctional this organization has been in the last 20 years. McCarron is a far better QB than Kirk is in this system. He already knows it and has as much playoff experience as Cousins does. There is NO downside to replacing Kirk with McCarron, in fact it's an improvement! BTW: given the same circumstances, Kirk would not have beaten out the average red rifle either.

It's funny how so many here want to put so much stock into Kirk's passing records, a couple of winning back to back seasons and refuse to factor in the instability that was prominently displayed here prior to the SM era. That to me is the backstory on why so many want to go with such a myopic assessment of what we ACTUALLY have at QB.

sty that is foolish buddy . i dont know what instabilty you speak of during the SM era . it has produced 2 back to back winning seasons besides having the dunce at qb

 

[Stymietee]

sty that is foolish buddy . i dont know what instabilty you speak of during the SM era . it has produced 2 back to back winning seasons besides having the dunce at qb

My post was about the instability before the SM arrival.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

sty that is foolish buddy . i dont know what instabilty you speak of during the SM era . it has produced 2 back to back winning seasons besides having the dunce at qb

This is all based on him feeling slighted since the Redskins dumped that pretender who wears # 10.

 

[Stymietee]

This is all based on him feeling slighted since the Redskins dumped that pretender who wears # 10.

WTF???????????

 

[skinsdad62]

look you are not going to make the case to me that mcgloin or mcarron are going to sniff KC's numbers over the past 2 years

 

[Stymietee]

look you are not going to make the case to me that mcgloin or mcarron are going to sniff KC's numbers over the past 2 years

Fair enough, which is why I added that retort to my previous post. There is absolutely NO WAY to convince me that McCarron is not better, will produce, better numbers and more importantly more victories in this system, and is in fact a better option right now, given the OP's original question.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Fair enough, which is why I added that retort to my previous post. There is absolutely NO WAY to convince me that McCarron is not better, will produce, better numbers and more importantly more victories in this system, and is in fact a better option right now, given the OP's original question.

Later on I'd like more evidence to support this argument about McCarron better than Cousins in Gruden's system.
I'd like to make it clear, while I like Cousins - I'm not in love with him. I've gotten some heat about other QBs that could come in and thrive if Cousins was tagged and traded. This is not what I'd be happy about BUT if it could dramatically improve the team and still land us someone capable on offense I'm interested.
Perhaps after others say their piece - you can respond to this

 

[Stymietee]

Later on I'd like more evidence to support this argument about McCarron better than Cousins in Gruden's system.
I'd like to make it clear, while I like Cousins - I'm not in love with him. I've gotten some heat about other QBs that could come in and thrive if Cousins was tagged and traded. This is not what I'd be happy about BUT if it could dramatically improve the team and still land us someone capable on offense I'm interested.
Perhaps after others say their piece - you can respond to this

 

[skinsdad62]

Fair enough, which is why I added that retort to my previous post. There is absolutely NO WAY to convince me that McCarron is not better, will produce, better numbers and more importantly more victories in this system, and is in fact a better option right now, given the OP's original question.

there is proof , he cant get on the field in cincy because he cant beat out dalton

 

[Sharkinva]

McCarron has been in the league a total of two years. Has played in all of eight games, Gruden has zero familiarity with him because he was drafted AFTER Gruden came to DC.

 

[Stymietee]

there is proof , he cant get on the field in cincy because he cant beat out dalton

Again, under the same set of circumstances, Kirk would not beat him out either. I hope that this is the best that you have in way of arguing against, because if that's all you have, that's a really thin argument and says nothing about how he projects to play in this offense.

 

[Stymietee]

McCarron has been in the league a total of two years. Has played in all of eight games, Gruden has zero familiarity with him because he was drafted AFTER Gruden came to DC.

OK

 

[Stymietee]

I hope that the argument isn't one that insists that Kirk performs well in Gruden's offense even with the change at OC and that there is no connection to how Dalton and McCarron performs in Marvin Lewis's offense even though Gruden was the OC there. Good for one and not the other anyone?

 

[Sharkinva]

I hope that the argument isn't one that insists that Kirk performs well in Gruden's offense even with the change at OC and that there is no connection to how Dalton and McCarron performs in Marvin Lewis's offense even though Gruden was the OC there. Good for one and not the other anyone?

If it were that simple, but facts are McCarron has eight games of experience period. Odds are Gruden wont have any where near the level of trust in him that he likely would in Cousins. A QB with eight games of expeerience will not have the free agent draw that Cousins will. And if McCarron turns out to be the next Oswieler as apposed to the next Cousins, well Gruden is fired.


Lets also forget that the OC has been here with the HC and the QB. And it likely wont require teaching Kirk how to run our offense, but more so expanding on what he already knows of our offense. SO the two would be in totally different situations.

But again aside from that.. awesome idea.

 

[Breed]

@Stymietee

Heh. Fuck all ya all. Respect! .............That made me laugh.

AJ McCarron eh. It's imaginative for sure.