So I know its early, but

[Sharkinva]

What would be considered a successful 2016 for the Redskins

And what would get coach and GM crucified??

 

[Breed]

What would be considered a successful 2016 for the Redskins

And what would get coach and GM crucified??

Success:
Double digit win season. Actually, an 11 win or more season as since 1991 when the Skins rolled to a 14-2 finish. The best reg season w/l record the Skins have manged to muster is 10-6 and that's only happened three times from 1992 to the present. I ain't gonna front though, I wouldn't throw back a 10-6 season.

Consecutive NFC East titles would be the bee's knees. A playoff win or two wouldn't upset me.

 

[Sharkinva]

Success:
Double digit win season. Actually, an 11 win or more season as since 1991 when the Skins rolled to a 14-2 finish. The best reg season w/l record the Skins have manged to muster is 10-6 and that's only happened three times from 1992 to the present. I ain't gonna front though, I wouldn't throw back a 10-6 season.

Consecutive NFC East titles would be the bee's knees. A playoff win or two wouldn't upset me.

Damn, and I though I was being too lofty at 10-6 with a wild card and a possible win in the wild card round as success.

As for the second half of the question... Gruden and SMGM get nailed to the cross if we finish 7-9 or worse, or If Cousins has an average year no matter how the team finishes.

 

[Sharkinva]

What i would seriously consider a success though is if we can make it through a three year period with a coach signing, player trade or front office shift that is billed as a franchise defining moment. We have entirely too many of those and still end up being

Undefined as a franchise the past 25 years.

 

[kbso83432]

Successful 2016 is a division championship and another solid showing in the playoffs, even if it's another one and done.

Gruden gets crucified with a double digit loss season, Kirk implodes and turns into a int machine again and Griffin is somewhere killing it.

I think the only way Scot gets crucified is if he brings in another free agent class that either gets hurt or doesn't perform. It would also take him falling off the wagon again and his wife or himself ending up in the papers for something that was not football related.

 

[Sharkinva]

Successful 2016 is a division championship and another solid showing in the playoffs, even if it's another one and done.

Gruden gets crucified with a double digit loss season, Kirk implodes and turns into a int machine again and Griffin is somewhere killing it.

I think the only way Scot gets crucified is if he brings in another free agent class that either gets hurt or doesn't perform. It would also take him falling off the wagon again and his wife or himself ending up in the papers for something that was not football related.

I actually can see a double digit loss season. We need alot on defense, and Im not seeing NY AND Dallas being a dumpster fire this year. Add in the fact that we will be playing some of the top teams with a first place divisional winner schedule and I could see a step back.

I dont see Kirk Imploding, but I do see him leveling off and only being average to maybe slightly above average. But I agree, if Griffin is even average in the same span Gruden AND SMGM will get crucified.

 

[skinsdad62]

here is what i want to see , i want us to beat the teams we are supposed to and compete with and sometimes beat the upper echelon teams

team records and such will take care of themselves if we can do that

we are in year 2 of the rebuild and we as a team and a fan base should think in those terms

we need some more work at the LOS and the back 7 of the defense

 

[kbso83432]

Shark, there are two side to that coin (in my De Niro voice) Kirk gets a full off-season with the 1's. Jax doesn't miss 6 games and what we saw from the offense the last 9 games is what we get all year and then some. Remember we had NO running game. The schedule looks daunting though. But I will say this now, if we lose 10+, I'm pissed.

 

[Sharkinva]

Shark, there are two side to that coin (in my De Niro voice) Kirk gets a full off-season with the 1's. Jax doesn't miss 6 games and what we saw from the offense the last 9 games is what we get all year and then some. Remember we had NO running game. The schedule looks daunting though. But I will say this now, if we lose 10+, I'm pissed.

And I will flip that and say... we need at least 2 players in the secondary. A WR with some size, a center and maybe another starting O-lineman. And while I think Jones has some talent, he isnt a 16 game RB. So IM expecting 6-10 to 9-7 as we sit. And not because of QB play, but because we simply are not solid enough to win 9 games right now. And IM not even going to start on the fact that we need D-line and LB help as well.

BUt at the end of the day, I think there will be a portion of the fan base that will blame the QB and the coach if this team doesnt win the division regardless of how bad the defense and surrounding pieces are.

 

[Breed]

here is what i want to see , i want us to beat the teams we are supposed to and compete with and sometimes beat the upper echelon teams

team records and such will take care of themselves if we can do that

we are in year 2 of the rebuild and we as a team and a fan base should think in those terms

we need some more work at the LOS and the back 7 of the defense

Back to the tempered expectations eh.

 

[Sharkinva]

Back to the tempered expectations eh.

I tend to agree with Dad here on the tempered expectations.

We are still in serious need on defense at all three levels.

We dont have a RB capable of producing AND staying healthy.

We need a WR taller than a hobbit, and I seriously think that we only have two actually legit starters on the O-line.

And Im not counting on Dallas and NY both flaming out again. Philly... well they are screwt most likely.

 

[Breed]

I actually can see a double digit loss season. We need alot on defense, and Im not seeing NY AND Dallas being a dumpster fire this year. Add in the fact that we will be playing some of the top teams with a first place divisional winner schedule and I could see a step back.

I dont see Kirk Imploding, but I do see him leveling off and only being average to maybe slightly above average. But I agree, if Griffin is even average in the same span Gruden AND SMGM will get crucified.

Losing 10+ games and Cuz being a half-year wonder would go deeper than a step back. That would mean last year is no different from, 2012, 2007, and 2005 and like the team they are a part of. Cuz is just another fraudulent player, Gruden a fraudulent HC, and while he once may've been a hellified GM stud. Scotty Mac apparently has lost his mojo.

 

[Sharkinva]

Losing 10+ games and Cuz being a half-year wonder would go deeper than a step back. That would mean last year is no different from, 2012, 2007, and 2005 and like the team they are a part of. Cuz is just another fraudulent player, Gruden a fraudulent HC, and while he once may've been a hellified GM stud. Scotty Mac apparently has lost his mojo.

I get where you are coming from. But I think the real issue will be that even if Cousins and Gruden perform to the level you would expect from a team in year two of a rebuild, fans media and the owner will see it as a failure. 2012 was smoke and mirrors. We need to rebuild this team in the right way, and I dont think we can expect improvement right now. I think we were a 6-10 team that over achieved. But the coach will still be on the hot seat, and the GM and QB will get strapped to the rack if the team shows growing pains. Lets not forget that when the coach made a seriously questioned decision.... alot of the fan base was calling for his firing.

I also think there is a portion of the fan base waiting AND hoping for it to fail miserably. Not to mention a portion of the media that will gladly pour gas on the flames if it starts out poorly.

So while i think we take a step towards normality and show that we arent there yet. Reality is, if the team doesnt take a step forward.... its going to get ugly.

 

[gkekoa]

A playoff berth. We still need time to improve the defense.

 

[kbso83432]

Make no mistake Shark, I agree, tons of work to be done. We have no left guard or center imo. No real ILB to speak of. If I'm Scot, I'm going corner in the 1st, all things being equal. We have no idea what Culliver will look like. Successful would be to equal what we did last year, what I am expecting is too early to say. Gotta see how fa and the draft shake out before I can put my personal expectations out there.

 

[Sharkinva]

Make no mistake Shark, I agree, tons of work to be done. We have no left guard or center imo. No real ILB to speak of. If I'm Scot, I'm going corner in the 1st, all things being equal. We have no idea what Culliver will look like. Successful would be to equal what we did last year, what I am expecting is too early to say. Gotta see how fa and the draft shake out before I can put my personal expectations out there.

I tend to agree. We need a center, LG and I know Dean will flip his shit,,, but i think our best RT is playing RG at the moment. So we need to upgrade three spots on the line. We need a CB in case Culliver cant recover, and a Safety, plus an ILB and two D-lineman....and a RB than can stay healthy.

 

[ehb5]

I think the 2 big things that would mark a successful 2016 are a good year from Cousins that gives us confidence in him so we don't have to worry about QB and seeing young players and rookies play well and improve and the team play hard. I'm less concerned with wins because I get the feeling we're going to regress in record next year. But I also don't think that's a huge problem, we should still be headed down the right path.

As for coach gm crucifixion I'd say it would take less than 6 wins and an implosion from KC after signing a big contact. I don't really see this happening though and I think KC, Jay, and Scott will all have their jobs in 2017.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

this thread makes me sick we are nfc champ start acting like champions , skins dad is right on win the games that we are surposed 2 , then we will'be'fine

 

[skinsdad62]

tell me we competed with good teams and even beat one ? answer is we didnt . so the next step is to do that consistently then the rest will take care of itself

 

[Breed]

We need to rebuild this team in the right way, and I dont think we can expect improvement right now.

The above makes no sense to me.

Given all the areas you say the Skins need to improve in. How can you not expect improvement right now? Hell, if they don't improve in any one of the numerous areas of the team you touched on in post #11. Then they aren't going about rebuilding in the right way, or a smart way, or anyway at all that would be beneficial for the Redskins.

I think we were a 6-10 team that over achieved. But the coach will still be on the hot seat, and the GM and QB will get strapped to the rack if the team shows growing pains. Lets not forget that when the coach made a seriously questioned decision.... alot of the fan base was calling for his firing.

I hope so far as the GM and the QB, especially if said QB is making 20 million a year or anything close to it. Cuz if that's all 2015 was good for, making Cuz a multi-millionaire who if he's smart with his money should be set for life. That would be disheartening on many levels including, but not limited to the GM. Cuz what you're basically sayin is he ain't no better than the recent GM clowns we've had at Redskins Park over the last decade. He just put some different lipstick on the pig and okee doked the shit outta my ass and a whole lotta other Skins fans.

Cuz if after 2 years of doing what he supposedly do, and all the Skins have to show for it from a "What are the on the field end results of Scotty Mac's 1st two years?" And the best answer anyone can come up with is, "We were a 6-10 team last year who overachieved and lucky to get to the playoffs. And despite Scotty Mac having two years to do his thing. The Skins are now a 6-10/5-11 team who didn't over-achieve and are slotted right in the wheelhouse that they belong." If that's the best answer after 2 years. Then Scotty Mac, Gruden, Cuz, Snyder, and any fan who has their backs or talks some of that be patient bullshit. Can suck the most swollen blue whale nuts in the history of swollen blue whale nuts.

I also think there is a portion of the fan base waiting AND hoping for it to fail miserably. Not to mention a portion of the media that will gladly pour gas on the flames if it starts out poorly.

If you'e predicting the Skins to lose 10+ games. The season should start pretty poorly as well and give the haters plenty fuel early on of which will last all season long.

So while i think we take a step towards normality and show that we arent there yet. Reality is, if the team doesnt take a step forward.... its going to get ugly.

Or maybe we actually are there already. Maybe this is the norm for the Redskins and their fans.