Smith Starts vs Tampa Washington Will Lose

[Stymietee]

Not saying you're wrong necessarily far as this organization not giving each the best opportunity to succeed. Not saying you're right either though. The reasons imo that neither succeeded with this organization ultimately falls on Griffin n Haskins themselves for their decision making. and in part on Daniel Snyder for involving himself in player personnel matters. I recently read an article where Haskins got the tag owners pet or some shit like that. Robert Griffin w/o question was tagged with such and lets address him first. Griffin point blank refused to protect himself. He made no effort to take advantage of the rules protecting QBs. The week he got hurt against Atl. It was dowwn on the Atl 3 yd ln. He went back to pass and he flowed out the pocket towards the right sidelines. He looked as if he didn't see any open WRs. But instead of throwing the ball away or running out of bounds. He haphazardly tried avoiding a tackle by cutting back into the field of play. I dunno if he lost his balance or was trying to get down, but as he was going down, LB Sean Witherspoon hit him concussing him and knocking him out the game. Cousins came in and finished the game. Now all that week there was talk about how he should've thrown the ball away or got out of bounds. Largely due to being on the Atl 3 yd ln and only having 13 yards of playing field to work with particularly since he was all the way over on one side of the field, shrinking the field that much more.

The next week against Minn with the Skins on their 24 yd ln. Griffin was back to pass, but pulls the ball down and takes off to his left. There was 1 Viking defender, a DB I believe that was between Griffin and the rest of the field, every other defender had flowed to Griffin's right. You don't see anyone, but Griffin n the Vikes DB on the tv screen for the rest of the play. Griffin could've cut back to his right towards the middle of the field, but instead he correctly continues to his left where he has at least 10, 15 yards before he goes out of bounds. He easily smokes the DB to the sideline and continues down the field for a 76 yd TD run. After the game during his post game press conference he steps to the mic and the first thing he says is something like this. Maybe I should've run out of bounds on that play huh. It was a dig at the talk a week earlier about him running out of bounds or getting rid of the ball as not to take a hit the week before in the Atl game. I couldn't believe it cuz it said to me that either Griffin doesn't understand situational football or he don't give a shit about it. Either way, not a good look. I realized then, Griffin probably won't be around long because he's gonna get injured. Sure enough, that's pretty much what happened when he drove head first which still allows def players to hit him and Haloti Ngata lit his ass up in the Baltimore game. He was never right the rest of the season after that. And that stemmed from Griffin's refusal to learn how to protect himself as he never learned to slide and continued to dive head first on running plays well into his 2nd year. That isn't or wasn't the organization's fault or Shanny's fault or Snyder's fault. That's all on Griffin. It is Snyder's fault that Griffin felt empowered enough to tell Mike Shanahan what plays he would no longer run and that he wanted to play QB like Peyton Manning. Like he thought he could simply say it and it would magically happen. So from my vantage point, even if the organization didn't give him the best opportunity for success. Had he taken advantage of being able to protect himself. He could've overcome the wrong move by the organization. What he couldn't overcome was his refusal to protect himself n Snyder's coddling did him no favors either.

Concerning Haskins. He simply refused to apply himself to becoming a better QB. Not only did he not apply himself, he continued to do things that displayed his immaturity. Trying to sneak folks into the Skins facility, partying w/o a mask, yet still he was given not a 2nd chance, but a 2nd n 3rd chance. And what did he ultimately do with his 3rd n final opportunity? He saved his worst performance of the year for it. So whatever the organization did as far as curtailing his chances for success. His off field actions and his on field play after being given multiple chances were much biggest factors in why he's where he's at now imo.

Far as grooming players go. Some players have developed nicely or so it seems in Washington. Curl, Holcomb, Reaves, Roullier, Iaonnidi until his injury to name a few. I will say they haven't had the best luck with QBs. But of the recent/semi-recent QBs that have been here. McNabb, Griffin, Cousins, Smith, Haskins, Allen. Daniel Snyder is responsible for bringing in McNabb, Griffin and Haskins. The only 3 that have played themselves out of Washington. Which says to me Snyder needs to keep his as out of the draft room, the FA room, and the and any other room that dir3ectly leads to Skins player personnel.

I can see your perspective, although once a player as been acquired, there are simply two choices that coaches have, waste the talent or give them their best chance to succeed. Not everyone learns in the same manner. Like that famous fly on a particular head of an elected official, some have to be made aware of their shortcomings, RGIII was one of these people. We all agree that Haskins is a knucklehead, I chalk that up to his youthfulness and hopefully you and I can agree that he, as it seems to be among a growing number of today's youth, just might benefit from life planting a well earned boot in his ass.

 

[Stymietee]

I could see Watson wanting out i believe JJ Watt already is talking that way

I heard a bit of talk about this yesterday, perhaps I'll create a thread about it, but at this moment I'll ask you. What would you be willing to give up in trade if Washington inquired and the Texans were open to doing it?

 

[Montalban]

Seriously Gomer, you haven’t showed a single thing. At that point in AS’ career, he had shown nothing To expect, let alone say WOULD, have postseason or regular season success.

Was it possible...sure.

Was it a guarantee...fuck no And fuck you.

Cletus please! Someone take the shovel away from Cletus before he digs himself further into this hole of ignorance he's dug for himself.

 

[tlance]

the most legit qbs we have a chance at are garrapolo and carr along with darnold (huge risk but low cost ) in my opinion that would fit your criterion you get into bidding wars we cant win going after stafford . ryan is too old and chews up the cap , dak is too expensive and isnt the type of qb you want on a big contract . rivers will retire if he isnt with the colts

What about Fitzpatrick?

He is a stop gap, sure, but none of the others are permanent solutions and he is likely to be cheap.

 

[tlance]

I can see your perspective, although once a player as been acquired, there are simply two choices that coaches have, waste the talent or give them their best chance to succeed. Not everyone learns in the same manner. Like that famous fly on a particular head of an elected official, some have to be made aware of their shortcomings, RGIII was one of these people. We all agree that Haskins is a knucklehead, I chalk that up to his youthfulness and hopefully you and I can agree that he, as it seems to be among a growing number of today's youth, just might benefit from life planting a well earned boot in his ass.

I said it when he was drafted, I will say it again.

Haskins has absolutely no chance of being a successful NFL QB. His issues extend well beyond maturity and work ethic.

He will end on on somebody’s roster next year, but beyond that he will either bounce around as a journeyman 3rd stringer or be out of the league within a few years.

 

[skinsdad62]

What about Fitzpatrick?

He is a stop gap, sure, but none of the others are permanent solutions and he is likely to be cheap.

a stop gap for whom ? we dont have a qb for the future but yeah you can add fitz to the mix

 

[tomcat1]

I like to feel it burn all the way down.

I'll check to see if Buffalo has EXTRA HOT sauce just for you.

 

[Breed]

I agree with this. Skinsdad blasted the QB change to Allen and wanted the high draft pick. Haskins was a disaster and RR knew it so he made the change. He couldnt understand that. RR saw a chance to win the division and he took it. But posters on here blasted RR for that. I dont get it. Isnt about winning. Fans on here wanted the team to lose which is unacceptable. All those fans should be called out. All the fans who still wanted haskins to paly should be called out.

Some peeps at the time, myself included, wanted RR to stick to the original plan of developing Haskins and the team for the future. So rationalizing the switch from Haskins to Allen by saying he wanted to compete to win a shitty division title. Wasn't a sound or good enough reason to deviate from the original plan. In large part because it would very likely result in a 1st rd exit from the playoffs, it would slow Haskins development and it would mean a less desirable pick further back in the 1st rd. Two of those issues are still very much in play in fact. I'm still going back n forth on whether winning the NFCE was a good thing or not.

And yes, its about winning, but winning what exactly? Winning the NFC East with a 7-9 record isn't really my idea of winning. Particularly if all the Skins do next year is finish in 3rd or last place in the NFC East. Which is exactly what has happened the last 3 times the Skins have won the east. I want the Skins competing for nfc east titles and Super Bowls on a year in, year out basis, not every 4 or 5 years apart n when they do win the nfc east they get immediately ass paddled out the playoffs with a quickness. That's not really winning.

I can see your perspective, although once a player as been acquired, there are simply two choices that coaches have, waste the talent or give them their best chance to succeed. Not everyone learns in the same manner. Like that famous fly on a particular head of an elected official, some have to be made aware of their shortcomings, RGIII was one of these people. We all agree that Haskins is a knucklehead, I chalk that up to his youthfulness and hopefully you and I can agree that he, as it seems to be among a growing number of today's youth, just might benefit from life planting a well earned boot in his ass.

Far as Griffin goes n trying to tell/teach him something. That's where Snyder would do the most damage if Griffin wasn't keen on trying to learn what someone wanted to teach him. Snyder in way or another would shut it down. I believe that's why Griff never learned to properly slide or protect himself. The Skins because of Snyder was the worst team for Griffin to be drafted by, much worse for him than foe Haskins even. Robert needed someone who would break his foot off in Griff's ass metaphorically speaking when it was needed. He didn't get that at Redskins Park cuz would not have allowed that. I agree with concerning Dwayne. He's a knucklehead, a fairly harmless one. Hopefully he'll get with the right coaching staff and learns from his hiccups when he was with the Skins.

 

[deanpet21]

Some peeps at the time, myself included, wanted RR to stick to the original plan of developing Haskins and the team for the future. So rationalizing the switch from Haskins to Allen by saying he wanted to compete to win a shitty division title. Wasn't a sound or good enough reason to deviate from the original plan. In large part because it would very likely result in a 1st rd exit from the playoffs, it would slow Haskins development and it would mean a less desirable pick further back in the 1st rd. Two of those issues are still very much in play in fact. I'm still going back n forth on whether winning the NFCE was a good thing or not.

And yes, its about winning, but winning what exactly? Winning the NFC East with a 7-9 record isn't really my idea of winning. Particularly if all the Skins do next year is finish in 3rd or last place in the NFC East. Which is exactly what has happened the last 3 times the Skins have won the east. I want the Skins competing for nfc east titles and Super Bowls on a year in, year out basis, not every 4 or 5 years apart n when they do win the nfc east they get immediately ass paddled out the playoffs with a quickness. That's not really winning.



Far as Griffin goes n trying to tell/teach him something. That's where Snyder would do the most damage if Griffin wasn't keen on trying to learn what someone wanted to teach him. Snyder in way or another would shut it down. I believe that's why Griff never learned to properly slide or protect himself. The Skins because of Snyder was the worst team for Griffin to be drafted by, much worse for him than foe Haskins even. Robert needed someone who would break his foot off in Griff's ass metaphorically speaking when it was needed. He didn't get that at Redskins Park cuz would not have allowed that. I agree with concerning Dwayne. He's a knucklehead, a fairly harmless one. Hopefully he'll get with the right coaching staff and learns from his hiccups when he was with the Skins.

RR made the QB change b/c it was best for the team. He thought we could win the division with Allen which we probably would of wrapped it up with Allen 2 weeks ago. He knew he had a great defense and wasnt going to throw them under the bus b/c of Dh's development. This is why I want a proven vet QB in the off season to make our team a real competitor Next year.

The plan is to win no matter how we got to the playoffs we got in. What if we beat the Bucs? What would the 7-9 record really mean?

 

[Stymietee]

Cletus please! Someone take the shovel away from Cletus before he digs himself further into this hole of ignorance he's dug for himself.

"Ya'll need to take my name out yo mouffs!

Signed here t'day____ Cletus Del Roy Montfort Bigglesworth Spuckler.

 

[Breed]

RR made the QB change b/c it was best for the team. He thought we could win the division with Allen which we probably would of wrapped it up with Allen 2 weeks ago. He knew he had a great defense and wasnt going to throw them under the bus b/c of Dh's development. This is why I want a proven vet QB in the off season to make our team a real competitor Next year.

The plan is to win no matter how we got to the playoffs we got in. What if we beat the Bucs? What would the 7-9 record really mean?

Yes, you were right about wanting to bench Haskins, but Allen didn't prove anything to say had he been QBing. The Skins wrap up the East two weeks ago. Not with his only victory being against the Cowboys when they were in full train wreck mode. 7-9 is not winning n if the Skins beat the Bucs that means an even lower pick in the 1st rd.

 

[deanpet21]

Yes, you were right about wanting to bench Haskins, but Allen didn't prove anything to say had he been QBing. The Skins wrap up the East two weeks ago. Not with his only victory being against the Cowboys when they were in full train wreck mode. 7-9 is not winning n if the Skins beat the Bucs that means an even lower pick in the 1st rd.

A playoff win for our fans would mean alot. Who cares what the record is.

 

[tlance]

a stop gap for whom ? we dont have a qb for the future but yeah you can add fitz to the mix

For us next year.

 

[skinsdad62]

For us next year.

cant fitz take us to a super bowl ? will he win enough games to take us out of the running for the next , great qb ? i guess for me to sign fitz i have to see who we pick up in the draft

 

[Montalban]

"Ya'll need to take my name out yo mouffs!

View attachment 261660 Signed here t'day____ Cletus Del Roy Montfort Bigglesworth Spuckler.

Got ya, Buckwheat

 

[Stymietee]

Got ya, Buckwheat

Sayyyyy!

 

[Montalban]

Sayyyyy!

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"Nookin for Nub in all the wrong paces....."

 

[pachyderm]

he is just a bad QB now with that leg

I do believe he is a better QB than most of us give him credit for.

But you'll lose anyway because Tom Brady is a very, very, very good QB.

 

[skinz2winz]

I do believe he is a better QB than most of us give him credit for.

But you'll lose anyway because Tom Brady is a very, very, very good QB.

I'm certain the WFT has respect for TB's career. Saturday night he will get NO respect from our defense.

 

[chillerdab]

In most of Tampa’s losses, Brady was sacked 3 or more times. In one of his losses where he was only sacked once, he was hit a bunch of times.

I read somewhere that the discrepancy between a brady that is comfortable in the pocket and one that has been hit a bit is the biggest drop off in the league.
In that case, its probably a good idea to blitz the shit out of him on the first drive of the game regardless of outcome, and make sure you get home on as many hits as possible, then see what happens when you show zero coverage and drop people into coverage (as opposed to sending them).