Smith Starts vs Tampa Washington Will Lose

[gkekoa]

Let me ask you something. Would you allow someone to drive any automobile when there weren't prepared to handle such dangerous machinery?
I suspect not and that's the point. This organization actually drafted guys who they WANTED to be what they were not at the time that they were selected.
We can debate whether or not the outcomes would have been different had either RGIII or Haskins sat. What's not debatable is the organization's failure to give them both their best opportunity to succeed. I'm aware of the in the moment dynamics, but that too points to who was in charge and who should have been. Washington has not been a good place to groom players, sadly, there's still no evidence that anything about that has changed.

I would possibly allow it in this scenario because the other option has dementia.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Its amazing to me that Smith has been on 3 shitty teams who all magically made the playoffs in spite of him . Thats some crazy good luck.

Chiefs went 2-14 the year before he got there but must have been just about to turn the corner when they added Alex and he came along for the ride

And how fortuitous for him to just happen to be the starter in 11 of Washingtons 17 wins over the last 3 years despite only starting in 15 of the 48. Man thats luck

#Sarcasm

 

[skinsdad62]

Let me ask you something. Would you allow someone to drive any automobile when there weren't prepared to handle such dangerous machinery?
I suspect not and that's the point. This organization actually drafted guys who they WANTED to be what they were not at the time that they were selected.
We can debate whether or not the outcomes would have been different had either RGIII or Haskins sat. What's not debatable is the organization's failure to give them both their best opportunity to succeed. I'm aware of the in the moment dynamics, but that too points to who was in charge and who should have been. Washington has not been a good place to groom players, sadly, there's still no evidence that anything about that has changed.

i believe they should have sit them both because both had the same issues . they couldnt operate a pro passing game .

but if they decide to play them they should have given them all the snaps they could if this was a rebuilding year . however saying that means you are a true fan to one person on this board

but we have to look at DHC 's work ethic as well . i havent heard of many hardcore sources but the cowards who hide behind anonymity say his work ethic in the classroom was not good and you do have flat out maturity issues with the 2 covid violations and the selfie incident that really hurt him and the teams view of him

hence i say its all snyders fault for forcing the pick on the franchise and then insisting he play when he wasnt ready

 

[MHSL82]

How a few seconds can make all the difference for Alex Smith

Washington's offense will work better if Alex Smith gets the ball out quickly.

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[deanpet21]

How a few seconds can make all the difference for Alex Smith

Washington's offense will work better if Alex Smith gets the ball out quickly.

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If Scott Turner cant figure out Tampa is going to bliz on almost every play then he is an ass. I except alot of screens this game and quick slants. If we get in 3rd and long is going to be tough.

 

[skinsdad62]

How a few seconds can make all the difference for Alex Smith

Washington's offense will work better if Alex Smith gets the ball out quickly.

www.nbcsports.com

that is a true analysis , and i dont think we have an answer for it other then heinecke . playing . so it all goes back to whether CDC is 100% healthy . if he isnt we cant win with him in there and this will be a problem for as long as we can advance

 

[skinsdad62]

If Scott Turner cant figure out Tampa is going to bliz on almost every play then he is an ass. I except alot of screens this game and quick slants. If we get in 3rd and long is going to be tough.

scott turner can only do so much , remember the bucs also know what has to happen to . bottom line is CDC has to be 100% healthy and have endurance . if not we cant win with him

 

[deanpet21]

scott turner can only do so much , remember the bucs also know what has to happen to . bottom line is CDC has to be 100% healthy and have endurance . if not we cant win with him

If we can catch them on blitzes could be huge plays for the offense. Im just saying this offense should be over prepared for the blitz. Todd Bowles is known for bringing the house now he has a qb that cant move so its not rocket science. The screen game has to work on Saturday.

 

[skinz2winz]

Ronald Jones, remember that name!
Two years ago I wanted Washington to draft this guy because what I saw in him was a much better version of what we now have in Gibson. This guy is a duo threat who only missed out on surpassing 1000 yards rushing because of two games missed due to Covid and a third because of a wrist injury. Tampa used Jones as a pass catcher as well, and like Gibson, he's extremely dangerous receiving in space and will, also like Gibson gobble up yards in a blink.

I'm with you man, they have to own the LOS and put pressure on Mr. Brady. That's an extremely tall order to fill.

It is a TALL order but the only order. Like your Jones/Gibson comparison and I'm very happy we have Gibson now. JDR must be creative at times bringing 5 rushers, mix n match with bringing "other" defenders (Bostic/Kurl/Holcomb/Corner) and dropping 1 rusher into coverage, disguise/mix up coverages etc. Another-wards, throw the kitchen sink at Brady!

 

[skinz2winz]

scott turner can only do so much , remember the bucs also know what has to happen to . bottom line is CDC has to be 100% healthy and have endurance . if not we cant win with him

what dean is trying to say is CDC cannot move, the house is coming!

 

[skinz2winz]

If we can catch them on blitzes could be huge plays for the offense. Im just saying this offense should be over prepared for the blitz. Todd Bowles is known for bringing the house now he has a qb that cant move so its not rocket science. The screen game has to work on Saturday.

AND, you have to hit a few long shots to remain effective.

 

[Sportster 72]

It is a TALL order but the only order. Like your Jones/Gibson comparison and I'm very happy we have Gibson now. JDR must be creative at times bringing 5 rushers, mix n match with bringing "other" defenders (Bostic/Kurl/Holcomb/Corner) and dropping 1 rusher into coverage, disguise/mix up coverages etc. Another-wards, throw the kitchen sink at Brady!

You have to get to Brady with 4, blitz too often and he will eat you alive. The guy has 20 years of experience.

Against Brady, you better be able to get 24 points. Even if the D plays well he'll get 21.

Like dad likes to say the WTF have a punchers chance. They are not supposed to win this game. Would be great if they do and I hope the team gives all they have. I believe they will.

 

[Breed]

Let me ask you something. Would you allow someone to drive any automobile when there weren't prepared to handle such dangerous machinery?
I suspect not and that's the point. This organization actually drafted guys who they WANTED to be what they were not at the time that they were selected.
We can debate whether or not the outcomes would have been different had either RGIII or Haskins sat. What's not debatable is the organization's failure to give them both their best opportunity to succeed. I'm aware of the in the moment dynamics, but that too points to who was in charge and who should have been. Washington has not been a good place to groom players, sadly, there's still no evidence that anything about that has changed.

Not saying you're wrong necessarily far as this organization not giving each the best opportunity to succeed. Not saying you're right either though. The reasons imo that neither succeeded with this organization ultimately falls on Griffin n Haskins themselves for their decision making. and in part on Daniel Snyder for involving himself in player personnel matters. I recently read an article where Haskins got the tag owners pet or some shit like that. Robert Griffin w/o question was tagged with such and lets address him first. Griffin point blank refused to protect himself. He made no effort to take advantage of the rules protecting QBs. The week he got hurt against Atl. It was dowwn on the Atl 3 yd ln. He went back to pass and he flowed out the pocket towards the right sidelines. He looked as if he didn't see any open WRs. But instead of throwing the ball away or running out of bounds. He haphazardly tried avoiding a tackle by cutting back into the field of play. I dunno if he lost his balance or was trying to get down, but as he was going down, LB Sean Witherspoon hit him concussing him and knocking him out the game. Cousins came in and finished the game. Now all that week there was talk about how he should've thrown the ball away or got out of bounds. Largely due to being on the Atl 3 yd ln and only having 13 yards of playing field to work with particularly since he was all the way over on one side of the field, shrinking the field that much more.

The next week against Minn with the Skins on their 24 yd ln. Griffin was back to pass, but pulls the ball down and takes off to his left. There was 1 Viking defender, a DB I believe that was between Griffin and the rest of the field, every other defender had flowed to Griffin's right. You don't see anyone, but Griffin n the Vikes DB on the tv screen for the rest of the play. Griffin could've cut back to his right towards the middle of the field, but instead he correctly continues to his left where he has at least 10, 15 yards before he goes out of bounds. He easily smokes the DB to the sideline and continues down the field for a 76 yd TD run. After the game during his post game press conference he steps to the mic and the first thing he says is something like this. Maybe I should've run out of bounds on that play huh. It was a dig at the talk a week earlier about him running out of bounds or getting rid of the ball as not to take a hit the week before in the Atl game. I couldn't believe it cuz it said to me that either Griffin doesn't understand situational football or he don't give a shit about it. Either way, not a good look. I realized then, Griffin probably won't be around long because he's gonna get injured. Sure enough, that's pretty much what happened when he drove head first which still allows def players to hit him and Haloti Ngata lit his ass up in the Baltimore game. He was never right the rest of the season after that. And that stemmed from Griffin's refusal to learn how to protect himself as he never learned to slide and continued to dive head first on running plays well into his 2nd year. That isn't or wasn't the organization's fault or Shanny's fault or Snyder's fault. That's all on Griffin. It is Snyder's fault that Griffin felt empowered enough to tell Mike Shanahan what plays he would no longer run and that he wanted to play QB like Peyton Manning. Like he thought he could simply say it and it would magically happen. So from my vantage point, even if the organization didn't give him the best opportunity for success. Had he taken advantage of being able to protect himself. He could've overcome the wrong move by the organization. What he couldn't overcome was his refusal to protect himself n Snyder's coddling did him no favors either.

Concerning Haskins. He simply refused to apply himself to becoming a better QB. Not only did he not apply himself, he continued to do things that displayed his immaturity. Trying to sneak folks into the Skins facility, partying w/o a mask, yet still he was given not a 2nd chance, but a 2nd n 3rd chance. And what did he ultimately do with his 3rd n final opportunity? He saved his worst performance of the year for it. So whatever the organization did as far as curtailing his chances for success. His off field actions and his on field play after being given multiple chances were much biggest factors in why he's where he's at now imo.

Far as grooming players go. Some players have developed nicely or so it seems in Washington. Curl, Holcomb, Reaves, Roullier, Iaonnidi until his injury to name a few. I will say they haven't had the best luck with QBs. But of the recent/semi-recent QBs that have been here. McNabb, Griffin, Cousins, Smith, Haskins, Allen. Daniel Snyder is responsible for bringing in McNabb, Griffin and Haskins. The only 3 that have played themselves out of Washington. Which says to me Snyder needs to keep his as out of the draft room, the FA room, and the and any other room that dir3ectly leads to Skins player personnel.

 

[skinz2winz]

If Scott Turner cant figure out Tampa is going to bliz on almost every play then he is an ass. I except alot of screens this game and quick slants. If we get in 3rd and long is going to be tough.

Well, Alex cannot move so why blitz on every play? How the guys up front (OLINE) play will determine Alex's ability to perform.

 

[deanpet21]

Well, Alex cannot move so why blitz on every play? How the guys up front (OLINE) play will determine Alex's ability to perform.

They are going to do what exactly the Eagles did. Send 5 or 6 guys every time. Oline cant block them all.

 

[tomcat1]

You have to get to Brady with 4, blitz too often and he will eat you alive. The guy has 20 years of experience.

Against Brady, you better be able to get 24 points. Even if the D plays well he'll get 21.

Like dad likes to say the WTF have a punchers chance. They are not supposed to win this game. Would be great if they do and I hope the team gives all they have. I believe they will.

Obviously I hope I'm wrong but my gut tells me The Brady Bunch will show the world how weak the NFC East was this season.

Like you said, if our guys leave it all on the field with a 100% effort I won't be too upset.

 

[skinz2winz]

Taking a look at TB's losses, I see us as most similar to the BEARS team who played them. We are similar in style with our defense, sometimes inability to move the ball on offense and solid ST play. "IF" we can hold Brady to 21 pts we can win. We are not the high scoring teams like the Saints (2x), Rams and Chiefs the Bucs previously lost to.

So let's see what the BEARS did to get a win vs Brady's Bucs: (20-19)
Tampa Bay
Jones: 17 rush, 106 yards, runs really hard and 1 guy won't bring him down.
Brady: 25/41 for 253, 1 TD, 0 int. Tons of short quick passes over middle, short to intermediate.
Defense: 3 sacks, secondary vulnerable,
Offense: 10 first qtr points. 6 pts rest of way. Lots of WR/TE bunch formations of which they normally throw from.
ST: KO coverage weak. Patterson brought out end zone kick several times w/success.

Bears
Rushing: 36 total yards
Foles: 30/42 for 243, 1 TD, 1 int.
Defense: 3 sacks
ST: O'Donnell had (3) punts inside TB 20 yrd line.
Foles' only int at midfield led to 7 pts for TB. (Evans quick slant at goal line)
Bears scored 10 pts with 1:48 to go before halftime.

 

[deanpet21]

Taking a look at TB's losses, I see us as most similar the BEARS team who played them. We are similar in style with our defense, sometimes inability to move the ball on offense and solid ST play. "IF" we can hold Brady to 21 pts we can win. We are not the high scoring teams like the Saints (2x), Rams and Chiefs the Bucs previously lost to.

So let's see what the BEARS did to get a win vs Brady's Bucs: (20-19)
Tampa Bay
Jones: 17 rush, 106 yards, runs really hard and 1 guy won't bring him down.
Brady: 25/41 for 253, 1 TD, 0 int. Tons of short quick passes over middle, short to intermediate.
Defense: 3 sacks, secondary vulnerable,
Offense: 10 first qtr points. 6 pts rest of way. Lots of WR/TE bunch formations of which they normally throw from.
ST: KO coverage weak. Patterson brought out end zone kick several times w/success.

Bears
Rushing: 36 total yards
Foles: 30/42 for 243, 1 TD, 1 int.
Defense: 3 sacks
ST: O'Donnell had (3) punts inside TB 20 yrd line.
Foles' only int at midfield led to 7 pts for TB. (Evans quick slant at goal line)
Bears scored 10 pts with 1:48 to go before halftime.

Wasnt that the game that Brady forgot it was 4th down? lol

 

[skinz2winz]

Obviously I hope I'm wrong but my gut tells me The Brady Bunch will show the world how weak the NFC East was this season.

Like you said, if our guys leave it all on the field with a 100% effort I won't be too upset.

Wait a minute, didn't Tampa have to score 10 4th qtr points to beat the Giants 25-23? The only NFCE team they played?

 

[tomcat1]

Wait a minute, didn't Tampa have to score 10 4th qtr points to beat the Giants 25-23? The only NFCE team they played?

That was then, this is now. I learned a long time ago that you don't bet against Brady when the playoffs begin and his playoff record proves it.