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So after building up significant hype for this little project of mine, I have finally completed it. That's right, the Resident Nerd has once again lived up to his name, but this time has done so in a fashion that is [hopefully] beneficial to the board.

To begin, I'll rehash how I came across my little equation. I entered the points per game (hand calculated, no less =P) of every player with a sufficient sample size over the past year and that player's salary into an Excel document. I then plotted all of the points in a scatter plot. Then I fit a linear trend line (it's much easier to analyze and makes more sense to me from a business standpoint anyway) and took the equation from there.

It is important to note that the scatter in this chart was huge. The R^2 value was 0.6553, so the fit wasn't very precise. But I believe that the enormous sample size (319 data points) accounts for this shortcoming. That is to say, I believe there are enough data points that the discrepancies nearly evenly balance out, and that there are about as many overpaid players as underpaid players. Also, since this accounts for 319 NHL forwards, we should also assume that the salary value returned for a certain player's ppg assumes that player is average in every other aspect of the game. So, for example, a player with x ppg who is an above average defender should make more than a player with x ppg who is an average defender, all other things equal.

I also decided to force the trend line through zero. Now, I understand that the league minimum is about 550K, but players making that sum are probably not getting paid for their offense. I figure a 0 ppg player adds exactly zero value to his team, and that player must possess some other ability (face-offs, defense, agitation, physicality, fighting, etc.) in order to earn consistent playing time. Besides that, a GM knows he must pay a player 550K, so if a player's ppg puts him under that, and the GM still wants him, he knows what he's going to be paying. Additionally, as I mentioned in the "Coming Soon" thread, forcing the line through the league minimum produced about a 20% decreased in the line's slope. That was way too much.

So without further adieu, here is the equation:

y = 5.3293x

where x is the ppg and y is the player's salary in millions of dollars.

Now you can have fun with it, evaluating your teams' signings of forwards this off-season. Remember that this applies only to forwards.

The next step of this work, I think it's important to note, is to work backward and add specificity. That is to say, given time and opportunity, look at the percentage of points a player scores as goals and find out how that affects salary. Then work from there to determine a numerical value that could be assigned to forwards for their offensive proficiency versus league average. But that will likely take months, so don't get excited for that just yet. =P

Thank you all for your kind attention. =)
 

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So would y be expressed as an integer related to the # of millions that player makes? E.g. - A player who makes $6,370,000 would be expressed as y = 6.37
 

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i read an article where they had something like this. it showed what you get for your money. basically how much you pay for every point. it also showed that goalies are not worth a lot of money. it showed that they get paid more now and that has not turned into better stats.
 
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So would y be expressed as an integer related to the # of millions that player makes? E.g. - A player who makes $6,370,000 would be expressed as y = 6.37

Correct. And by ppg alone, for what it's worth, both Crosby and Ovechkin are overpaid. Of course, Ovechkin is known for his physicality and Crosby for his intangibles, so they both account for the discrepancy in other aspects of the game.

And Chris Drury is the most overpaid player in the game.
 
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i read an article where they had something like this. it showed what you get for your money. basically how much you pay for every point. it also showed that goalies are not worth a lot of money. it showed that they get paid more now and that has not turned into better stats.

I was actually thinking about how much you pay per point in my work and calculations. Kind of a cool thought.

And as far as goalies are concerned, I must disagree. They're just getting their due. They're the most valuable players on the ice by position, and they're just now starting to get paid like it.
 

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we already knew drury was overpaid. go to broadstreethockey.com. maybe you can find the article there. crosby and ovechkin are not really overpaid compared to many players in the game. of course rookies get the most value.
 

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i think goalies are overpaid. look at leighton and luongo. obviously luongo is better. he gets paid about 7 mil a year. leighton gets about 1.5 mil. so luongo makes about 4 times as much. does that translate into 4 times the better play? no. 4 times more saves? no.
 

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now i would not mind paying a goalie 5 mil although not 7 mil. i would rather go with a 3 mil a year guy and spend the extra 4 mil on a nice winger or dman.
 

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Correct. And by ppg alone, for what it's worth, both Crosby and Ovechkin are overpaid.

Yeah, I'm sure the highest paid players will never have the best ratio, though the guys with the best ratio (say, a Nick Backstrom from this past year) are due for inevitable pay raises.
 

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I just did the math and last year Leighton let in on average on half of a goal more then Luongo did
 
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now i would not mind paying a goalie 5 mil although not 7 mil. i would rather go with a 3 mil a year guy and spend the extra 4 mil on a nice winger or dman.

Luongo is overpaid. But goaltenders have more impact on the outcome of a game than any other position. They are literally the only players who can win or lose a game almost entirely alone. But with goalies, you can't really look at it as a proportion between saves and money, but by an all-inclusive goalie rating formula (one of which I have devised) which accounts for a number of criteria. A guy like Ryan Miller is certainly at least five times the goaltender of a guy like Kevin Weekes, for example, but that doesn't mean he makes five times the number of saves per game.

And of course you would want to get your goaltenders cheaper. That's more money you have to spend elsewhere.
 

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i am just saying that i think more teams will go with a cheaper goalie. the hockey news wrote an article about it.

and they also had an article on broadstreethockey about how to determine who better goalies are. the based it on quality starts and whatnot. it seemed pretty accurate. it is tough to judge goalies. forwards and defensmen are easy based on just watching them. even if you watch a goalie it is tough to determine how good they are. also, the stats are really tied to the team in front of them. and the system.
 

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- I owe you a +rep DS. (gave you one too recently).

- fwiw, Luongo's cap # is $5.3m. I don't care that they are paying him $10m this season, it's not my money. With a $5.3m cap hit (#9 in the league among goalies), they can afford the other pieces.

- do you have the data easily available, and easily maniputable? I am wondering who the outliers on the canucks are (without actually doing the work myself :) ). Burrows would be WAY below the line, I'm wondering if we would have anyone well over it (other than Demitra, but he's gone).
 

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But goaltenders have more impact on the outcome of a game than any other position. They are literally the only players who can win or lose a game almost entirely alone.

This is true. BUT, in terms of their impact, the best goalie in the league is only about 2-3% better than your average goalie over a season or the playoffs. Whereas the best forward will be 100-200% better than your average forward.

It's a tricky balance, b/c both are true. Truth be told, better to have a hot goalie than a great goalie. Now if you had a formula that could predict that, you'd be a rich man! :)
 
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i am just saying that i think more teams will go with a cheaper goalie. the hockey news wrote an article about it.

and they also had an article on broadstreethockey about how to determine who better goalies are. the based it on quality starts and whatnot. it seemed pretty accurate. it is tough to judge goalies. forwards and defensmen are easy based on just watching them. even if you watch a goalie it is tough to determine how good they are. also, the stats are really tied to the team in front of them. and the system.

That very well may be, especially since the last few Cup winners have done it with goaltenders who really aren't elite. And if that is the case, it will bring the price of top-tier goaltenders back down a bit. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
 
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This is true. BUT, in terms of their impact, the best goalie in the league is only about 2-3% better than your average goalie over a season or the playoffs. Whereas the best forward will be 100-200% better than your average forward.

It's a tricky balance, b/c both are true. Truth be told, better to have a hot goalie than a great goalie. Now if you had a formula that could predict that, you'd be a rich man! :)

Probability would suggest that better goalies would be more likely to get hot, and would stay hot longer, and would have shorter cold spells. That's what makes them better. But there's no way to predict when that will happen for any goalie.

But if there was, yes, I would be a rich man.
 
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- I owe you a +rep DS. (gave you one too recently).

- fwiw, Luongo's cap # is $5.3m. I don't care that they are paying him $10m this season, it's not my money. With a $5.3m cap hit (#9 in the league among goalies), they can afford the other pieces.

- do you have the data easily available, and easily maniputable? I am wondering who the outliers on the canucks are (without actually doing the work myself :) ). Burrows would be WAY below the line, I'm wondering if we would have anyone well over it (other than Demitra, but he's gone).

Firstly, if Luongo's cap hit is $5.3, I would say he's being paid about what he's worth. Maybe a little more, but no more than 500K overpaid.

As for the Canucks' salaries, no I do not have that information. I have 319 data points, and none of them have any labels on them. I wanted to attach the Excel file, but I couldn't. But, yeah, it should be pretty easy to figure out which are above and below, but I feel like the Sedin twins are pretty much right on the line.
 
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