Round 1: #13 DT Da’Ron Payne

[Stymietee]

That's the biggest problem with this team...they lack "elite" players, especially on defense. Who is "THAT GUY" on this team, that keeps offensive coordinators up late into early mornings trying to scheme against him/them? Why is it realistic for other teams to have the best player(s) at any given position, but not us?

BTW: you don't worry about getting that guy unless you can't identify him in a draft as better than what you already have. I'm not advocating a move from top 10 to top 3, but one that counts as #1 in the league.

 

[gkekoa]

That's the biggest problem with this team...they lack "elite" players, especially on defense. Who is "THAT GUY" on this team, that keeps offensive coordinators up late into early mornings trying to scheme against him/them? Why is it realistic for other teams to have the best player(s) at any given position, but not us?

BTW: you don't worry about getting that guy unless you can't identify him in a draft as better than what you already have. I'm not advocating a move from top 10 to top 3, but one that counts as #1 in the league.

Is it possible that Ryan Kerrigan is elite but has never had an inside player to help make him look it?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Skins2021]

Well, in keeping with my persistent theme to always look to upgrade, why rest on being one of the best instead of having THE best in the game. Right now, if everything works out with the youngsters inside, our weak spots become both of these outside players. I still think that Smith might show us something. We know what Kerrigan is, and there's still hope that Anderson will become the second round player that the team hoped him to be.
Put a Whitney Mercilus type in his place and it will drive offensive coordinators mad trying to game plan against this team. That's the difference.

Adding to what GK said do you remember that game against the Raiders when Ioannidis and Jonathan Allen were controlling the LOS?

Preston Smith and Ryan Kerrigan looked unblockable.

Now I'm not high on Anderson whatsoever but I think the Skins have well above average edge rushers in the NFL. Kerrigan has more defensive TDs then any other Redskin during his span.

His sack total? He gets about 10 or more a year with a shit defense around him and Ziggy Hood and Kedric Golston types attempting to push the pocket.

Kerrigan is a beast and he does and has taken over games. I'm not sure what you are watching. Prior to this year he has absolutely destroyed the Eagles. Dont believe me? Look it up. He is incredibly underrated.

 

[Stymietee]

Is it possible that Ryan Kerrigan is elite but has never had an inside player to help make him look it?

NO

 

[gkekoa]

NO

Great answer...

 

[Stymietee]

Adding to what GK said do you remember that game against the Raiders when Ioannidis and Jonathan Allen were controlling the LOS?

Preston Smith and Ryan Kerrigan looked unblockable.

Now I'm not high on Anderson whatsoever but I think the Skins have well above average edge rushers in the NFL. Kerrigan has more defensive TDs then any other Redskin during his span.

His sack total? He gets about 10 or more a year with a shit defense around him and Ziggy Hood and Kedric Golston types attempting to push the pocket.

Kerrigan is a beast and he does and has taken over games. I'm not sure what you are watching. Prior to this year he has absolutely destroyed the Eagles. Dont believe me? Look it up. He is incredibly underrated.

Elite players make lesser players look better, it simply doesn't work the other way around. Since we're talking about this team, let me ask, using Shawn Taylor, the last "elite" player we've had. Who were the players that made him look like he was an "elite" player? Or did it happen the other way around?

Now, since you are so convinced that Kerrigan is "elite" who are the players that he's elevated because he is what you claim him to be?

 

[Stymietee]

Great answer...

Thank you!

 

[Ruzious]

I think both Kerrigan and PSmith are valuable players that can play at high levels, but they could really use an athletic speed rusher - like Galette used to be in his pre achilles tendon injury daze - someone to get to the QB quicker and force the QB to think he has less time to find his receivers.

 

[Skins2021]

Elite players make lesser players look better, it simply doesn't work the other way around. Since we're talking about this team, let me ask, using Shawn Taylor, the last "elite" player we've had. Who were the players that made him look like he was an "elite" player? Or did it happen the other way around?

Now, since you are so convinced that Kerrigan is "elite" who are the players that he's elevated because he is what you claim him to be?

Bull. Back to the Raiders. Would you consider Khalil Mack to be elite? Would you consider the Raiders defense to be even average?

Todd Gurley is an elite RB. He was terrible in 2016 and the Rams invested in the oline and hired a new coach and now hes elite as is the offense.

Sean Taylor was elite. He also was playing in a secondary with Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, and Pierson Prioleu, Landry, Archuletta... more talent in that secondary then we have had since.

Trent Williams is elite and his LG has still sucked over the last few seasons.

Players Kerrigan has helped elevate their game? Maybe Perry Riley an Rocky Mcintosh. Both were serviceable here and never heard of again. Perhaps Preston Smith, Galette, Orakpo as well.

Not calling Kerrigan elite but I wouldnt argue that hes NOT elite or at least damn near close

 

[Stymietee]

I think both Kerrigan and PSmith are valuable players that can play at high levels, but they could really use an athletic speed rusher - like Galette used to be in his pre achilles tendon injury daze - someone to get to the QB quicker and force the QB to think he has less time to find his receivers.

I agree with what you're saying about both Smith and Kerrigan. Does either of them meet the standard that you've mentioned with respect to Galette?

These guys do exist, other teams have them as we speak, are they in abundance throughout the league?...NO, absolutely not! However, to defend Kerrigan when there is any suggestion to get one on this team is just insanity.

 

[Skins2021]

Bull. Back to the Raiders. Would you consider Khalil Mack to be elite? Would you consider the Raiders defense to be even average?

Todd Gurley is an elite RB. He was terrible in 2016 and the Rams invested in the oline and hired a new coach and now hes elite as is the offense.

Sean Taylor was elite. He also was playing in a secondary with Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, and Pierson Prioleu, Landry, Archuletta... more talent in that secondary then we have had since.

Trent Williams is elite and his LG has still sucked over the last few seasons.

Players Kerrigan has helped elevate their game? Maybe Perry Riley an Rocky Mcintosh. Both were serviceable here and never heard of again. Perhaps Preston Smith, Galette, Orakpo as well.

Not calling Kerrigan elite but I wouldnt argue that hes NOT elite or at least damn near close

also players Kerrigan has elevated their games. How about Trent Williams and Morgan Moses. Both took considerable steps forward after practicing against Kerrigan day in and day out.

Or you can say they elevated his game. regardless Kerrigan is literally our best player on defense which has pretty much been the case since his rookie season.

 

[Ruzious]

I agree with what you're saying about both Smith and Kerrigan. Does either of them meet the standard that you've mentioned with respect to Galette?

These guys do exist, other teams have them as we speak, are they in abundance throughout the league?...NO, absolutely not! However, to defend Kerrigan when there is any suggestion to get one on this team is just insanity.

I agree with you. A guy like Galette used to be - could make the entire defense better - moreso than Kerrigan. I do like Kerrigan, but I wouldn't call him an elite player. There's no substitute for speed and quickness.

 

[Stymietee]

Not calling Kerrigan elite but I wouldnt argue that hes NOT elite or at least damn near close

Fine, YOU don't have to, I already have stated that Ryan Kerrigan is NOT "that guy." IN fact these are the things that I'm looking for that Kerrigan is NOT, never has been and never will be.

1. More speed

2. A natural pass rusher with a repertoire of counter moves, (Kerrigan has one...strength)

3. Makes plays in space

Notice anything?...These are all of Kerrigan's weaknesses. Again I'm not talking about Kerrigan as if he's a bad player, in fact quite the contrary, we may have a top 10 defense With him on the field. I'm just never satisfied with standing pat. This league is a move/counter move one, standing pat gives others an opportunity to get ahead of you. Is Kerrigan one of the better players at his position in the league? Absolutely!! Can we do better? Absolutely!! That is all!

 

[Skins2021]

Fine, YOU don't have to, I already have stated that Ryan Kerrigan is NOT "that guy." IN fact these are the things that I'm looking for that Kerrigan is NOT, never has been and never will be.

1. More speed

2. A natural pass rusher with a repertoire of counter moves, (Kerrigan has one...strength)

3. Makes plays in space

Notice anything?...These are all of Kerrigan's weaknesses. Again I'm not talking about Kerrigan as if he's a bad player, in fact quite the contrary, we may have a top 10 defense With him on the field. I'm just never satisfied with standing pat. This league is a move/counter move one, standing pat gives others an opportunity to get ahead of you. Is Kerrigan one of the better players at his position in the league? Absolutely!! Can we do better? Absolutely!! That is all!

His bull rush is 1 of the best in the game.
Hate to reference baseball but

Tim Wakefield was 1 of if not the best knuckle ball pitchers of all time. Do you marginalize him bc all he does is throw knuckleballs?

Clay Kershaw most dominant starting pitcher in baseball today whos best pitch is his curveball. Is he going to be marginalized for throwing mostly curves?

Dwight Freeney a future HOF did not bull rush as he was too small. Instead he used speed/spin move. Is he marginalized for not using power in his pass rushing repertoire?

As you can probably already tell I am a big Kerrigan fan. I truly believe he is underrated and underappreciated by fans and across the NFL.

 

[gkekoa]

Elite players make lesser players look better, it simply doesn't work the other way around. Since we're talking about this team, let me ask, using Shawn Taylor, the last "elite" player we've had. Who were the players that made him look like he was an "elite" player? Or did it happen the other way around?

Now, since you are so convinced that Kerrigan is "elite" who are the players that he's elevated because he is what you claim him to be?

Oh...I do agree elite layers make lesser players look good. Is it possible he helps make total shit look like partial shit?

As for Shawn, he was elite but had assistance from Ryan Clark and a solid front 7.

Chandler Jones has played on far superior team defenses, yet his only stellar year was last season...an outlier.

Khalil Mack had one big season. The rest look a lot like Kerrigan’s.

Even Von Miller’s stats aren’t much more impressive than RK and Von has had a shit ton more surrounding talent.

 

[Stymietee]

His bull rush is 1 of the best in the game.
Hate to reference baseball but

Tim Wakefield was 1 of if not the best knuckle ball pitchers of all time. Do you marginalize him bc all he does is throw knuckleballs?

Clay Kershaw most dominant starting pitcher in baseball today whos best pitch is his curveball. Is he going to be marginalized for throwing mostly curves?

Dwight Freeney a future HOF did not bull rush as he was too small. Instead he used speed/spin move. Is he marginalized for not using power in his pass rushing repertoire?

As you can probably already tell I am a big Kerrigan fan. I truly believe he is underrated and underappreciated by fans and across the NFL.

There's no comparison between baseball and football so there's that. I too like Kerrigan, but I like the team more, if there's an opportunity to replace him with a much better player, Oh well!!

 

[Skins2021]

There's no comparison between baseball and football so there's that. I too like Kerrigan, but I like the team more, if there's an opportunity to replace him with a much better player, Oh well!!

Just pointing out a flaw in logic

 

[Stymietee]

Oh...I do agree elite layers make lesser players look good. Is it possible he helps make total shit look like partial shit?

As for Shawn, he was elite but had assistance from Ryan Clark and a solid front 7.

Chandler Jones has played on far superior team defenses, yet his only stellar year was last season...an outlier.

Khalil Mack had one big season. The rest look a lot like Kerrigan’s.

Even Von Miller’s stats aren’t much more impressive than RK and Von has had a shit ton more surrounding talent.

This is the NFL, people often forget that making and playing at this level is a unique experience for the very best of their profession to do. Shit and partial shit still translates into the very best under the sun. It is in relative comparison that we must always be searching for the very best of the best. To do otherwise, is the formula for failure. Again, I'm NOT attacking Kerrigan the player, he's very good, we all agree on that, but isn't the constant goal to make this team the very best that it can be? While it is the case that this team is the very best that it can be WITH Kerrigan, that level of play would pale in comparison to the same team with a much better player than he. This can be said about every player in the NFL, I don't understand why there's such objection when the subject is this particular player.

 

[Stymietee]

Just pointing out a flaw in logic

That's not logical...comparing two completely different things because they are sports fails this test.