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Romo covers up a lot of this teams flaws he remains the most under rated and most maligned player in football. This better be a huge draft. Give me Ramsey, Jack or trade back 4 or 5 spots gain more picks and land Elliot. I can live with Bosa. This is a bad year to be in top 10 of draft.
 

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Just not sure why so many people would have been against a Weddle signing? He cost 6.5 million per over the next two years, after that no commitment. The guy will play next season at 31 - he's not decrepit yet. We are currently paying Church 4.25 million to suck. That's frivolous penny pinching in this instance. 2-3 million more per season and we could have really improved the secondary. Oh well, I guess we like seeing Church and Wilcox getting bent over every Sunday.
Exactly. The deal he signed (from what I heard) was basically voidable after 2 years. If we signed Weddle and cut Carr and Church, we would have Weddle, Jones, Scandrick and still need another starting DB. Best part is it would save us cap space doing the 3 moves. Not to say Weddle is a slam dunk or no one is allowed to disagree with my opinion that he would have been a good signing, but I think sometimes some people decide whether they want a guy or not and don't change their opinion even after they see the deal. The salary you pay a guy is as important as the player himself. If Weddle was getting an $9M deal for 4 years with no "out" I wouldn't want any part of it, but that isn't what happened here. Plus, our need for a safety is absolutely huge and has been for years and no draft pick is a guarantee to be any good and honestly Jones really isn't much of a guarantee either. So if we are going to make a move (even if possibly one that could bite us in the ass) I'd rather it be at a position of need like safety or really any DB which is why I was hoping for them to look at Prince and some of the other CBs too.
 

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Exactly. The deal he signed (from what I heard) was basically voidable after 2 years. If we signed Weddle and cut Carr and Church, we would have Weddle, Jones, Scandrick and still need another starting DB. Best part is it would save us cap space doing the 3 moves. Not to say Weddle is a slam dunk or no one is allowed to disagree with my opinion that he would have been a good signing, but I think sometimes some people decide whether they want a guy or not and don't change their opinion even after they see the deal. The salary you pay a guy is as important as the player himself. If Weddle was getting an $9M deal for 4 years with no "out" I wouldn't want any part of it, but that isn't what happened here. Plus, our need for a safety is absolutely huge and has been for years and no draft pick is a guarantee to be any good and honestly Jones really isn't much of a guarantee either. So if we are going to make a move (even if possibly one that could bite us in the ass) I'd rather it be at a position of need like safety or really any DB which is why I was hoping for them to look at Prince and some of the other CBs too.
Weddle got less than I thought he would, and if Dallas could have brought him in for that money I'd have been on board, but most reports stated Weddle wasn't interested in Dallas, so my question is why are people upset we didn't sign a guy who didn't want to come here?
 

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Weddle got less than I thought he would, and if Dallas could have brought him in for that money I'd have been on board, but most reports stated Weddle wasn't interested in Dallas, so my question is why are people upset we didn't sign a guy who didn't want to come here?
Who is upset? there are some bizarre comments going on here lately. Reading comp issues maybe. Do we not talk about FAs as pretty much a common staple on this board in the offseason? I read a lot of people saying why Weddle would be a good signing (me included) but saying upset or that it would make everything better if we signed him is kind of strange.

Why do you said he didn't want to come here? I read Dallas was one of the 4 teams tied to him all along and that offered him a contract. Who knows if it's true or not. But, 99% of the time when a player doesn't go back to his team the highest offer is the team the guy picks...
 

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Who is upset? there are some bizarre comments going on here lately. Reading comp issues maybe. Do we not talk about FAs as pretty much a common staple on this board in the offseason? I read a lot of people saying why Weddle would be a good signing (me included) but saying upset or that it would make everything better if we signed him is kind of strange.

Why do you said he didn't want to come here? I read Dallas was one of the 4 teams tied to him all along and that offered him a contract. Who knows if it's true or not. But, 99% of the time when a player doesn't go back to his team the highest offer is the team the guy picks...

Not pointing fingers at you, just it was the last post talking about who wasn't signed, but there are plenty of complaints at the lack of FAs brought in.
Personally with the multiple failures and loads of $$$ spent on FAs over the years this is refreshing for me.
 

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Not pointing fingers at you, just it was the last post talking about who wasn't signed, but there are plenty of complaints at the lack of FAs brought in.
Personally with the multiple failures and loads of $$$ spent on FAs over the years this is refreshing for me.
Just read my post back...emotions behind written word tough to follow. What I meant was more it seemed strange that people were thinking many were mad about not bringing in Weddle or some other guys. I'm actually proud of how subdued everyone is here as compared to other years when the panic sets in day 1 when we haven't signed anyone big yet!!! IMO Weddle would have been a great signing, BUT...i'm fine with not signing him too. Same with Long and Prince. There were no "must signs" IMO. I think what was being said was more how some didn't see how he could help this team than being angry or upset that he wasn't signed. My ideal FAs would be depth and cheaper starter types that can start if needed, but also play a reserve/rotation role if we get a 1st rounder that will bump them.
 

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Just read my post back...emotions behind written word tough to follow. What I meant was more it seemed strange that people were thinking many were mad about not bringing in Weddle or some other guys. I'm actually proud of how subdued everyone is here as compared to other years when the panic sets in day 1 when we haven't signed anyone big yet!!! IMO Weddle would have been a great signing, BUT...i'm fine with not signing him too. Same with Long and Prince. There were no "must signs" IMO. I think what was being said was more how some didn't see how he could help this team than being angry or upset that he wasn't signed. My ideal FAs would be depth and cheaper starter types that can start if needed, but also play a reserve/rotation role if we get a 1st rounder that will bump them.

I know you have been anti big money on FAs over the years just to get the cap under control, I should have quoted others, sorry for the confusion. :suds:
 

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Just read my post back...emotions behind written word tough to follow. What I meant was more it seemed strange that people were thinking many were mad about not bringing in Weddle or some other guys. I'm actually proud of how subdued everyone is here as compared to other years when the panic sets in day 1 when we haven't signed anyone big yet!!! IMO Weddle would have been a great signing, BUT...i'm fine with not signing him too. Same with Long and Prince. There were no "must signs" IMO. I think what was being said was more how some didn't see how he could help this team than being angry or upset that he wasn't signed. My ideal FAs would be depth and cheaper starter types that can start if needed, but also play a reserve/rotation role if we get a 1st rounder that will bump them.
Its known as the McClay effect.
 

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I actually didn't even know we were one of the 4 teams in on Weddle. I've seen Goldsons name mentioned. IMO, we already have 3 of them including Heath. I think the Thorton signing was big and improved our team in that area. I see a drop off at DE, which we don't need. Long, I got excited but he has really been slipping the past two seasons. With Weddle, I just envisioned a secondary similar to Arizona, especially if we got RAmsey too. Like I said, I'm an impatient person.
 

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Interesting to me that the Cowboys haven't signed a backup QB. I think it's possible they go there at 4
The FA market is weak for QB.
 

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Dallas signed what 8, 9 of their own? They added Thorton and have money should they elect to bring in a late FA or June 1st cut. I don't see the problem, yet many complain cause we didn't jump in.

Weddle is 13M for two years but 9M is in year one...that is a structure problem if he matches last year performance. I don't see the logic cutting two DB's to sign one. Not with this group and knowing injuries are a large part. Depth & youth are key IMO...that ain't Weddle to me.
 

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Stephen is having a lot of influence in not making the splash in FA
If they were still in the oil bidness Jerry would have more dry holes and bigger production from his wells but I would bet Stephen would have a steady production of wells that would rival or out produce Jerry's.

Im fine with the FA so far but you have to find some replacements in the draft and UDFA's to replace those that were signed to prove it contracts that will leave if the do.
 

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Cowboys attempt to sign Weddle discussed in link. Sure looks like we wanted him pretty badly and he wanted to come here. This is great news for those of us that wanted Weddle even though disappointing to see how close we were to signing him. At least it lets us know that the Cowboys aren't satisfied with the sub-par safety play we have seen and that they are concerned enough to finally do something about it.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...d-s-eric-weddle-plan-barry-church-byron-jones
 

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Stephen is having a lot of influence in not making the splash in FA
If they were still in the oil bidness Jerry would have more dry holes and bigger production from his wells but I would bet Stephen would have a steady production of wells that would rival or out produce Jerry's.

Im fine with the FA so far but you have to find some replacements in the draft and UDFA's to replace those that were signed to prove it contracts that will leave if the do.
I still don't get the Stephen talk, maybe as cap guy. The guys getting a bigger say IMO are Garrett, mcClay and the entire coaching staff. Stephen may be a little more grounded than Jerry and I think is more persuasive than the scouts at winning him over, but I don't think his eye for talent is any better than Jerry's and I don't think he is any closer to making the final decisions today than he was 5 years ago. He pulled the Manziel draft card out of Jerry's hand because Jerry let him, not because it's his role...
 
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