Rooney Rule need to be changed?

[Davis_Mike]

The RR needs to disappear. It does nothing to further the hiring of minority HC candidates. Almost every team can easily circumvent the RR by interviewing an in house black member of the coaching staff to satisfy the RR.

 

[Davis_Mike]

The one area where the discrepancy is obvious is in ownership. I could be wrong but I don't believe there are any minority owners are there?

Shahid Khan, if you consider being a Pakistani born American to be a minority.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

Shahid Khan, if you consider being a Pakistani born American to be a minority.

I forgot about him.

 

[NinerSickness]

Isn't the Rooney rule itself racist?

Yes.

 

[Davis_Mike]

If the NFL wanted to increase the hiring of minority HC, they would attack the 2 issues that directly effect the hiring of minority HC(s), instead of having this silly arbitrary rule. Those 2 issues would be the lack of minority GM(s), Presidents, & other executives, along with the lack of qualified minority candidates. The second one is a reflection on the NCAA.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

The Rooney rule is a joke. It always has been. I think all possible candidates should get an opportunity, but at the same time I feel the owner of the team has every right to pick the guy he wants for the job.

 

[NinerSickness]

Those 2 issues would be the lack of minority GM(s), Presidents, & other executives, along with the lack of qualified minority candidates. The second one is a reflection on the NCAA.

The NCAA may have something to do with it, but I think you would agree that, overall, black people are better at football than white people (or anyone else for that matter). Correct? So don't you think there might just be more white people obsessed with football who aren't good enough to play it at a high level & go into coaching instead of playing at a relatively young age?

 

[redseat]

Yes get rid of the rule all together. I mean it just wastes money and time because we all know when they bring in a black coach 99.99% of the time they aren't going to be hired, yet alone even "considered."

 

[NinerSickness]

Also owners have proven that they're more than willing to hire a black head coach if he has what it takes to succeed in the NFL. No owner says to himself, "Man this black guy is the best candidate out there, but I can't stand seein' a (insert racial slur here) on the sideline, so I'm going to throw millions at an inferior candidate to run my billion-dollar franchise."

 

[Davis_Mike]

The NCAA may have something to do with it, but I think you would agree that, overall, black people are better at football than white people (or anyone else for that matter). Correct? So don't you think there might just be more white people obsessed with football who aren't good enough to play it at a high level & go into coaching instead of playing at a relatively young age?

That may be, but there is definitely a lack of qualified minority HC candidates. That is a direct reflection on the NCAA. If minorities aren't getting a chance to HC at lower levels, how are they ever going to get the experience to be a HC in the NFL. How many college HC(s) are hired as NFL HC(s) every season? One to two? And none of them are ever a minority. This say something about the NCAA. This is where some of the problem lays.

Owners/GM(s) will hire the best candidate regardless of his ethnicity. Winning equals money & we all know that the almighty $$$ trumps all when it comes to these decisions.

 

[Clayton]

NFL Network was 'embarrassed' about a lack of minority hires last year but its obvious for everyone to see that the NFL is too competitive for affirmative action at any position.

 

[Wazmankg]

Collectively, both black as well as all minority coaches throughout history have an > .500 record which means, if my 3rd grade math serves me correctly, that collectively all white coaches through history have an < .500 record. There were 4 minority coaches this season. 1 was fired, 2 have their teams in the playoffs and the other should be in the playoffs if not for the bad call in the Bolts-Chiefs game. Just some food for thought.

 

[Clayton]

Collectively, both black as well as all minority coaches throughout history have an > .500 record.

Are you counting Tony Dungy? He is pretty pale

 

[FLSkinsfan]

Winning or not winning as a head coach has nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with getting the best out of your players. The rule was put in when there was no black coaches and now we are seeing the benefits of the rule. Now the rule is a mute point. Every new coach has to prove himself worthy by performing at the position that he is in. If he does that, then he can work his way to a head coaching job, but you can not expect a RB coach to take over a team because of how great he was at a RB coach. He has to become a OC, then maybe a HC at a college (unless he proves himself enough at the NFL level), then he is ready to take over as HC. This takes years to master and we are just seeing now a lot of Minorities that are ready to be a HC, but there are still a lot of good coaches out there that have been around and have already proven themselves that teams are more likely to take (example Andy Reid). This is not a slap in the face to a black coach, but if they keep performing at a high level their time will come.

 

[JDM]

Collectively, both black as well as all minority coaches throughout history have an > .500 record which means, if my 3rd grade math serves me correctly, that collectively all white coaches through history have an < .500 record. There were 4 minority coaches this season. 1 was fired, 2 have their teams in the playoffs and the other should be in the playoffs if not for the bad call in the Bolts-Chiefs game. Just some food for thought.

The sample size is tiny. You can't draw much of anything from that.

 

[Wazmankg]

Are you counting Tony Dungy? He is pretty pale

Of course. I'm not suggesting any all encompassing conclusions can be drawn from it. The sample size is not that great... hence the reason for the Rooney Rule in the first place. I'm just putting it out there.

 

[Wazmankg]

The sample size is tiny. You can't draw much of anything from that.

Were the numbers were reversed, if you don't think they'd be used as a reason to bash the Rooney Rule/affirmative action you are very naive.

 

[JDM]

They'd be just as useless. The sample is too small.

 

[Southieinnc]

This, but this is more of a politics discussion IMO. The idea of considering race is a broken policy and only exacerbates racial tensions and harms minority groups.

I don't agree JDM. I think the rule gets potentail black coaches "face time" It does not get them the job. Even if a black candidate is not hired as coach of that particular team, it does help them get noticed and get chances with other teams.

It is a form of "affirmative action" But it does not require the hiring, just the interview. If it required the hiring, it would be just as harmful for "racial tensions" as affirmative action was. As it is, there is no harm.....

 

[NinerSickness]

Even if a black candidate is not hired as coach of that particular team, it does help them get noticed and get chances with other teams. .

It helps them get noticed? NFL GMs make millions of dollars, and they're evaluating players & coaches every single day if the year. All the time. Their staffs are evaluating players & coaches all year. Some token minority candidate they parade out there to satisfy a rule isn't all of a sudden getting "noticed" by a GM for a potential job. These executives have their lists of potential coaches they'd want before the current guy(s) even get(s) fired.