Redskins waived ILB Steven Daniels, LB Rufus Johnson, C Quinton Schooley and WR Reggie Diggs

[Sharkinva]

Of course, we needed oline help. They weren't sure on Long at that time. To get Kojo we passed on one of the best RB's in Football. Why does he get a pass for that?

Because its hindsight Dean. Its like bashing every team in the NFL for NOT drafting Brady in the first round. Or saying it was a mistake to take any other player over the guy who turned out to be a Probowler when 31 other teams in fact made the same mistake.

If Scot should have KNOWN, why does every other GM get a pass for all these hindsight moves you love to point out??

 

[deanpet21]

Because its hindsight Dean. Its like bashing every team in the NFL for NOT drafting Brady in the first round. Or saying it was a mistake to take any other player over the guy who turned out to be a Probowler when 31 other teams in fact made the same mistake.

If Scot should have KNOWN, why does every other GM get a pass for all these hindsight moves you love to point out??

Its not hindsight when Jones had a late round grade on him when Johnson had a 2 or 3 round grade on him. I hate when that happens.

 

[Sharkinva]

Its not hindsight when Jones had a late round grade on him when Johnson had a 2 or 3 round grade on him. I hate when that happens.

Again dude, its hindsight. How do you know that they didnt expect Johnson to actually be there when they traded away from him in the 3rd to get more picks. Which at the time you were all doing a happy dance about because we acquired more picks??


Its real easy to sit back and say... well we blew it trading away from Johnson and taking Jones. But without that trade we likely dont get Kojo or Jarrett... now had Jarrett not gotten a career ending Injury... there might not have been a need for Cravens, or signing Swearinger.... see how hindsight works??

 

[gkekoa]

Zack Martin grade was 93. Moses was 92. Scherff was 93. LAmp was 92. Interesting. This is from Mcshay.

Those were McShay's grades. He isn't a professional scout. He is a TV personality.

 

[gkekoa]

How was Williams over rated when the Jets at #6 took 1 minute to put their pick in? If he was over rated he would of fell in the draft like Lamp did. I was kind of surprised Lamp didn't go first round. Oh wait he wasn't a OT. lol that should speak volumes.

Look at Williams' collegiate career. It was very lackluster. They overrated him because he is a good athlete. That athleticism has never translated to on the field play. The grades you talk about should never be applied to an underaxhiever.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

bruce Allen and SM1 familys go way back they are good friends the fire was do to poor FA costing redskins 12 million in dead space this year etc etc ( money for kirk ,sheldon richerdson etc etc) and something that is a secret (not saleing a guy out something happend) im not buying allens ego he just did not perform whats so hard not to understand

 

[deanpet21]

Again dude, its hindsight. How do you know that they didnt expect Johnson to actually be there when they traded away from him in the 3rd to get more picks. Which at the time you were all doing a happy dance about because we acquired more picks??


Its real easy to sit back and say... well we blew it trading away from Johnson and taking Jones. But without that trade we likely dont get Kojo or Jarrett... now had Jarrett not gotten a career ending Injury... there might not have been a need for Cravens, or signing Swearinger.... see how hindsight works??

if he stayed there he could of took him but he didn't have a high grade on Johnson and settled for Jones and the extra pick. A lot of nfl scouts went nuts when we took JOnes. Don't even go there. Everyone called it a reach. So its no hindsight.

 

[deanpet21]

Those were McShay's grades. He isn't a professional scout. He is a TV personality.

true but other ex nfl scouts had similar grades.

 

[deanpet21]

Look at Williams' collegiate career. It was very lackluster. They overrated him because he is a good athlete. That athleticism has never translated to on the field play. The grades you talk about should never be applied to an underaxhiever.

Williams was the #1 prospect before the season even started. Besides the Qb's everyone had him going very high.

 

[gkekoa]

true but other ex nfl scouts had similar grades.

Multiple things. You just got done saying McShay's grade and now you have changed it to multiple ex-scouts. Which ex-scouts?

If these ex-scouts said this, do you think they have access to the same amount of film as they did when they were scouts? Do they have the same amount of time for evaluation?

 

[gkekoa]

Williams was the #1 prospect before the season even started. Besides the Qb's everyone had him going very high.

Look at his collegiate career. Look at his final season. For such an athlete, he did nothing at the collegiate level.

 

[Sharkinva]

if he stayed there he could of took him but he didn't have a high grade on Johnson and settled for Jones and the extra pick. A lot of nfl scouts went nuts when we took JOnes. Don't even go there. Everyone called it a reach. So its no hindsight.

Here is the thing. Had Jones worked out in addition to the TWO extra picks, every one would have been saying what a brilliant move it was. And you would have taken a little time from all your man crush dedications to say what a smart move it was. But in hind sight, because Johnson turned out to be better than average, then yes it was a bad move. So yet again your powers of hindsight put master Jedi to shame.

And I do call bullshit on the multiple NFL scouts calling the Jones pick a reach... but it strengthens your hindsight powers, so it does not shock me that you remember it this way.

 

[deanpet21]

Here is the thing. Had Jones worked out in addition to the TWO extra picks, every one would have been saying what a brilliant move it was. And you would have taken a little time from all your man crush dedications to say what a smart move it was. But in hind sight, because Johnson turned out to be better than average, then yes it was a bad move. So yet again your powers of hindsight put master Jedi to shame.

And I do call bullshit on the multiple NFL scouts calling the Jones pick a reach... but it strengthens your hindsight powers, so it does not shock me that you remember it this way.

We were laughed at when we selected Jones in the 3rd.

 

[deanpet21]

Multiple things. You just got done saying McShay's grade and now you have changed it to multiple ex-scouts. Which ex-scouts?

If these ex-scouts said this, do you think they have access to the same amount of film as they did when they were scouts? Do they have the same amount of time for evaluation?

Guys like Reddick, Jermaih, Polian, and more espn guys were all ex nfl scouts. IMO you don't have to be a scout. I would take Kipers draft board all day offer current NFL scouts

 

[Sharkinva]

Guys like Reddick, Jermaih, Polian, and more espn guys were all ex nfl scouts. IMO you don't have to be a scout. I would take Kipers draft board all day offer current NFL scouts

And there in is the real problem.

Kiper, McSay and Mayock are not scouts. Their primary job is to look at players and find what they LIKE and where they think these guys will go. When is the last time you heard ANY of them say... this guy has bust written all over him?? A scouts JOB is to find the players most likely to succeed that fit into what the team wants and needs. Kiper would have selected some of the worst busts in NFL history in the top ten.

But why am I not shocked you would favor the hype kings boards.

 

[deanpet21]

And there in is the real problem.

Kiper, McSay and Mayock are not scouts. Their primary job is to look at players and find what they LIKE and where they think these guys will go. When is the last time you heard ANY of them say... this guy has bust written all over him?? A scouts JOB is to find the players most likely to succeed that fit into what the team wants and needs. Kiper would have selected some of the worst busts in NFL history in the top ten.

But why am I not shocked you would favor the hype kings boards.

Of course Kiper has been wrong but so has professional NFL GM's. This is not a exact science so anybody can do it. Any of us could have better drafts then people who get paid to this for a living. Kiper considers team needs when he makes his projections. He is a homer Ravens fan but even he said that he would of taken Howard over Humphrey. To this day I still couldn't believe the Ravens passed on Allen.

 

[skinsdad62]

Weren't those the same lnfallable scouts who said no way sherf gets taken at 5 and we're dead wrong out shown buy a couple of old military vet hacks ?

Do you have a kiper / mcshay blow up love dolls at your home ? Kiper tried to sell us clauses. And he was hugely wrong about dilfer and shuler among the most hugely wrong. Couch rg3 blah blah blah blah

 

[deanpet21]

Weren't those the same lnfallable scouts who said no way sherf gets taken at 5 and we're dead wrong out shown buy a couple of old military vet hacks ?

Do you have a kiper / mcshay blow up love dolls at your home ? Kiper tried to sell us clauses. And he was hugely wrong about dilfer and shuler among the most hugely wrong. Couch rg3 blah blah blah blah

lol. never said he was perfect.

 

[ehb5]

Again I have big respect for SM and I'm still pissed that he is gone. But I'm also not afraid to evaluate his two years here objectively. Not sure what you mean by nobody beats the draft, GMs are measured by how they do when compared to other GMs. And a GMs job isj not just to sign players that don't screw the cap, it is to sign players to help the team. And David Bruton does not qualify.

Sure he changed the culture to some extent but his job was to find better players, both in the draft and free agency. Due to their love for SM many are unwilling or unable to admit that in his two seasons his player acquisitions just weren't that great, they just weren't. Many want to say he was responsible for the turnaround when the vast majority of the players responsible for that, including the main reason the quarterback, were already here before he arrived.

To your first sentence - same.

And I agree his 2 years here werent this magical stretch where he single handedly turned us around. I think he was a large part of the positive changes we saw, but Kirk, Jay, and lots of other people played large roles as well.

As for nobody beats the draft - I mean that the draft is a crapshoot. Everybody acts like some teams (Pats, Ravens, Packers usually) are better drafters than other teams or that some GMs are better drafters (SM, Ozzie Newsome, Bellicheck etc) but they arent. Ive been meaning to make a post on this for a while especially with all the hysteria about SM flying around but Ive been lazy lol. But basically there has been research done that shows those teams dont actually draft better and that no GM has proven to be able to draft better either. You can have a few hot years or you can hit on somebody like Aaron Rodgers who makes it look like youre better than you are. But at the end of the day the numbers show that everybody is just guessing. We can all sit here and complain about picks but really its mostly going to come down to luck. We dont know who will be great.

Which is why I say his job is to not screw us over. I want a GM who can make the football decisions instead of our publicity seeking owner and his henchmen. And I want a GM who wont through money, draft picks, and cap space down the drain because hes seeking a flashy move. SM was perfect for that. Thats why I liked him. But now we're stuck with Bruce again and I dont trust Bruce to act that way.

And to your last paragraph. Sure his 2 years werent perfect. But they werent bad either. They didnt handicap us. They had us steadily moving in the right direction. I agree with you he's not some hero who was single handidly dragging us out of despair, but he also was the best thing we've had in the FO since Snyder's taken over and he's probably the best thing we'll have for a while now I assume.

 

[ehb5]

With the very possible release of Matt Jones. Plus the decrease playing time of Preston Smith for Ryan Anderson SM draft record is failing miserably here. I wont even get into the Scerhff over Williams pick. After that selection you know the SM was on thin ice. It wasn't stated so much b/c we made the playoffs last year. IF you factor in the FA signings then his record gets even worst.

You will never get skinsdad,shark, and other SM lovers who defend this guy to admit that SM wasn't all the cracked up to be. Over rated in my book. Sure he set the draft board for this years draft but you know that the board gets changed as the draft gets closer and more news leaks out about the players.

For SM to get any credit for our recent success is beyond insane in my book. I have a feeling that the next GM will be an internal hire and that person will just hold the title. As far as draft decisions and FA pickups are going to be a group discussion between the New GM, Scot Campbell, and Bruce Allen.

There were a lot of no brainer picks in this draft like Allen, Monreau, and Perine. No matter who is making the decisions, I cant see anyone passing on these guys when we took them in the draft. Im not worried about our front office at all. This has been one of the best off seasons this team has had in awhile. For skinsdad to create another post about mocking Allen is pure stupidity.

Just look at the adds this team as made on both sides of the ball. Considering the losses we had the front office has done a great job.

To say SM shouldnt get any credit for that success is downright insane.

That said, I agree hes not perfect. But I dont think most of the people youre referring to think he is either. Hes just miles better than the alternative. But apparently youre more than happy to return to having Snyder and his yes man run things.