Red Sox sign Rusney Castillo

[tzill]

And what did he do last year?

He sucked. You think he's back on the juice?

 

[calsnowskier]

He sucked. You think he's back on the juice?

All I know is that he was essentially out of the league until he found "The Answer". After "The Answer" was taken away, he sucked balls (again). Now he is playing well again. If he is clean, it will be the first time in his career he has played better than a complete waste of space without "The Answer".

 

[tzill]

All I know is that he was essentially out of the league until he found "The Answer". After "The Answer" was taken away, he sucked balls (again). Now he is playing well again. If he is clean, it will be the first time in his career he has played better than a complete waste of space without "The Answer".

You'd think he'd have enhanced testing. Then again, there are always designer drugs created to beat the tests...

 

[GiantsPackersChamps2011]

Heyman reports we were finalists with the Philly for Castillo.

 

[GiantsPackersChamps2011]

 

[MarcoPolo]

And let's be thankful that at least he didn't go to a competitor.

Too bad he *didn't* go to the Doggies. Like Uribe (I was so happy when I heard what Uribe got from the Dodgers. Much less happy when I found out the Giants almost matched it.)

 

[MarcoPolo]

That is a real hole in Sabean's game (signing guys to long-ish contracts for SSS heroics). Sanchez; Scutaro; Huff; to a lessor extent, Timmeh.

I realize that it would not have been perfect for the org to let these guys walk after their heroics, but they were able to do it with Ross. I also realize that each of these guys filled positions of need for the team (while Ross did not really fill a dire need after getting Melky) at the time while there were not any clear alternatives on the FA market or from within.

But DAYUM, Sabes. Sometimes it is OK to lose a battle in order to win the war. Let us fringers act like jackasses for 6 months because you let someone walk instead of letting us act like jackasses for 6 years because you signed a broken 2B for 3/18.

[/RANT]

I was really upset when I heard what Scutaro got - not so much the yrly amount as the length. (At *most* I thought he should've gotten 2 years w/ a team option for a third. What I really wanted was 1 year with an option for a 2nd.) I remember a series of exchanges with a poster who shall remain nameless who said it was dead-on because of what a WAR was worth.

I was upset because of his AGE. Nobody believed he would produce like he did for those 2 months, but if he would be able to produce remotely close to his career averages it would have been fine : for 1 or 2 years. And I really thought that he might be able to impart some idea of situational hitting to the youngsters (something BamBam has never been able to do). But he's not showing kids how to hit and use the whole field when he's not even with the team.

 

[msgkings322]

Too bad he *didn't* go to the Doggies. Like Uribe (I was so happy when I heard what Uribe got from the Dodgers. Much less happy when I found out the Giants almost matched it.)

Normally that logic makes sense, hoping the rival team overpays for people to hurt their budget...except that doesn't apply to the Dodgers who seem to quite literally have no reasonable limit on what they will spend. So I don't agree, I don't want the Dodgers to get any more good players, no matter what they (over)pay

 

[Mays-Fan]

Normally that logic makes sense, hoping the rival team overpays for people to hurt their budget...except that doesn't apply to the Dodgers who seem to quite literally have no reasonable limit on what they will spend. So I don't agree, I don't want the Dodgers to get any more good players, no matter what they (over)pay

Agreed. For the Dodgers, "overpay" is simply not in their vocabulary anymore. They don't care. I'm actually surprised they weren't mentioned more heavily as suitors for RC. Perhaps they were but they were able to keep it out of the media.

 

[tzill]

I was really upset when I heard what Scutaro got - not so much the yrly amount as the length. (At *most* I thought he should've gotten 2 years w/ a team option for a third. What I really wanted was 1 year with an option for a 2nd.) I remember a series of exchanges with a poster who shall remain nameless who said it was dead-on because of what a WAR was worth.

I was upset because of his AGE. Nobody believed he would produce like he did for those 2 months, but if he would be able to produce remotely close to his career averages it would have been fine : for 1 or 2 years. And I really thought that he might be able to impart some idea of situational hitting to the youngsters (something BamBam has never been able to do). But he's not showing kids how to hit and use the whole field when he's not even with the team.

I think the Scoots signing was more a function of what we didn't have in the system than what the FO felt he'd be worth. Marco got 3/20 for 2013-15. He needs to put up about 3.2 WAR to be "worth" that contract. In 2013 he put up 2.3 WAR, which was in striking distance of justifying the contract in just one year. This year, he's -0.3, so he'll need to put up 1.2 WAR by the end of next year to be a fair deal.

I think he's got a decent shot to do that. 1.2 WAR from a reserve isn't unheard of, and he can spray the ball, pinch hit, has a little pop, and can hit well situationally.

All in all, not a horrific signing at all. I don't see what your issue is with it. Three years was what it was going to take to get him to stay; and again he almost justified the entire contract last year.

 

[calsnowskier]

I think the Scoots signing was more a function of what we didn't have in the system than what the FO felt he'd be worth. Marco got 3/20 for 2013-15. He needs to put up about 3.2 WAR to be "worth" that contract. In 2013 he put up 2.3 WAR, which was in striking distance of justifying the contract in just one year. This year, he's -0.3, so he'll need to put up 1.2 WAR by the end of next year to be a fair deal.

I think he's got a decent shot to do that. 1.2 WAR from a reserve isn't unheard of, and he can spray the ball, pinch hit, has a little pop, and can hit well situationally.

All in all, not a horrific signing at all. I don't see what your issue is with it. Three years was what it was going to take to get him to stay; and again he almost justified the entire contract last year.

But how much WAR have we lost due to Belt being on the shelf?

 

[tzill]

But how much WAR have we lost due to Belt being on the shelf?

Not following the logic of that question at all...

 

[msgkings322]

Not following the logic of that question at all...

cal's been semi-joking about how Scoots isn't just hurting us because he's hurt, but also because apparently he's the guy who beaned Belt and took him out of commission

 

[tzill]

cal's been semi-joking about how Scoots isn't just hurting us because he's hurt, but also because apparently he's the guy who beaned Belt and took him out of commission

Ahhh...got it. I missed that one!