Recruiting Winners & Losers

[blazer prophet]

I was thinking the same thing about my Cats... no history to speak of and ended up with a top 30 class overall.

Totally agree. I muffed not placing them on the 'winner' list.

 

[blazer prophet]

I still can't refute the fact that this was a rough signing day for Washington though. My biggest belief is success begets success. I've said for years if Nebraska could just get over the hump and win a conference championship, the blue chips would start flooding in. Mind you, our classes have been well above average, but we just can't sneak into that top 10 to 15 on a regular basis.

I'd be seriously disappointed if I was a Washington fan. If Nebraska made the playoffs and landed the class they landed this season I'd be up in arms and our class really wasn't that bad (average of 21st over all platforms)

And it's not like they had a bad class, they have been consistently improving for a few years, made the playoffs, good head coach.... I was certain they'd have a top 10 class and not the 5th worst in the Pac-12.

 

[Brasky]

And it's not like they had a bad class, they have been consistently improving for a few years, made the playoffs, good head coach.... I was certain they'd have a top 10 class and not the 5th worst in the Pac-12.

Same could be said about Oregon though... Making 2 national title appearances and still not a ton to show for it on the recruiting trail.

If Nebraska made 2 national title appearances in that time they would be landing top 5 classes year in and year out. That's my opinion.

 

[blazer prophet]

Same could be said about Oregon though... Making 2 national title appearances and still not a ton to show for it on the recruiting trail.

If Nebraska made 2 national title appearances in that time they would be landing top 5 classes year in and year out. That's my opinion.

A fair point. However, I think Helfrich was in over his head and their recruiting methods weren't very good.

 

[4down20]

@ applying handicap philosophy to recruiting.


Remind me again, how many points do you get for that in games?

 

[TheRobotDevil]

You will have to excuse duck fans. They are still new enough to college football that they don't understand what class rankings really mean.

Stanford finished outside the top 10, but killed it in terms of actual talent taken. Only picking up 14 meant their point total wasn't going to be there. No team in the top 10 had less than 21 recruits. Those standings are based off point totals so they are not comparing apples to apples.

Duck is pounding his chest over his class ranking, but it took them picking up 24 to get near the same points as the same UW team he bashes when they only took 18. 6 more kids to equal the same value.

Average is a far more telling story given that some teams can take as many as 10 more kids than other schools.

Sure, UW lost out on a couple of kids late and that hurt, but they will never be a top 10 class under Petersen with his 'OKG' stuff. While I wish he would drop that stuff and go get as dirty in the trenches as the other top programs are, you cannot argue with the results he has had with those 20ish classes he has already brought in. Maybe, just maybe he knows more about the kids he gets than the scouts who rank them do. It's either that or he's just better than almost everyone else at making mid level talent shine. Either way this is his 3rd full class (not counting coming in late to his first he inherited) and he will finally have some of his own kids in the upper class ranks.

The biggest area of need in this class was at WR and TE and by all accounts they destroyed it picking up exactly what they needed. They finally have a 6'4 kind of possession receiver which they haven't had in years. They added speed and a TE that can both block and catch that should also make a big impact on this team.

If you look at 247's averages (I'm sure other sites are comparable) and put the Pac in order based off that you see less surprises. It would go

Stanford
USC
UW
UCLA
Oregon
Utah
ASU
Colorado
Oregon State
Cal
Arizona
WSU

Nothing on that list should really stand out except maybe Colorado being that low?

Do you have a ink to this? I understand teams do sign a different amount of recruits. But this seems kind of like skewing the numbers. To sway the rankings everything I've read looks like this. And SC did finish 5th over all in the composite rankings. The only time I do follow averages.Because it rounds out all the top recruiting sites .And averages the rankings into one solid ranking based on all the sites. Everything else I've read has the PAC basically ranked like this.With SC 1st in the PAC.The Oregon jump was surprising.
PAC 247
2017 Pac-12 Football Team Rankings

The composite avg

UPDATED: Latest 2017 College Football Recruiting Composite Team Rankings

 

[DHoey]

And it's not like they had a bad class, they have been consistently improving for a few years, made the playoffs, good head coach.... I was certain they'd have a top 10 class and not the 5th worst in the Pac-12.

Oregon loaded up on 3 star talent. Washington's class is a little underwhelming but they got quality where they needed it.

 

[RegentDenali]

USC surging back from the abyss just a few months ago to finishing with the 4th ranked recruiting class.

When is USC ever in a recruiting abyss?
Bozo the clown could land top10 recruit classes at USC.

 

[DHoey]

When is USC ever in a recruiting abyss?
Bozo the clown could land top10 recruit classes at USC.

Multiple Bozos have.

 

[Across The Field]

When is USC ever in a recruiting abyss?
Bozo the clown could land top10 recruit classes at USC.

A few months ago. Guys like Joseph Lewis, Jay Tufele, Bubba Bolden, Levi Jones and Greg Johnson were all heavily favored to go elsewhere, and USC landed each and every one of them.

 

[WizardHawk]

I still can't refute the fact that this was a rough signing day for Washington though. My biggest belief is success begets success. I've said for years if Nebraska could just get over the hump and win a conference championship, the blue chips would start flooding in. Mind you, our classes have been well above average, but we just can't sneak into that top 10 to 15 on a regular basis.

I'd be seriously disappointed if I was a Washington fan. If Nebraska made the playoffs and landed the class they landed this season I'd be up in arms and our class really wasn't that bad (average of 21st over all platforms)

Again, more or less not excited, and not disappointed. It was an ok class that addressed several critical needs.

Petersen goes after his kinds of players regardless of star ranking and I'd say he's done pretty damned good with the kids he does go after and keep. I guess we will have to just be depressed about recruiting while we again in the top 5 on the field of play?

 

[WABLTY]

ASU had zero recruits from California (not including transfer Barnett). Zero. As far as I know, that has never happened in the modern era and while the class is small but soso (didn't need to be), getting shut out on everyone they pursued in CA may signal a complete recruiting disaster and the breakdown of neglected pipelines. It wasn't so long ago we pulled 4 or 5 NFL players over 2 years from one town in the I.E. Now nothin.

A lot of these guys that the Nebraskas and Utahs are grabbing would have normally gone to ASU if not for Todd Graham's fascination with being 2nd or 3rd tier in Texas.

 

[Brasky]

Again, more or less not excited, and not disappointed. It was an ok class that addressed several critical needs.

Petersen goes after his kinds of players regardless of star ranking and I'd say he's done pretty damned good with the kids he does go after and keep. I guess we will have to just be depressed about recruiting while we again in the top 5 on the field of play?

A great quarterback can mask a whole lot of problems until you face a team that is good from top to bottom. (USC, Alabama)

 

[DHoey]

A great quarterback can mask a whole lot of problems until you face a team that is good from top to bottom. (USC, Alabama)

I honestly don't think our QB was masking much

 

[WizardHawk]

Do you have a ink to this? I understand teams do sign a different amount of recruits. But this seems kind of like skewing the numbers. To sway the rankings everything I've read looks like this. And SC did finish 5th over all in the composite rankings. The only time I do follow averages.Because it rounds out all the top recruiting sites .And averages the rankings into one solid ranking based on all the sites. Everything else I've read has the PAC basically ranked like this.With SC 1st in the PAC.The Oregon jump was surprising.
PAC 247
2017 Pac-12 Football Team Rankings

The composite avg

UPDATED: Latest 2017 College Football Recruiting Composite Team Rankings

See the averages listed next to each team name? Reorder them and that's the list you get.

Stanford only took 14, but took freakishly good 14. Their average rank per player is higher than USC's, they just have less kids.

Click on the ave button here and arrange them by average:
Rivals.com

This gives you a more fair representation of where their overall quality of player is comparatively, even if the quantity doesn't match up.

Quality wise Stanford won the Pac hands down.

 

[blazer prophet]

I

Oregon loaded up on 3 star talent. Washington's class is a little underwhelming but they got quality where they needed it.

I can appreciate that. We needed line help and got it. Sometimes it's not the rating but how you improved your team.

 

[Brasky]

I honestly don't think our QB was masking much

So if you guys had Tommy Armstrong you would have made the playoffs? Very average quarterback. Could you have done it?

 

[WizardHawk]

A great quarterback can mask a whole lot of problems until you face a team that is good from top to bottom. (USC, Alabama)

I don't think I said UW has a bama level team did I?

But Petersen clearly has moved the team into a very high level of competition given he still had a lot of Sark's kids (also not top 10 classes) and played a lot of underclassmen because his first few classes had better players.

I'm on record as not really buying into his OKG stuff and have brought it up since they announced his hire, but this is what he's about and he gets kids that look at things his way. So far his results have been solid. Will he hit a ceiling and find a point he can't grow past? Possibly/probably, but he isn't there yet.

 

[DHoey]

So if you guys had Tommy Armstrong you would have made the playoffs?

No clue. But what weakness was Browning masking? Because, at no fault to him, his play is why we floundered against Bama.

 

[Brasky]

No clue. But what weakness was Browning masking? Because, at no fault to him, his play is why we floundered against Bama.

I have way too much time on my hands today. I'm gonna watch the hour version and get back to you on my opinion about that one.