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No, we're discussing how important they are. You're claiming Centers are not very valuable because they aren't drafted in the top 10. Which, whatever man.

Then tell me why teams refuse to draft them in the top 10. There has to be a reason that not one team this Century hasn't drafted one in the top 12. Why is that. I mean they are sooooooo important right. Why won't teams a address this crucial position???
 

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Where did I lie about positions. I don't get your point? QB are important and get drafted hi and get huge salaries. Same thing for LT and DE. I wonder why FA Centers don't get 100 million dollar contracts like QB, WR, DE, LT? I wonder why that is if they are soooo valued.
I am uncertain how the amount of money a player makes or where he gets drafted correlates to how important the position is on a play by play basis. It wasn't until recently LTs really started making large salaries, for years O linemen as whole were not paid fairly. You are also comparing Skills positions to technique positions it's sort of an apples to oranges argument. The league has always paid skill positions more because the are the glamour of the NFL most notably QBs and WRs. I guarantee if a center is calling out the wrong blocking schemes, or is getting blown up by DTs that QB is going to fail or at least struggle mightily. How much a player makes or where he is drafted has little to do with how well or poorly he affects the outcome of a play. Other than a QB the Center is the only other player that touches the ball on every single play, he is typically the smartest guy on the team or one of them, the Center / QB exchange is vastly more important than the handoff to RB or the pass to a WR, the ability to read blitzes, call the correct blocking schemes, keep head on a swivel to pick up missed assignments, protect the QB and provide him time is of the utmost importance. All you have really shown me is that Centers are grossly underpaid.
 

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I don't think that. I also know that having a good Center is important. I'm not saying they're useless either. But most everyone knows the four gold positions are QB, LT, DE (or OLB in the 3-4) and CB. Also most everyone knows further down the list are S and C and MLB and TE.

It's completely evident in the draft and FA. If Centers were valued like the other prime positions teams would be fighting for the star FA Centers... but TEAMS don't do this. Centers don't get mega contracts because... as evident in teams not drafting them high, shelling out huge FA monies for C that they are down the list of positional importance.

If they were so valuable when that once in a generation talent comes along they'd go really REALLY high in the draft but they dont. Ever!
I don't really agree. The top centers are getting money in line with lowend WR1's and tier 1 safeties. It's moreso a middle class position. There's a massive difference from a WR1 and a WR2 or even a lowend WR1. The more you condense the positions the less favorable a C looks though, but with the hyper specialized NFL it's not really the case; not all WR's are created equal. Positions that have more flexibility, such as safety, I would anticipate have their salaries grow faster in comparison to inflation. Guys like Mathieu who have value at CB or Berry who have value at ILB do a lot more than the run of the mill safety in previous eras.
 

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Go look at what other posters valued Safety at. Anyone list Safety in their top 5?
Bandwagon fallacy. I don't really care what other people have for their rankings, per se. Why would a position you can plugin at Safety, CB, or ILB be down the list? And if so, I think it's a grossly undervalued position then. I considered putting it over "OT" which is borderline blasphemous for most people.
 

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Then tell me why teams refuse to draft them in the top 10. There has to be a reason that not one team this Century hasn't drafted one in the top 12. Why is that. I mean they are sooooooo important right. Why won't teams a address this crucial position???
Because it's undervalued is the obvious answer. And really you have an arbitrary endpoint. I consider any pick in the first 3 rounds really to be a significant investment, and 1st round pick to be a "high" selection. Why is your endpoint here better than mine?
 

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Because it's undervalued is the obvious answer. And really you have an arbitrary endpoint. I consider any pick in the first 3 rounds really to be a significant investment, and 1st round pick to be a "high" selection. Why is your endpoint here better than mine?

Thank you. You finally agree, "It's an undervalued position"

I think there's a HUGE difference between a top 10 pick than a 3rd rounder. Thats why teams will give up tons of picks to get in the top 10. I think there's a difference between having Cleveland #1 this year and having a 3rd round comp pick. A big difference
 

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Bandwagon fallacy. I don't really care what other people have for their rankings, per se. Why would a position you can plugin at Safety, CB, or ILB be down the list? And if so, I think it's a grossly undervalued position then. I considered putting it over "OT" which is borderline blasphemous for most people.

I do agree cause Safety can change games. They aren't a top 4 position but important enough that teams will use a top 10 pick on one (possibly 2 this year). But Center???? Nah, they'll never go in the top 10
 

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Its really hard for an interior lineman to have a full set of skills that make them worth a top 10 selection. Jonathan Cooper was a G/C that went top 10 with the idea that he was an elite pulling player with average functional strength but that functional strength wasnt even that and he had a lot of injuries.
 

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Its really hard for an interior lineman to have a full set of skills that make them worth a top 10 selection. Jonathan Cooper was a G/C that went top 10 with the idea that he was an elite pulling player with average functional strength but that functional strength wasnt even that and he had a lot of injuries.

He was a Guard.
 

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I appreciate your valid argument. I see your points. I just want another doubters to explain why C hasn't been selected in the top 10 in 50 years. Can someone explain why there's been such a lack of talent at "such a crucial position" that not one team ever used a top 10 pick on a Center. A 50 year drought?
 

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I appreciate your valid argument. I see your points. I just want another doubters to explain why C hasn't been selected in the top 10 in 50 years. Can someone explain why there's been such a lack of talent at "such a crucial position" that not one team ever used a top 10 pick on a Center. A 50 year drought?
They have gone just outside of the top 10 in recent years is the thing here...
 
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