Randy Johnson HOF Arizona or Seattle?

[The Derski]

I've been reading around and found this to be an interesting debate. When Randy Johnson gets inducted into the HOF which teams cap will he be wearing?

Seattle:
10 Seasons
130-74
3.42 ERA
2162 strikeouts
1 Cy Young Award
1 No Hitter

Arizona:
8 Seasons
118-62
2.83 ERA
2077 strikeouts
4 Cy Young Awards
1 Perfect Game
1 WS Title
1 WS Co-MVP
1 Killed bird

 

[Arizona_Sting]

Has to be Arizona. More Cy Youngs in AZ, and he won a WS there.

 

[The Derski]

Has to be Arizona. More Cy Youngs in AZ, and he won a WS there.

I agree. His most dominant years were with Arizona. Just curious to see what other people thought.

 

[EnterSandman]

Yeah, he was very good with Seattle but other-worldly with Arizona

 

[anotheridiot]

I would say seattle, just because they screwed andre dawson who's best years were as a cub for a defunct montreal team. It is the hall of fames decision.

 

[StanMarsh51]

I would say seattle, just because they screwed andre dawson who's best years were as a cub for a defunct montreal team. It is the hall of fames decision.

I don't see much of an issue putting Dawson in with an Expos cap...

With the Expos, he hit .280/.326/.476 (122 OPS+), and with the Cubs he hit .285/.327/.507 (125 OPS)+...he had slightly better numbers overall with the Cubs, but he also played approx 600 more games with the Expos, including his early developing years.

 

[The Derski]

To me and probably most people Arizona is a no brainer. Better stats across the line in Arizona. Even won the pitching Triple Crown in 2002 with 24-5 record, 2.32 ERA, and 334 K's.

 

[1905 Giants]

I'd prefer him as a Mariner, but I understand why it should be Arizona.

 

[DragonfromTO]

I don't see much of an issue putting Dawson in with an Expos cap...

With the Expos, he hit .280/.326/.476 (122 OPS+), and with the Cubs he hit .285/.327/.507 (125 OPS)+...he had slightly better numbers overall with the Cubs, but he also played approx 600 more games with the Expos, including his early developing years.

He was also a fleet footed CF for his time in Montreal rather than a lumbering RF. One can argue that it was his time on Montreal's turf that slowed him down in Chicago, but that doesn't change things strictly from a value standpoint. His 4 best WAR seasons were all in Montreal, and 8 of his best 10.

 

[Orange602]

Has to be Arizona. More dominant numbers all around and he was the centerpiece of a championship team.

 

[obxyankeefan]

Has to be Arizona. More dominant numbers all around and he was the centerpiece of a championship team.

I would say based on numbers he should go in as a Diamondback. But didn't the HoF decide on someone else based on the amount of time spent with each team?

 

[broncosmitty]

I honestly think of the Ms when I think Randy Johnson. He established his greatness there. But I don't really care.

 

[StanMarsh51]

I would say based on numbers he should go in as a Diamondback. But didn't the HoF decide on someone else based on the amount of time spent with each team?

The HOF started deciding themselves after the Rays allegedly gave Wade Boggs $ to choose a Rays cap when he was going into the HOF.

RJ only has 200 more innings with the M's than with the D'Backs, so I think the fact that he was much better with the D'Backs trumps that (he was a pretty mediocre pitcher for close to 1/2 his tenure with the M's).

 

[StanMarsh51]

I honestly think of the Ms when I think Randy Johnson. He established his greatness there. But I don't really care.

So what, Miguel Cabrera 'established his greatness' with the Marlins, but I don't think anyone would say he's likely going into the HOF wearing a fish cap.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

AZ

 

[broncosmitty]

I don't think The Marlins will have much to do with Cabrera making the Hall. Unlike Johnson, who has more wins, Ks, seasons and I assume innings with his earlier club.(Or Sparky Anderson, who has a Reds cap on on his plaque) Miguel didn't have more of anything with his earlier club. (I dont think Expos when I think of The Big Unit) Unless you covet outfield starts, which would be weird. Again though, if he did, I wouldn't really care. (Do you think Florida Marlins when you think Miguel Cabrera?)

 

[StanMarsh51]

I don't think The Marlins will have much to do with Cabrera making the Hall. Unlike Johnson, who has more wins, Ks, seasons and I assume innings with his earlier club.(Or Sparky Anderson, who has a Reds cap on on his plaque) Miguel didn't have more of anything with his earlier club. (I dont think Expos when I think of The Big Unit) Unless you covet outfield starts, which would be weird. Again though, if he did, I wouldn't really care. (Do you think Florida Marlins when you think Miguel Cabrera?)

5 of Johnson's 7 best seasons came with Arizona. The only reason he's got more K's and wins with the M's is because he has about a season more of starts with them...in just about everything else, his #'s with Arizona easily trumps his numbers with the M's

Arizona - .656 win %, 164 ERA+, 1.07 WHIP, 2.3 BB/9, 11.5 K/9
Mariner - .637 win %, 128 ERA+, 1.25 WHIP, 4.3 BB/9, 10.6 K/9

And as already mentioned, he had 4 Cys with Arizona (shouldn't been 5), and just 1 with the M's. Also, his perfect game, 20K game, and WS MVP came with the D'Backs

I don't see how it's not the D'Backs hat he's wearing...he was undeniably more dominant with them and most of his major accomplishments came with them

 

[broncosmitty]

I still think Ms when I think Randy Johnson. But nice work with the research all the same.

 

[BigDDude]

I would say based on numbers he should go in as a Diamondback. But didn't the HoF decide on someone else based on the amount of time spent with each team?

I don't think it is a straight number of years thing. I think it is an impact thing, as in, what team did he make the most impact to his career with.

As such, he gets an A from the HOF.

And, what? No love for the Expos or Astros?

Sheesh.......

 

[The Derski]

I don't think it is a straight number of years thing. I think it is an impact thing, as in, what team did he make the most impact to his career with.

As such, he gets an A from the HOF.

And, what? No love for the Expos or Astros?

Sheesh.......

Good one. Although he did go 10-1 in 1/3 of a season in Houston.