Profar Up

[jta4437]

Profar up...

Also recalling Martin Perez, Leonys Martin, Brandon Snyder, and Yoshinori Tateyama from Triple-A Round Rock,

Also Robbie Ross to the 15-day disabled list with a left forearm strain and recalling right-hander Tanner Scheppers (Allows the Rangers to bring Scheppers back to the majors immediately, as opposed to waiting for another five days for his 10-day cooldown)

Purchased the contract of Tyler Tufts and adding him to the major league disabled list, and designating Miguel De Los Santos for assignment

 

[jta4437]

Quote from Wash...

"the only way Profar would be playing for Texas is if the Rangers were 10-15 games out."

Note: paraphrased bc the quote didn't make much sense

"the only way Profar would be playing for [Texas] is if would be playing for us is [the Rangers] were 10-15 games out." ---- actual quote

 

[jta4437]

At some point the front office is going to have to stop allowing Wash to hijack this team with his irrational decisions

Murphy to DH and Gentry in CF is the optimal lineup/defense going forward, and now you have backup OFers on the bench, so that excuse is moot now

But I'm sure we're all well aware that Wash will continue to get nothing out of the 6 hole, b/c that guy used to be good, and he's not going to give up on him now, and we shouldn't either, and if we do we're not real fans

 

[romeo212000]

At some point the front office is going to have to stop allowing Wash to hijack this team with his irrational decisions

Murphy to DH and Gentry in CF is the optimal lineup/defense going forward, and now you have backup OFers on the bench, so that excuse is moot now

But I'm sure we're all well aware that Wash will continue to get nothing out of the 6 hole, b/c that guy used to be good, and he's not going to give up on him now, and we shouldn't either, and if we do we're not real fans

I've said everything I can about it. I just change the channel when MY comes up to bat now.

 

[WilltheThrill]

At some point the front office is going to have to stop allowing Wash to hijack this team with his irrational decisions

Murphy to DH and Gentry in CF is the optimal lineup/defense going forward, and now you have backup OFers on the bench, so that excuse is moot now

But I'm sure we're all well aware that Wash will continue to get nothing out of the 6 hole, b/c that guy used to be good, and he's not going to give up on him now, and we shouldn't either, and if we do we're not real fans

The other day Norm Hitzges was talking about a clash developing between JD and Wash due to the Mike Olt situation. JD brought Olt up to play and instructed Wash to find him playing time however possible. Wash did not like being told what to do and insists on doing things his way.

The gist of the whole segment was that Wash used to be a lot more laid-back and open to instruction from the front office. But because the Rangers have gone to back to back World Series, Ron thinks he has enough skins on the wall to do what he wants and doesn't like JD butting in much. Kind of like "I'm gonna play my guys how I want to and you know you can't fire a first place manager in the closing months of a pennant race."

I'm not sure how much of it was direct knowledge, indirect knowledge, or pure speculation on Hitzges' part. But I do know Norm has been covering the Rangers longer than just about anyone and has built up a reputation over the years as being very credible and knowledgeable when it comes to the team's inner workings. I have to say that I have noticed that Wash has become much more combative in post-game press conferences and interviews this season, railing against anyone who questions his lineups and moves. He's thrown players under the bus numerous times and called us all bad fans for wanting less MY. So I could see him taking a similar attitude with JD over the Olt thing.

Why even bring up Profar if there is no way he will ever see the field? Why not give Kinsler or Andrus a day off or two in September and let the kid get his feet wet (especially if/when the division title looks more like a done deal)? This whole "kids have no place in a pennant race" stuff is pure nonsense. Look at the spark Manny Machado gave the O's. He's cooled a bit, but he won a few games for them upon first getting called up.

 

[jta4437]

Why not give Kinsler or Andrus a day off or two in September and let the kid get his feet wet (especially if/when the division title looks more like a done deal)?

Agree with this completely, No need to wear players down unnecessarily at the end, plus its never a bad thing to get a young player's feet wet b/c after all baseball about more than just THIS season,

The point is, players like Olt and Profar ARE part of the future somehow, and it makes no sense to just waste their talents,

I have also noticed the combative nature in his interviews, and thing like saying Hamilton needs a day off AND needs to moved in the order b/c of his struggles (correct), but not doing the same with Young WHILE offering excuses for him AND questioning anybody who questioned said rationale (incorrect)

I think JD has started using prospects that people think so highly of to expose Washington's irrational lineup and management decisions to the general public to garner a collective WTF from even the casual fan

My feeling is that, barring a major trade of some sort, Olt and Profar will be the 3B and SS most of next year and will seriously push for major playing time AFTER next season

We could debate all night about what to do with Andrus, but I can't even begin to speculate as to what the correct decision is, I'll leave the ultimate decision on that to JD as I have learned to trust his judgement in matters like this

 

[bone3421]

Wash needs to pull his head out of his ass

 

[jta4437]

Wash needs to pull his head out of his ass

Agreed, I'm not advocating playing Profar everyday by any means, but as the Thrill said, nothing wrong with giving him a couple starts a week at SS or 2B and spelling Andrus and Kinsler, who have played pretty much every day this season

 

[Windingmywatch]

JD brought Olt up to trump MY playing either corner forcing MY to the middle. Now JD has trumpted Wash using MY in the middle. Why else do you promte TWO guys from AA?

MY may get his full PT this year but it is going to be near impossible next year.

 

[WilltheThrill]

Agree with this completely, No need to wear players down unnecessarily at the end, plus its never a bad thing to get a young player's feet wet b/c after all baseball about more than just THIS season,

The point is, players like Olt and Profar ARE part of the future somehow, and it makes no sense to just waste their talents,

I have also noticed the combative nature in his interviews, and thing like saying Hamilton needs a day off AND needs to moved in the order b/c of his struggles (correct), but not doing the same with Young WHILE offering excuses for him AND questioning anybody who questioned said rationale (incorrect)

I think JD has started using prospects that people think so highly of to expose Washington's irrational lineup and management decisions to the general public to garner a collective WTF from even the casual fan

My feeling is that, barring a major trade of some sort, Olt and Profar will be the 3B and SS most of next year and will seriously push for major playing time AFTER next season

We could debate all night about what to do with Andrus, but I can't even begin to speculate as to what the correct decision is, I'll leave the ultimate decision on that to JD as I have learned to trust his judgement in matters like this

I've heard everything from trading him to Boston for Lester and Ellsbury to trading him to Arizona for Upton.

My take is that he is worth whatever it costs to keep him. I know that's easier said than done, especially with needing money to re-sign one or several of Josh, Nelly, Adams, Napoli, etc. while also possibly upgrading the rotation, but I just think too many elite middle infielders is never a bad thing. I think Elvis is still getting better and Profar will be special as well. I'd not let either of them get away and have the middle infield taken care of for at least the next 5-7 years. Move one to 2B and then move Kinsler wherever, LF, DH, another team for an elite arm... I don't care. A Beltre-Andrus-Profar-Moreland infield would be one of the best defensive infields the game has seen in some time.

 

[jta4437]

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I've heard everything from trading him to Boston for Lester and Ellsbury to trading him to Arizona for Upton.

My take is that he is worth whatever it costs to keep him. I know that's easier said than done, especially with needing money to re-sign one or several of Josh, Nelly, Adams, Napoli, etc. while also possibly upgrading the rotation, but I just think too many elite middle infielders is never a bad thing. I think Elvis is still getting better and Profar will be special as well. I'd not let either of them get away and have the middle infield taken care of for at least the next 5-7 years. Move one to 2B and then move Kinsler wherever, LF, DH, another team for an elite arm... I don't care. A Beltre-Andrus-Profar-Moreland infield would be one of the best defensive infields the game has seen in some time.

I agree about keeping Andrus, and finding another IF position for Profar

I could even see Profar's bat and defensive abilities playing well at 3B as an eventual replacement for Beltre in a couple years

I know many don't like the idea of moving Kinsler to the OF b/c of he loses value in the OF b/c of his salary, but I'm all about putting the best 9 on the field going forward

 

[scotsman1948]

if someone changes the channel when the Rangers are batting then they are not really fans no matter what their excuse may be

 

[romeo212000]

if someone changes the channel when the Rangers are batting then they are not really fans no matter what their excuse may be

You're an apologist to the point of stupidity and I really don't care if you think I'm a "true fan" or not. My posts on this board bleed passion for the rangers as do yours. The only difference is I see things objectively whereas you lap up whatever Evan Grant and wash feed you in spite of what's in front of your face.

 

[jta4437]

if someone changes the channel when the Rangers are batting then they are not really fans no matter what their excuse may be

I root for MY while he plays for the Rangers, but I'm not afraid to express my disgust with one of the worst seasons of his career, if not the worst

If I choose to root for him yet change the channel bc I refuse to watch his pathetic ABs then thats my choice, it doesn't make me less of a fan, it means I'm low on my blood pressure medication

 

[Al Falfa]

JD brought Olt up to trump MY playing either corner forcing MY to the middle. Now JD has trumpted Wash using MY in the middle. Why else do you promte TWO guys from AA?

MY may get his full PT this year but it is going to be near impossible next year.

JMO, but I think promoting two talents like Olt and Profar maybe made/makes more sense than trading. I also believe, there is to much at stake for JD to worry about trumping Wash or forcing Wash's hand when it would be easier to just tell Washington to drop MY in the order or sit him on the bench more. After all, Wash works for JD.

All I care about is winning and that's why I have cut Wash some slack, but this MY thing of hitting 6th and Wash's refusal to move him regardless of how bad he is, is hard to understand. If Wash wants to go down on the ship with Young, fine, but it's a 25 man ship.

 

[romeo212000]

JMO, but I think promoting two talents like Olt and Profar maybe made/makes more sense than trading. I also believe, there is to much at stake for JD to worry about trumping Wash or forcing Wash's hand when it would be easier to just tell Washington to drop MY in the order or sit him on the bench more. After all, Wash works for JD.

All I care about is winning and that's why I have cut Wash some slack, but this MY thing of hitting 6th and Wash's refusal to move him regardless of how bad he is, is hard to understand. If Wash wants to go down on the ship with Young, fine, but it's a 25 man ship.

And my guess is an early exit from the playoffs is enough for JD to excuse Wash in the offseason. There is certainly merit to the "as long as he is winning" argument, but if you're going to be that stubborn and obstinate you better win the whole damn thing to get by with it.

 

[romeo212000]

I root for MY while he plays for the Rangers, but I'm not afraid to express my disgust with one of the worst seasons of his career, if not the worst

If I choose to root for him yet change the channel bc I refuse to watch his pathetic ABs then thats my choice, it doesn't make me less of a fan, it means I'm low on my blood pressure medication

Rep when I can.

 

[scotsman1948]

You're an apologist to the point of stupidity and I really don't care if you think I'm a "true fan" or not. My posts on this board bleed passion for the rangers as do yours. The only difference is I see things objectively whereas you lap up whatever Evan Grant and wash feed you in spite of what's in front of your face.

as usual you spew BS. i am not now nor have i ever been an apologist. you just can't stand that someone doesn't agree with your views. now jta is a fan he may not like MY but he recognizes that the TEAM is going to go with players that have track records and not mess with team chemistry just because we may feel that Olt should get more playing time or putting all our outfielders in lineup at the same time makes sense. i would have been quite content to see Young spending more time on the bench if there had been some way of doing it with hamstringing the team in other areas but there hasn't been that option

 

[romeo212000]

as usual you spew BS. i am not now nor have i ever been an apologist. you just can't stand that someone doesn't agree with your views. now jta is a fan he may not like MY but he recognizes that the TEAM is going to go with players that have track records and not mess with team chemistry just because we may feel that Olt should get more playing time or putting all our outfielders in lineup at the same time makes sense. i would have been quite content to see Young spending more time on the bench if there had been some way of doing it with hamstringing the team in other areas but there hasn't been that option

JTA said nothing contradictory to what I said. You're so full of crap your eyes are brown. Your baseball knowledge is a freaking joke. Jta has already posted long ago about how to take young out of the lineup without hamstringing the team, but you continue to ignore logic. The fact that you think taking young out of the lineup hamstrings the team at all shows just how little baseball knowledge you actually have.

If you're going to converse with the adults you should probably come with some facts and know what you're talking about. You've been proven wrong on every front of your MY apologism with hard numbers by myself and multiple others. Have yourself a good cry about it and move on.

I'll refuse to believe the same person who bitched and moaned incessantly about the rangers being content to get worse while the angels got better when they signed pujols and Wilson, and drew parallels of JD to Tom Hicks unless he went out and over paid for Fielder or trade the farm for someone has enough baseball sense to tell someone else they don't know what they're talking about. Again, if you don't like what I have to say put me on ignore. Otherwise man up and come in here with some decent baseball knowledge and logic. Have a blessed day.

 

[Al Falfa]

And my guess is an early exit from the playoffs is enough for JD to excuse Wash in the offseason. There is certainly merit to the "as long as he is winning" argument, but if you're going to be that stubborn and obstinate you better win the whole damn thing to get by with it.

It may depend on the reason for an early exit. If it's pitching then there will always be the injury thing and the fact that the FO signed Oswalt and Dempster as replacements and they have been less than stellar. If MY continues his miserable work from the six hole and kills some rallies at playoff time then there may be some eye brows raised.
Anywho, it's hard to fire a guy who has managed a team to three straight playoffs.