Posey's future

[CameronFrye]

I know that Buster wants to stay at catcher and that he is a value to the Giants while he is there. But with the talent the Giants have in the minors (and Chez3) and with his injury last season, most people here think that it would be best if Posey not remain at catcher. The logical place for him to move seems to be 1B.

Well, I want to think outside the box here. At 1B, Posey becomes an average bat at best. He would be Mark Grace lite. 15-20 bombs 85-90 RBI and a .300 batting average. Those are solid numbers, but not power numbers. Plus, putting Posey at 1B would be condemning Brandon Belt to another organization because we all know that Belt is not the LF of the future.

So, what does the organization do with Posey? I started thinking about him and the name that keeps coming to me is Craig Biggio. Sure, Biggio was smaller than Posey, but Buster is just as good an athlete as Biggio, if not better. Buster was a SS in college and only switched to C because the team needed him there. The move to 2B could not be THAT difficult.

Why not give the kid a 2B glove and see what he can do with it on the infield? Freddie Sanchez is too Italian - ooh Fragee-lee - and is getting up in age. Burriss sucks and always will. TheRiot is a stop-gap at best. Unless the Giants move Panik from SS to 2B, they really do not have a top prospect at the 2B position. If the China Doll makes it back onto the field this season, he can play most of the games at 2B while Posey learns. In the future, Sanchez/Susac at C, Belt at 1B, Posey at 2B, Panik at SS, Panda/Chris Dominguez at 3B, Peguero, Brown and (insert player here) in the OF.

Fire at will.

 

[Stokes1931]

I know that Buster wants to stay at catcher and that he is a value to the Giants while he is there. But with the talent the Giants have in the minors (and Chez3) and with his injury last season, most people here think that it would be best if Posey not remain at catcher. The logical place for him to move seems to be 1B.

Well, I want to think outside the box here. At 1B, Posey becomes an average bat at best. He would be Mark Grace lite. 15-20 bombs 85-90 RBI and a .300 batting average. Those are solid numbers, but not power numbers. Plus, putting Posey at 1B would be condemning Brandon Belt to another organization because we all know that Belt is not the LF of the future.

So, what does the organization do with Posey? I started thinking about him and the name that keeps coming to me is Craig Biggio. Sure, Biggio was smaller than Posey, but Buster is just as good an athlete as Biggio, if not better. Buster was a SS in college and only switched to C because the team needed him there. The move to 2B could not be THAT difficult.

Why not give the kid a 2B glove and see what he can do with it on the infield? Freddie Sanchez is too Italian - ooh Fragee-lee - and is getting up in age. Burriss sucks and always will. TheRiot is a stop-gap at best. Unless the Giants move Panik from SS to 2B, they really do not have a top prospect at the 2B position. If the China Doll makes it back onto the field this season, he can play most of the games at 2B while Posey learns. In the future, Sanchez/Susac at C, Belt at 1B, Posey at 2B, Panik at SS, Panda/Chris Dominguez at 3B, Peguero, Brown and (insert player here) in the OF.

Fire at will.

Good out of the box thinking. But are you already condemning Stamos to the dust heap? Or is he just a bench guy? People rave about his "D", and I have seen it with my own ojos.

Wasn't it easier back in the day when the Giants had like three actual MLB players on the team, and we argued fruitlessly about the scrubs? Now that there is real talent coming through the pipeline, something has to give.

Posey seems to like catching, and I wouldn't see this move for a while. Still, he seems to be a team guy, and in Nuke's cliche, "Is only here to help the ball club."

Would we ever consider trading Posey? I shudder to think, he has bonded so well with the fans and his teammates. But hell, they traded Willie Mays, is anyone untouchable?

 

[filosofy29]

I know that Buster wants to stay at catcher and that he is a value to the Giants while he is there. But with the talent the Giants have in the minors (and Chez3) and with his injury last season, most people here think that it would be best if Posey not remain at catcher. The logical place for him to move seems to be 1B.

Well, I want to think outside the box here. At 1B, Posey becomes an average bat at best. He would be Mark Grace lite. 15-20 bombs 85-90 RBI and a .300 batting average. Those are solid numbers, but not power numbers. Plus, putting Posey at 1B would be condemning Brandon Belt to another organization because we all know that Belt is not the LF of the future.

So, what does the organization do with Posey? I started thinking about him and the name that keeps coming to me is Craig Biggio. Sure, Biggio was smaller than Posey, but Buster is just as good an athlete as Biggio, if not better. Buster was a SS in college and only switched to C because the team needed him there. The move to 2B could not be THAT difficult.

Why not give the kid a 2B glove and see what he can do with it on the infield? Freddie Sanchez is too Italian - ooh Fragee-lee - and is getting up in age. Burriss sucks and always will. TheRiot is a stop-gap at best. Unless the Giants move Panik from SS to 2B, they really do not have a top prospect at the 2B position. If the China Doll makes it back onto the field this season, he can play most of the games at 2B while Posey learns. In the future, Sanchez/Susac at C, Belt at 1B, Posey at 2B, Panik at SS, Panda/Chris Dominguez at 3B, Peguero, Brown and (insert player here) in the OF.

Fire at will.

I stand by this. I think we should let him catch for the next couple seasons and see how it goes, but eventually have him slide over to 3rd. If Panda can't keep the weight off, he may look a lot better over at 1st in three years.
I like Belt a ton and I think he'll do well up here, but I'm not going to count my chickens with him.

 

[CameronFrye]

Good out of the box thinking. But are you already condemning Stamos to the dust heap? Or is he just a bench guy? People rave about his "D", and I have seen it with my own ojos.

I don't see him ever developing a true Major League bat. When it's all said and done, I think he'll be a lot more like Cody Ransom or Brian Bocock than Omar Vizquel or Royce Clayton.

Wasn't it easier back in the day when the Giants had like three actual MLB players on the team, and we argued fruitlessly about the scrubs? Now that there is real talent coming through the pipeline, something has to give.

LOL. I never thought the day would come when the Giants had so much talent in the minors that we would be arguing over which home-grown player is better. For years I thought that Matt Williams was going to be the last of the true home-grown superstars.

Posey seems to like catching, and I wouldn't see this move for a while. Still, he seems to be a team guy, and in Nuke's cliche, "Is only here to help the ball club."

No doubt. He should be the primary guy behind the dish this year. Next year is another story, but I have no doubt that it would not take him long to become an above-average defender at second base.

Would we ever consider trading Posey? I shudder to think, he has bonded so well with the fans and his teammates. But hell, they traded Willie Mays, is anyone untouchable?

Not unless he demanded to stay at catcher. Even then, the Giants would have to bring back a haul of players to consider letting him go. Mays is not really an apt comparison because he was very much older by the time the trade was made. Posey is still a kid. His best years are still in front of him. I would just like to see him playing every day and moving away from the dish is the best way to ensure that happens.

 

[mistgl]

I stand by this. I think we should let him catch for the next couple seasons and see how it goes, but eventually have him slide over to 3rd. If Panda can't keep the weight off, he may look a lot better over at 1st in three years.
I like Belt a ton and I think he'll do well up here, but I'm not going to count my chickens with him.

This. I always figured that if one of the young catchers forced the issue, then we should move Posey to third and Panda to first. Posey would have to lean out a bit and drop some of that catching weight, but I think he has the talent to play the hot corner.

Granted, the injury may not hamper Posey at all past this year and he goes on to be a great MLB C. ToJo or Susac are going to have to be elite to usurp Posey from catcher imo.

 

[Mays-Fan]

I don't see him ever developing a true Major League bat. When it's all said and done, I think he'll be a lot more like Cody Ransom or Brian Bocock than Omar Vizquel or Royce Clayton.


LOL. I never thought the day would come when the Giants had so much talent in the minors that we would be arguing over which home-grown player is better. For years I thought that Matt Williams was going to be the last of the true home-grown superstars.


No doubt. He should be the primary guy behind the dish this year. Next year is another story, but I have no doubt that it would not take him long to become an above-average defender at second base.


Not unless he demanded to stay at catcher. Even then, the Giants would have to bring back a haul of players to consider letting him go. Mays is not really an apt comparison because he was very much older by the time the trade was made. Posey is still a kid. His best years are still in front of him. I would just like to see him playing every day and moving away from the dish is the best way to ensure that happens.

Certainly moving Posey to 2B is a good thought on paper, but an aspect of this not yet mentioned is that Posey's injured leg was his LEFT one. It is, of course, the LEFT leg that the 2B pivots on to make the throw. When runners come bearing down to break up the double play at 2B, it is the LEFT leg that they aim for and is most vulnerable.

 

[gp956]

The Martins recruited Posey as a lights-out high school pitcher who also could hit. The plan was to see how Posey developed. They saw definite pro potential in him as a corner infielder or pitcher. In his first season, Posey developed into a Freshman All-American shortstop in 2006, a fine fielder who hit .346.

Then Florida State recruited a hot shortstop and Martin planned to move Posey to third base for 2007. With his heavy lower body, Posey seemed to have more major-league potential at a corner infield spot than at shortstop, anyway.

I think covering 2B will be a stretch for Posey. He's not going to get any quicker as he ages, and I'd estimate his range at 2B would be really poor if he played there now.

Nope....I don't think this idea will make it.

 

[Mays-Fan]

This. I always figured that if one of the young catchers forced the issue, then we should move Posey to third and Panda to first. Posey would have to lean out a bit and drop some of that catching weight, but I think he has the talent to play the hot corner.

Granted, the injury may not hamper Posey at all past this year and he goes on to be a great MLB C. ToJo or Susac are going to have to be elite to usurp Posey from catcher imo.

It's getting to be a nice problem to have - too many competitors for too few positions.

If it's Posey to 3B, and Panda to 1B, whither goest Belt and Pill? Maybe I've got the orange-colored glasses on, but I think Pill is underrated.

Maybe he's a statue at 2B, but a good-hitting statue beats a non-hitting hole IMHO. I like that 5.000 OPS !!! (LOL)

 

[calsnowskier]

Comparing Posey to Biggio?

How novel...

 

[ColinCoby]

I think covering 2B will be a stretch for Posey. He's not going to get any quicker as he ages, and I'd estimate his range at 2B would be really poor if he played there now.
Nope....I don't think this idea will make it.

+1. Exactly what I was thinking. Biggio was quick, something Posey is not. He's either a catcher, a 1st baseman, or a 3rd baseman.

I picture him being like Kent, but with less range.

 

[msgkings322]

+1. Exactly what I was thinking. Biggio was quick, something Posey is not. He's either a catcher, a 1st baseman, or a 3rd baseman.

I picture him being like Kent, but with less range.

And hopefully without the ****o mustache.

Wow, I forgot you can say "fucking cocksucking piece of shit" here but not p-o-r-n-o

I guess that's to keep the web crawlers and spam away.

 

[gp956]

Comparing Posey to Biggio?

How novel...

LOL Who was it that got all over you for doing that? Marcus?

 

[CameronFrye]

Comparing Posey to Biggio?

How novel...

cal - Did I just tread over ground that you have already covered? My apologies if I have.

 

[ColinCoby]

And hopefully without the ****o mustache.

Wow, I forgot you can say "fucking cocksucking piece of shit" here but not p-o-r-n-o

I guess that's to keep the web crawlers and spam away.

LOL. Rep. (edit: shit...I owe you)

Hopefully Posey pays someone else to "wash his truck" also.

 

[calsnowskier]

cal - Did I just tread over ground that you have already covered? My apologies if I have.

No no no

Just a recall to a long debate at the mouse-den. I made a similar projection for Posey and was completely destroyed by a newb-fuck for the thought. It was not long after that episode that this place emerged.

GP, I think t was Freak(???)

 

[Mays-Fan]

No no no

Just a recall to a long debate at the mouse-den. I made a similar projection for Posey and was completely destroyed by a newb-fuck for the thought. It was not long after that episode that this place emerged.

GP, I think t was Freak(???)

IIRC correctly, it was FreakyFranchise55, or something close to that. A complete jerk, thought he was The Gift. He had an alt or three as well, I believe.

Thank God for this board and its ability to ban/ignore posters.

Repped as a lifetime achievement award.

Please keep up the great work.

 

[the_broom]

LOL. Rep. (edit: shit...I owe you)

Hopefully Posey pays someone else to "wash his truck" also.

I got him for you...

 

[MarcoPolo]

It's getting to be a nice problem to have - too many competitors for too few positions.

Flashes of McCovey/Cepeda. I don't remember seeing Cepeda play in a Giants' uni, but I do remember my dad and older brothers crying about having to trade him away. I heard the teeth gnashing and wailing every time he came back to play with a visiting team.

Sure, having to decide which guy to play where because of a glut is much, much better than having no local-grown talent. But, beware of what you wish for ...

 

[msgkings322]

I got him for you...

 

[msgkings322]

Flashes of McCovey/Cepeda. I don't remember seeing Cepeda play in a Giants' uni, but I do remember my dad and older brothers crying about having to trade him away. I heard the teeth gnashing and wailing every time he came back to play with a visiting team.

Sure, having to decide which guy to play where because of a glut is much, much better than having no local-grown talent. But, beware of what you wish for ...

To me the glut is more a benefit because they won't all work out realistically so you have backup plans. Belt may or may not work out, so then there's Posey or Panda or Pill for 1B. Maybe ToJo or Susac or Sanchez are busts...etc.