Please say this isnt true!

[jarntt]

I am having doubts about Bosa at #4. His pro day was not that good. I am concerned about his speed. Can't have another B.C. part 2 suckeye. Buckner seems more intriguing.

I just don't get a lot of fans infatuation with the 40 time or why Bosa was criticized for it at the combine. It really does not matter. There are so many other important times that more closely represent what an NFL player does during a game. But, even if you want to think that the 40 is important, why would a guy who is 270lbs and would play strong side DE in our defense give you doubts after running in the mid 4.7 range??? I just don't get that thinking at all




See a lot of Hall of Famers on this list:
11 Fastest 40-Yard Dashes in NFL History

 

[UK Cowboy]

I still don't get why everyone readily assumes Wentz over Goff. I think Goff goes first and I don't even think it's close between the two...

I just think Wentz is a better fit for the Cowboys situation. The consensus of what I've read is that Goff is more polished and would be able to start sooner, but if he doesn't have to play right away, Wentz is more talented and has a higher upside . Since Jerry plans on Romo being here for the next few years, I'd rather have the higher ceiling guy

 

[cowboycolors]

Wentz vs Goff is a tossup depending on what your looking for Wentz has better footwork and a better arm but needs to work on his progression Goff has better progression but needs work on his footwork and his arm is ok not a rocket but ok . Goff will struggle early under center but is better prepared to run a offense now. Wentz will need time like Tony to adapt to the speed of the pro game but has better tools and a higher ceiling and a lower floor.

I watched Wentz for 3 years at NDSU he has all the tools and will make somebody not named Cleveland a excellent QB in about 2-3 years if that. Im not a scout never claimed to be but if your taking a QB you can lots worse than Wentz.

Hell Jimmy was not sold on Troy and took Walsh with the 1st round Supplement pick costing Dallas the first pick in the draft. If Jimmy could not figure it out after all those years who are we to even speculate.

with that said I still like Wentz over Goff take that Jimmy you waffler at QB

 

[Manster7588]

I agree that the team may be looking at keeping Carr as an option. To me it was dumb last year and is even dumber this year. But that doesn't mean we won't do it.

Not saying it wise to keep him, just saying the team may want to fill the DB spots before releasing him just in case they end up needing him

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Wentz vs Goff is a tossup depending on what your looking for Wentz has better footwork and a better arm but needs to work on his progression Goff has better progression but needs work on his footwork and his arm is ok not a rocket but ok . Goff will struggle early under center but is better prepared to run a offense now. Wentz will need time like Tony to adapt to the speed of the pro game but has better tools and a higher ceiling and a lower floor.

I watched Wentz for 3 years at NDSU he has all the tools and will make somebody not named Cleveland a excellent QB in about 2-3 years if that. Im not a scout never claimed to be but if your taking a QB you can lots worse than Wentz.

Hell Jimmy was not sold on Troy and took Walsh with the 1st round Supplement pick costing Dallas the first pick in the draft. If Jimmy could not figure it out after all those years who are we to even speculate.

with that said I still like Wentz over Goff take that Jimmy you waffler at QB

If dealing with QBs that are rated in the same round. I always will say take the more intelligent QB over the more gifted one.

If I knew for a fact the cowboys were taking a Qb in the 1st round I would take Goff over wentz. (from what I read)
Kaepernick has all kinds of physical gifts. I wouldn't want him to save my life. One read progression & then oh shit! Now I am not saying Wentz is like good ol' Kaep! but I take the QB that can read progression better than the gifted guy. (staying with the theme of niner QBs. Like Montana, who wasn't drafted til the 3rd round)

Intelligence over physical gifts every time!

 

[jarntt]

Not saying it wise to keep him, just saying the team may want to fill the DB spots before releasing him just in case they end up needing him

I agree, but when you are trying to bring in another DB (if we even are) it may keep him from signing here because even if you say you are going to cut Carr, you haven't. So that DB may feel like his opportunity to play is in question.

 

[jarntt]

If dealing with QBs that are rated in the same round. I always will say take the more intelligent QB over the more gifted one.

If I knew for a fact the cowboys were taking a Qb in the 1st round I would take Goff over wentz. (from what I read) Kaepernick has all kinds of physical gifts. I wouldn't want him to save my life. One read progression & then oh shit! Now I am not saying Wentz is like good ol' Kaep! but I take the QB that can read progression better than the gifted guy. (staying with the theme of niner QBs. Like Montana, who wasn't drafted til the 3rd round)

Intelligence over physical gifts every time!

Kaeps biggest issue (like Sanchez) is lack of accuracy. There are a million things that make a QB great, horrible or anywhere in between. No one attribute is "the one" to point to because it's not like they are even everywhere else to say that one (intelligence) is the difference maker. But, if I'm picking one attribute to put above all others, it's accuracy.

 

[Manster7588]

I agree, but when you are trying to bring in another DB (if we even are) it may keep him from signing here because even if you say you are going to cut Carr, you haven't. So that DB may feel like his opportunity to play is in question.

Understood, and agree. I'm just trying to look at from the team management point of view, and leave my feelings out.

 

[jarntt]

Wentz vs Goff is a tossup depending on what your looking for Wentz has better footwork and a better arm but needs to work on his progression Goff has better progression but needs work on his footwork and his arm is ok not a rocket but ok . Goff will struggle early under center but is better prepared to run a offense now. Wentz will need time like Tony to adapt to the speed of the pro game but has better tools and a higher ceiling and a lower floor.

I watched Wentz for 3 years at NDSU he has all the tools and will make somebody not named Cleveland a excellent QB in about 2-3 years if that. Im not a scout never claimed to be but if your taking a QB you can lots worse than Wentz.

Hell Jimmy was not sold on Troy and took Walsh with the 1st round Supplement pick costing Dallas the first pick in the draft. If Jimmy could not figure it out after all those years who are we to even speculate.

with that said I still like Wentz over Goff take that Jimmy you waffler at QB

Totally disagree with that whole line of thinking of the comparison between Wentz and Goff. I think it's something one person said based on the level of their opponents in College and somehow it became a "fact". If anything IMO it's the opposite: Wentz is more day 1 ready and Goff more the long term stud. One of the attribute you read about with Wentz is how "polished" he is. Plus, from what I read Goff's arm strength is fine. Who knows, but I sure as heck am not taking a QB that played the level of competition that Wentz did and whose team did just as good whether he was there or not. If they sucked when he didn't play and were great when he did it would be a lot more telling. Plus he looked horrible in the Senior Bowl; inaccurate, poor decisions and didn't look as mobile as I expected either.

 

[DALLAScornhusker]

If the QBs slide, it does make me wonder if the kid from Memphis would slide to us at 34. He looks a lot better at 34 than Goff or Wentz does at 4. But then again, I really like a couple defenders that could be there at 34 too.
I just want us to get a QB with work ethic, smarts and arm talent. In the right system, a QB's deficiencies can be masked to make him look better than he is. Just draft a guy that we can work with and mold into our future QB. If he's missing a couple things, make it be the things that can be learned or corrected.

 

[jarntt]

If the QBs slide, it does make me wonder if the kid from Memphis would slide to us at 34. He looks a lot better at 34 than Goff or Wentz does at 4. But then again, I really like a couple defenders that could be there at 34 too.
I just want us to get a QB with work ethic, smarts and arm talent. In the right system, a QB's deficiencies can be masked to make him look better than he is. Just draft a guy that we can work with and mold into our future QB. If he's missing a couple things, make it be the things that can be learned or corrected.

While that sounds great I just don't think it works that way. You either got it, or you don't...If we could find a guy in the mid rounds this year I would absolutely love that. I just don't want to Stephen McGee my way each year through the next 3 drafts and still be left with nothing.

 

[cowboycolors]

Totally disagree with that whole line of thinking of the comparison between Wentz and Goff. I think it's something one person said based on the level of their opponents in College and somehow it became a "fact". If anything IMO it's the opposite: Wentz is more day 1 ready and Goff more the long term stud. One of the attribute you read about with Wentz is how "polished" he is. Plus, from what I read Goff's arm strength is fine. Who knows, but I sure as heck am not taking a QB that played the level of competition that Wentz did and whose team did just as good whether he was there or not. If they sucked when he didn't play and were great when he did it would be a lot more telling. Plus he looked horrible in the Senior Bowl; inaccurate, poor decisions and didn't look as mobile as I expected either.

Well we will agree to disagree then. I have watched Wentz for 3 years and yes he went down and the team did continue to win. However I believe that is because NDSU is a well built team at the point Wentz went down they were 4 time in a row FCS National Champions.

Your opinion on Wentz is noted and no worries. But saying that you would not take a QB from a level down from FBS because he was injured and his team continued to win is shortsighted IMO, Considering that program has 5 FCS National Championships in a row under its belt. Somebody at NDSU football must know what they are doing to achieve that.

As far as the Senior bowl Wentz did not look his best on that we agree.


Who knows just how it all will go

 

[DALLAScornhusker]

While that sounds great I just don't think it works that way. You either got it, or you don't...If we could find a guy in the mid rounds this year I would absolutely love that. I just don't want to Stephen McGee my way each year through the next 3 drafts and still be left with nothing.

So then I ask you...did Romo have it back in 2003 when he went undrafted? And if you think he did, why would a guy with all those things fall through a draft? I don't remember him looking any better than Hutchinson back in the day. Tony had all those things I mentioned, plus he benefited most with the time he was given (work ethic). Just my 2 cents, but you give me a guy with work ethic, smarts and arm talent and you can make a good NFL QB.
I don't want to revisit the McGee's that have flamed out either. I want our scouts to point us in the right direction and get us a long term solution. But I also don't want us to reach for the "most NFL ready" if it just means he has a low ceiling and he's almost maxed his potential. If they feel the guy is not in this draft, then we don't need to waste a pick on one just to say we got a guy.

 

[jarntt]

So then I ask you...did Romo have it back in 2003 when he went undrafted? And if you think he did, why would a guy with all those things fall through a draft? I don't remember him looking any better than Hutchinson back in the day. Tony had all those things I mentioned, plus he benefited most with the time he was given (work ethic). Just my 2 cents, but you give me a guy with work ethic, smarts and arm talent and you can make a good NFL QB.
I don't want to revisit the McGee's that have flamed out either. I want our scouts to point us in the right direction and get us a long term solution. But I also don't want us to reach for the "most NFL ready" if it just means he has a low ceiling and he's almost maxed his potential. If they feel the guy is not in this draft, then we don't need to waste a pick on one just to say we got a guy.

Of course he did. That's the point. We lucked out and he fell through the cracks and ended up here just like Tom Brady fell to the 5th round. it wasn't that all those other guys were better than him, it was that the teams all undervalued what he already was. You can't make an also ran an NFL QB. You can groom and develop a guy and get the most out of him, but you can never get him higher than his ceiling no matter how long or hard you try...

 

[jarntt]

Well we will agree to disagree then. I have watched Wentz for 3 years and yes he went down and the team did continue to win. However I believe that is because NDSU is a well built team at the point Wentz went down they were 4 time in a row FCS National Champions.

That is the point I was making. Was it him, or them???

Your opinion on Wentz is noted and no worries. But saying that you would not take a QB from a level down from FBS because he was injured and his team continued to win is shortsighted IMO, Considering that program has 5 FCS National Championships in a row under its belt. Somebody at NDSU football must know what they are doing to achieve that.

Not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you need to at least look at that as being part of the total picture. I don't hold it against a guy for being on a good team, I just also don't want to overdraft him because he was. I've never said anything bad about Wentz (I actually like him a lot) unless saying I don't think he is as good as Goff or the 4th best player in the entire draft is bad...About two months ago he went from middle round pick to top 5. That always worries me when it happens after the football playing has stopped...I argued that Aaron Donald should be judged by his play on the field, not criticized for his size (like he shrunk after the season or something) and I'll say the same with Wentz - judge him for what you thought while the games were still being played. Great prospect, future starter in this league IMO, but not the #4 pick in the entire draft. If the team likes him I'll be fine with it and root for him like crazy, but there is no way I'd make that pick myself...

 

[GNG]

Cowboys.com Bryan Broaddus expects LCB Brandon Carr to stay in Dallas.

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported in early March that Carr would be released, but the move never happened. Despite consistently sub-par play, Carr has had nine lives in Big D. Carr is owed a $9.1 million base salary in 2016.



Please, please, please don't let this be true!

Maybe he'll have a great season in 2016...

 

[cowboycolors]

That is the point I was making. Was it him, or them???


Not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you need to at least look at that as being part of the total picture. I don't hold it against a guy for being on a good team, I just also don't want to overdraft him because he was. I've never said anything bad about Wentz (I actually like him a lot) unless saying I don't think he is as good as Goff or the 4th best player in the entire draft is bad...About two months ago he went from middle round pick to top 5. That always worries me when it happens after the football playing has stopped...I argued that Aaron Donald should be judged by his play on the field, not criticized for his size (like he shrunk after the season or something) and I'll say the same with Wentz - judge him for what you thought while the games were still being played. Great prospect, future starter in this league IMO, but not the #4 pick in the entire draft. If the team likes him I'll be fine with it and root for him like crazy, but there is no way I'd make that pick myself...

got it I hope Wentz has a great career unless he goes to a division rival and God have mercy on him if he goes to Cleveland

 

[scotsman1948]

apparently the fact that the Boys can't bring anyone (FA-wise) in that would be decent and appear to be a challenge to Carr and that would convince him to redo his contract they can't afford to cut him

 

[Earl Stevens]