Pistons offer to Raptors

[Tubbs1518]

Brian Windhorst is reporting that the Detroit Pistons have offered Rodney Stuckey and Charlie Villanueva (both expiring contracts) to Toronto for Rudy Gay (due nearly $40M over the next two seasons).

 

[tlance]

$ deal for the Raptors.

I heard they are making a play for Rondo too, although I am not sure how they could pull off both deals. It looks like Detroit wants to be relevant again, I am just not sure they are targeting the right players. Josh Smith is high on the wish list as well.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Man, that would make Detroit a top 4 team in the East IMO. They'd be even better off with a serious PG, though. They should've gone after Bledsoe. The Clips hardly got shit.
That said -
PG - Jose Calderon (Assuming he re-signs, which I think will happen at this point)
SG - Brandon Knight/KCP
SF - Rudy Gay
PF - Greg Monroe
C - Andre Drummond
6th - KCP - Brandon Knight

That's a pretty damn solid lineup. If Drummond keeps improving, look out.

 

[tlance]

Man, that would make Detroit a top 4 team in the East IMO. They'd be even better off with a serious PG, though. They should've gone after Bledsoe. The Clips hardly got shit.
That said -
PG - Jose Calderon (Assuming he re-signs, which I think will happen at this point)
SG - Brandon Knight/KCP
SF - Rudy Gay
PF - Greg Monroe
C - Andre Drummond
6th - KCP - Brandon Knight

That's a pretty damn solid lineup. If Drummond keeps improving, look out.

It is solid, not top 4 though. I think Calderon may actually fit this team better than Rondo. They have very few shot makers as it is. Gay clearly makes them a lot better since they are giving up nothing. In the end, their ability to take the next step will depend on the growth of Monroe and Drummond.

Poor man's Pacers?

 

[Sox33OSU]

It is solid, not top 4 though. I think Calderon may actually fit this team better than Rondo. They have very few shot makers as it is. Gay clearly makes them a lot better since they are giving up nothing. In the end, their ability to take the next step will depend on the growth of Monroe and Drummond.

Poor man's Pacers?

I'd put them behind the Heat, Pacers and Nets in that order. I just can't get behind NY.

 

[tlance]

I'd put them behind the Heat, Pacers and Nets in that order. I just can't get behind NY.

Bulls are better than the Nets and Pistons, hands down. I hear you on NY though. That one could go either way.

I definitely like Gay for them more than I like Smith.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Bulls are better than the Nets and Pistons, hands down. I hear you on NY though. That one could go either way.

I definitely like Gay for them more than I like Smith.

Me too. Smith is an awesome player in his own right, but I feel like he needs to have a superstar on his team to get to the next level.

The Bulls are another team I'm just not huge on. Rose is awesome but man, is he soft. They need serious help at the 2. Who knows what's going on with Luol Deng anymore? I'd also take the combo of Monroe-Drummond over Boozer-Noah. Really, the only position I'd give the Bulls the edge at is PG, and that's only if Rose is healthy.

 

[tlance]

Me too. Smith is an awesome player in his own right, but I feel like he needs to have a superstar on his team to get to the next level.

The Bulls are another team I'm just not huge on. Rose is awesome but man, is he soft. They need serious help at the 2. Who knows what's going on with Luol Deng anymore? I'd also take the combo of Monroe-Drummond over Boozer-Noah. Really, the only position I'd give the Bulls the edge at is PG, and that's only if Rose is healthy.

The Bulls were the 4th best team in the East this year, maybe third as I don't believe the Knicks could have beat them in the playoffs if Deng and Hinrich had been healthy.

I would rather have Drummond and Monroe if I were building for the future, but if I had to win today I would take the Bulls front court. Boozer kind of Sucks, but Noah is a winner and Gibson is as good a back-up big as any in the league.

Rudy Gay is a good player, but not a difference maker as the Grizzlies proved. They didn't fully hit their stride until he left town.

Derrick Rose is a difference maker when healthy.

Perhaps the biggest X factor, however is Thibs. That guy is amazing. He is perhaps the best defensive coach the NBA has ever seen and one of the few coaches who has a significant impact on the game at the NBA level.

 

[shitsho]

The Bulls were the 4th best team in the East this year, maybe third as I don't believe the Knicks could have beat them in the playoffs if Deng and Hinrich had been healthy.

I would rather have Drummond and Monroe if I were building for the future, but if I had to win today I would take the Bulls front court. Boozer kind of Sucks, but Noah is a winner and Gibson is as good a back-up big as any in the league.

Rudy Gay is a good player, but not a difference maker as the Grizzlies proved. They didn't fully hit their stride until he left town.

Derrick Rose is a difference maker when healthy.

Perhaps the biggest X factor, however is Thibs. That guy is amazing. He is perhaps the best defensive coach the NBA has ever seen and one of the few coaches who has a significant impact on the game at the NBA level.

I'm just going to let you post for me from now on!

 

[MNM]

I like this possible move for the Pistons. Would give them a legit wing scorer. That said, it would be risky if they would not be able to resign R Guy in year two. Pistons have free agent money now, yet need to hold some to help resign Monroe next year.

 

[tlance]

I like this possible move for the Pistons. Would give them a legit wing scorer. That said, it would be risky if they would not be able to resign R Guy in year two. Pistons have free agent money now, yet need to hold some to help resign Monroe next year.

Yes. Monroe and Drummond must be the priority. If they can build around those two, the Pistons could be pretty darn good in a couple years. They need a couple shooters and a wing scorer to play off the bigs. Gay may not be the right guy long term, but they are giving up almost nothing of value to get him.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I think this is a fairly good deal for both teams. Raptors are obviously blowing it up and getting rid of Gay is absolutely the right move IMO. They get a lot of cap space to play with after this year. Gay just isn't the type of player who fits well with DeRozan and Ross. Though DeRozan may be the next to go.

For the Pistons Gay gives them a wing scorer though he is a high volume/low efficiency scorer. Pistons probably battle for that 5th/6th seed if this trade happens.

 

[wildturkey]

If Toronto wants to tank, then its a good deal. But they may want to stay with what they have. Even with the roster they have, they could make the 7th or 8th seed. While we all know it'll never be a title contending roster, don't underestimate just making the playoffs. It's a big deal financially for multiple reasons and its exactly why you see teams that haven't made it in awhile get desperate to field an average team for a couple of years.