Phil Knight's Money Can't Make Oregon Elite

[nddulac]

https://deadspin.com/phil-knights-money-couldnt-keep-oregon-out-of-college-f-1828059887

College football—any sport really, but especially college sports—does not have a long memory. Shiny recruiting classes fade and go their separate ways, once-great coaches are fired after a couple bad seasons, top-25 programs become afterthoughts with one postseason miss, shitty coaches are rehired after sitting out a couple years. It’s the way of the college football world and it ain’t going to change anytime soon, not even for Phil Knight and his precious Ducks.

Oregon has been down in the dumps for three years now and I’m not quite sure they’re done wallowing in the slop. Last season was an improvement over their 4-8 2016 season, sure. Head coach Willie Taggart came to town, iced out reporters for no good reason and hired defensive coordinator Jim Leavitt, a man who knows college defense and how to get away with grabbing players by the throat and slapping them. With a quarterback in his second year and an improved defense, the Ducks finished 7-6, losing to Boise State in their bowl game.

 

[theboardref]

Dem unis doe...

 

[tnapucco]

https://deadspin.com/phil-knights-money-couldnt-keep-oregon-out-of-college-f-1828059887

College football—any sport really, but especially college sports—does not have a long memory. Shiny recruiting classes fade and go their separate ways, once-great coaches are fired after a couple bad seasons, top-25 programs become afterthoughts with one postseason miss, shitty coaches are rehired after sitting out a couple years. It’s the way of the college football world and it ain’t going to change anytime soon, not even for Phil Knight and his precious Ducks.

Oregon has been down in the dumps for three years now and I’m not quite sure they’re done wallowing in the slop. Last season was an improvement over their 4-8 2016 season, sure. Head coach Willie Taggart came to town, iced out reporters for no good reason and hired defensive coordinator Jim Leavitt, a man who knows college defense and how to get away with grabbing players by the throat and slapping them. With a quarterback in his second year and an improved defense, the Ducks finished 7-6, losing to Boise State in their bowl game.

it bought Willie a new Caddilac

 

[GoldRusher]

Its all about the coaching hire. Sadly, Im not sure they have it right just yet.

 

[blazer prophet]

I think Oregon's problems are related to Helfrich. Nice guy, but he was not good enough to lead a major college program. He had no team culture and his recruiting and recruiting technique was poor. Taggert started turning around both issues but left for his dream job. Right now we seem to be building a strong team culture again and recruiting is very strong.

As to getting back in to being a PAC-12 contender, we need to add depth and avoid the massive amount of injuries we had last year that exposed those depth issues. This was the same problem we had when Brooks and Belloti coached in that we had good enough starting talent but needed more depth to absorb injuries and the like. Kelley added speed and innovation along with the depth we needed and built a very strong team.

So we're on the right path at present. Probably see 8 to 10 wins this year and keep getting deeper. I have a very good feeling about this team right now.

 

[TheReal_NU]

Its all about the coaching hire. Sadly, Im not sure they have it right just yet.

Give them a couple more years and they’ll have two more tries.






And I get it. Nebraska’s been hiring the wrong guy for a while.
Edit. But things are looking good now

 

[corn train]

Maybe around Joe Flacco elite level

 

[Red_Alert]

I think Oregon's problems are related to Helfrich. Nice guy, but he was not good enough to lead a major college program. He had no team culture and his recruiting and recruiting technique was poor. Taggert started turning around both issues but left for his dream job. Right now we seem to be building a strong team culture again and recruiting is very strong.

As to getting back in to being a PAC-12 contender, we need to add depth and avoid the massive amount of injuries we had last year that exposed those depth issues. This was the same problem we had when Brooks and Belloti coached in that we had good enough starting talent but needed more depth to absorb injuries and the like. Kelley added speed and innovation along with the depth we needed and built a very strong team.

So we're on the right path at present. Probably see 8 to 10 wins this year and keep getting deeper. I have a very good feeling about this team right now.

"So we're on the right path at present. Probably see 8 to 10 wins this year and keep getting deeper. I have a very good feeling about this team right now."

Not sure how you can say that when Mario Christobal's overall record as a head coach is (27 - 48)?

I assume there's quite a bit of hype coming out of the program since December, through spring ball, and now leading into fall camp. However, you see the same hype "we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that" in every program during the off-season.
It's to get the fan base excited and sell tickets, jerseys, decor, etc.

 

[blazer prophet]

"So we're on the right path at present. Probably see 8 to 10 wins this year and keep getting deeper. I have a very good feeling about this team right now."

Not sure how you can say that when Mario Christobal's overall record as a head coach is (27 - 48)?

I assume there's quite a bit of hype coming out of the program since December, through spring ball, and now leading into fall camp. However, you see the same hype "we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that" in every program during the off-season.
It's to get the fan base excited and sell tickets, jerseys, decor, etc.

Easy. We have 3 high school teams in non conference play. Add to it, we're a decent team aside. I have researched Mario's head coaching jobs and I am not concerned aside from1 thing. I know he wants to really tweak the offense and this concerns me. But we shall see.

 

[Red_Alert]

Easy. We have 3 high school teams in non conference play. Add to it, we're a decent team aside. I have researched Mario's head coaching jobs and I am not concerned aside from1 thing. I know he wants to really tweak the offense and this concerns me. But we shall see.

Just saying his history shows he hasn't been able to put the pieces together. That is critical to being an elite coach and getting a team to play at an elite level.
Blopleeny could win 9 or 10 games a year, make it to a bowl, etc. However, he could never get the pieces put together, get people lined up right, and playing crisp.
He was not an elite coach and likely will never be.
As I said, the quotes and hype by coaches, admin, and local media are to bring excitement to the upcoming season, sell tickets, apparal, etc.
Been there, done that.

 

[blazer prophet]

Just saying his history shows he hasn't been able to put the pieces together. That is critical to being an elite coach and getting a team to play at an elite level.
Blopleeny could win 9 or 10 games a year, make it to a bowl, etc. However, he could never get the pieces put together, get people lined up right, and playing crisp.
He was not an elite coach and likely will never be.
As I said, the quotes and hype by coaches, admin, and local media are hype to bring excitement to the upcoming season, sell tickets, apparal, etc.
Been there, done that.

Well, he had shitty programs. I mean, I see your point. I think it's one made with crappy and insufficient evidence, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, time will tell. I do know the players were 100% for him being elevated to head coach and he has a pretty good coaching staff. At this time I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. If he ends up being like some of UW's head coaches in recent history, then this won't work out.

 

[WizardHawk]

"So we're on the right path at present. Probably see 8 to 10 wins this year and keep getting deeper. I have a very good feeling about this team right now."

Not sure how you can say that when Mario Christobal's overall record as a head coach is (27 - 48)?

I assume there's quite a bit of hype coming out of the program since December, through spring ball, and now leading into fall camp. However, you see the same hype "we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that" in every program during the off-season.
It's to get the fan base excited and sell tickets, jerseys, decor, etc.

Oregon has one of the weakest schedules in the top 40 teams. The only two teams with an easier SoS in all of the projected top 40 is Wisconsin and Boise State.

8 wins on that schedule is akin to 5-6 on most other schedules. It really would be a total melt down to not reach at least 8. And Herbert is more than good enough to tear up any average/below average secondary, even if you don't want to buy into their defense. 10 might be a bit ambitious, but 8-9 should be expected.

 

[Red_Alert]

Well, he had shitty programs. I mean, I see your point. I think it's one made with crappy and insufficient evidence, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, time will tell. I do know the players were 100% for him being elevated to head coach and he has a pretty good coaching staff. At this time I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. If he ends up being like some of UW's head coaches in recent history, then this won't work out.

I think (7-6) being his best record in 5 years at a G5 is sufficient evidence.

 

[blazer prophet]

I think (7-6) being his best record in 5 years at a G5 is sufficient evidence.

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[Red_Alert]

Oregon has one of the weakest schedules in the top 40 teams. The only two teams with an easier SoS in all of the projected top 40 is Wisconsin and Boise State.

8 wins on that schedule is akin to 5-6 on most other schedules. It really would be a total melt down to not reach at least 8. And Herbert is more than good enough to tear up any average/below average secondary, even if you don't want to buy into their defense. 10 might be a bit ambitious, but 8-9 should be expected.

Regardless of this season's schedule, I'm more looking toward the future of Oregon's program. Is this the guy to get them back to Top 10 level going forward?

 

[blazer prophet]

Oregon has one of the weakest schedules in the top 40 teams. The only two teams with an easier SoS in all of the projected top 40 is Wisconsin and Boise State.

8 wins on that schedule is akin to 5-6 on most other schedules. It really would be a total melt down to not reach at least 8. And Herbert is more than good enough to tear up any average/below average secondary, even if you don't want to buy into their defense. 10 might be a bit ambitious, but 8-9 should be expected.

OMG!!! And look who's talking. The Huskies took the weakest SOS into a BCS championship series in history and you're banging on us this season????

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

[blazer prophet]

Regardless of this season's schedule, I'm more looking toward the future of Oregon's program. Is this the guy to get them back to Top 10 level going forward?

We shall see. I share your concerns but so far everything is looking good. Great recruiting. Holding coaches responsible. Creating a positive culture. If we stay fairly healthy and win less than 8 games I'll be like a Nebraska fan and Riley.

 

[7Samurai13]

"So we're on the right path at present. Probably see 8 to 10 wins this year and keep getting deeper. I have a very good feeling about this team right now."

Not sure how you can say that when Mario Christobal's overall record as a head coach is (27 - 48)?

I assume there's quite a bit of hype coming out of the program since December, through spring ball, and now leading into fall camp. However, you see the same hype "we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that" in every program during the off-season.
It's to get the fan base excited and sell tickets, jerseys, decor, etc.

You are ignoring all the wins he has had at Oregon.

 

[Red_Alert]

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My bad...The (7-6) was his 3rd season. He went (8-5) his 4th season.

If he were building anything he'd have maintained the (7-6), (8-5) level or even gotten to (9-4) or better in year 5.
However, they fell to (3-9). That is backwards.

 

[Red_Alert]

You are ignoring all the wins he has had at Oregon.

Naturally