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I will say that when it comes to J.T. Daniels, I'd rather pass (no pun intended). It's hard to say if he'd be much of an upgrade over the guys currently in the QB room. Additionally I think it's a bad long-term move to rely on transfers. It hurts recruiting and what happens when you can't recruit a HS QB and there are no attractive transfers available?

All that being said I do wish we had a QB on the roster with some experience. Hindsight being 20/20, I think Jacob Eason transferring to UW hurt more than it helped. Had he not transferred to UW and "won the starting job" we'd have a QB going into 2020 with experience in Haener. I also can't imagine that Haener would've been much worse than Eason with the possibility of actually being better.
This is who my money's on come 2021 (give him a year to get his bearings) although the sheep are going to be sucking Huard's dick the moment he steps foot on UW's campus.

 

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btw the days of stockpiling highly recruited QB's are over with due to the new transfer rules. That ship has sailed.
 

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This is the only reason I could justify pursuing him. It's also just hard to root for a guy who decided to come here because he wasn't good enough for the school he initially committed to.

Well that's really not the case. First he graduated early to start his college career. Second , he was the starting QB then jacked up his knee in the first game. Slovis just happened to do so good that he elevated himself to the point where it would really be ridiculous to take it away. He did what was asked. Another thing is Slovis was really wanted and liked by Harrell because of the offense he runs. It could be JT is more suited for the offense that Washington wants to run which I hear will be something like LSU ran. That's more like what JT ran in high school and made him the national player of the year as a JR. JT isn't a bum.
 

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Well that's really not the case. First he graduated early to start his college career. Second , he was the starting QB then jacked up his knee in the first game. Slovis just happened to do so good that he elevated himself to the point where it would really be ridiculous to take it away. He did what was asked. Another thing is Slovis was really wanted and liked by Harrell because of the offense he runs. It could be JT is more suited for the offense that Washington wants to run which I hear will be something like LSU ran. That's more like what JT ran in high school and made him the national player of the year as a JR. JT isn't a bum.

Good insight. The comment I made was mostly a generalization regarding transfers in general.
 

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This is who my money's on come 2021 (give him a year to get his bearings) although the sheep are going to be sucking Huard's dick the moment he steps foot on UW's campus.


I like Ethan Garbers a lot. I remember when he committed to UW I was disappointed when I saw his ranking, but when I watched his tape I was shocked he wasn't ranked higher. Considering the lack of starting experience by any of our QBs, I would honestly consider Garbers to be a dark horse to win the job. Based on tape alone, I think that Garbers will be the most talented QB on our roster going into 2020.
 

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I like Ethan Garbers a lot. I remember when he committed to UW I was disappointed when I saw his ranking, but when I watched his tape I was shocked he wasn't ranked higher. Considering the lack of starting experience by any of our QBs, I would honestly consider Garbers to be a dark horse to win the job. Based on tape alone, I think that Garbers will be the most talented QB on our roster going into 2020.
The problem Garbars if facing is the low IQ level of many a Washington fan. Those sheep eat up anything and everything the media sells them on. All those tards see is Huard's recruiting rating, the fact he comes from a line of former UW QB's and that he's local. This shit is going to be Jacob Eason all over again as far as the media and the low IQ fans are concerned.
 

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If you weren't blind, you could this coming.

1)Stability now with the AD and him very quickly telling the LA sports media and boosters to STFU and Helton would be the coach for this season.

2) New coaching changes finished and the bigtime addition of getting Donte Williams whose one of the best recruiters in the NCAA.

3) USC will be taking a maxed out class this year after what occured in 2019. They will be loading up. 24+ commits for sure.


The team to watch the most out of this will be the Ducks. No team benefited more from USC's malaise the past couple years when it came to recruiting. Sure the Huskies and teams like ASU also were able to recruit easier out of SoCal, but the Ducks made out like bandits on this. But I'm going to call that about done. The whole Cali-Flock thing? Stick a fork in that one, cause get used to a whole different situation.

I'm expecting the Ducks to try to use the Moorehead and that new WR coach to land some east coast talent to try to fill the void, but trying to get east coast / SEC & ACC territory 4 and 5 stars to go spend 3-4 years in Eugene is still a challenge. Even all that Nike money will not be able to pull some of them over.

So keep an eye on this as the year goes on. Will be interesting to see what obvious impact you'll see to the other PAC teams with USC going to the mattresses with recruiting this year to keep a wall up on the best of the Cali prospects.

Agree with all of this.

I never thought Helton was the problem and he seems to have upgraded what I always said was the problem.

Despite all of the turmoil and bullshit that has gone on over the past few years, the kids have never quit on him. Considering all that has happened, that says a lot. Imo, it's what has saved him at least the last 2 seasons.

The stability that we have is great and that is undoubtedly a big part of what is driving this.

Having said that, gaining some stability, upgrading the staff and recruiting well is just the tip of the iceberg.

If there isn't immediate improvement in player development and frankly, in how smart they play...no amount of player support will be enough to save him.
 

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I will say that when it comes to J.T. Daniels, I'd rather pass (no pun intended). It's hard to say if he'd be much of an upgrade over the guys currently in the QB room. Additionally I think it's a bad long-term move to rely on transfers. It hurts recruiting and what happens when you can't recruit a HS QB and there are no attractive transfers available?

All that being said I do wish we had a QB on the roster with some experience. Hindsight being 20/20, I think Jacob Eason transferring to UW hurt more than it helped. Had he not transferred to UW and "won the starting job" we'd have a QB going into 2020 with experience in Haener. I also can't imagine that Haener would've been much worse than Eason with the possibility of actually being better.

I disagree a bit with @socaljim242 on JT. He was a true freshman qb on a team that fell apart and he never got a chance to show what he could do last year because he got hurt so early.

Unfortunately for him, Slovis turned out to be Sam Darnold.

I don't think he'd be a bad pickup for you guys, especially if your coaches aren't sold on who you currently have.

He's also not a typical transfer. I think he still has 3 years of eligibility left.
 

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I disagree a bit with @socaljim242 on JT. He was a true freshman qb on a team that fell apart and he never got a chance to show what he could do last year because he got hurt so early.

Unfortunately for him, Slovis turned out to be Sam Darnold.

I don't think he'd be a bad pickup for you guys, especially if your coaches aren't sold on who you currently have.

He's also not a typical transfer. I think he still has 3 years of eligibility left.

True... I think JT & Max Browne should get together for some beers! Misery loves company - right? :drink:

Hmmm... Don't think JT's old enough to drink (legally) yet, though. heh heh :dhd:
 

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Trevor Lawrence has played in two National Championship games and can go pro after this season. If Jacob Sirmon was the #2 behind Lawrence and hasn't started a game then something is wrong somewhere. What am I missing? Is he slated to be the starter this season?
 

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Trevor Lawrence has played in two National Championship games and can go pro after this season. If Jacob Sirmon was the #2 behind Lawrence and hasn't started a game then something is wrong somewhere. What am I missing? Is he slated to be the starter this season?
Other than Jake Haener, every UW QB under Petersen was a 247 top 100 QB. Heaner had a year of experience over Sirmon, Browning had two, and then Eason came in the picture. Colson Yankoff who was in the same class as Sirmon transferred to UCLA as soon as Eason entered the picture, Sirmon was headed for the transfer portal at the same time Yankoff was and changed his mind at the last minute. Haener transferred to Fresno St. the day after Eason was named the starter. Now Sirmon has Dylan Morris breathing down his neck who was the 4th rated pro style QB in the country according to 247. If Sirmon loses out to Morris he's going to transfer. Then you have 5* rated Huard coming in next year's class and sitting in between him and Morris is Ethan Garbers who's no slouch and possibly the best of the bunch. Anyone who thinks college teams can stockpile their roster with these kind of QB's these days is mentally retarded. The new transfer rules have all but assured that these kids aren't going to sit on the bench if they think they can get playing time somewhere else. Petersen fvcked up by adding Eason and if Lake signs JT Daniels then he's asking for trouble.
 

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btw the days of stockpiling highly recruited QB's are over with due to the new transfer rules. That ship has sailed.
It's important to take two QBs a year for most cycles. Knowing one will transfer out within 2 seasons. In Herman's first full recruiting class (not the transition class) he got Casey Thompson and Cam Rising signed. As soon as Sam cemented his status as the QB, both put in their names for the transfer portal.. Casey ended up staying while Cam ended up at Utah.
Casey may Grad Transfer if either of the 2020 class QBs give him a run for his money for the 2021 season job (#2DT Hudson Card and #3 JaQuinden Jackson).
Hell Texas already has a commitment with Jalen Milroe for 2021 and still are trying to get Nussmier in the class as well (Heavy LSU lean).
 

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One class failure can be overcome.

I forget the poster and thread, but I remember someone saying that the bad recruiting would hurt us for a couple of seasons.

I made this same point. As bad as that class was, it was one class. If the one prior to it was good (it was) and the one after it is good (and so far, this one is ranked #5 nationally), the one bad class won't hurt.

It especially won't hurt if the coaching staff can develop a couple of those guys so that they end up being better than their star rating.
 

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I forget the poster and thread, but I remember someone saying that the bad recruiting would hurt us for a couple of seasons.

I made this same point. As bad as that class was, it was one class. If the one prior to it was good (it was) and the one after it is good (and so far, this one is ranked #5 nationally), the one bad class won't hurt.

It especially won't hurt if the coaching staff can develop a couple of those guys so that they end up being better than their star rating.
One bad class can set you back for several seasons.. however with this pandemic we have going on, SC should benefit the most. Seems like schools will give out the extra year of eligibility, and if SC can bounce back with a top 15 class in 21 and 22.. they may have navigated through the 20 class. They need to beef up the OL
 

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Other than Jake Haener, every UW QB under Petersen was a 247 top 100 QB. Heaner had a year of experience over Sirmon, Browning had two, and then Eason came in the picture. Colson Yankoff who was in the same class as Sirmon transferred to UCLA as soon as Eason entered the picture, Sirmon was headed for the transfer portal at the same time Yankoff was and changed his mind at the last minute. Haener transferred to Fresno St. the day after Eason was named the starter. Now Sirmon has Dylan Morris breathing down his neck who was the 4th rated pro style QB in the country according to 247. If Sirmon loses out to Morris he's going to transfer. Then you have 5* rated Huard coming in next year's class and sitting in between him and Morris is Ethan Garbers who's no slouch and possibly the best of the bunch. Anyone who thinks college teams can stockpile their roster with these kind of QB's these days is mentally retarded. The new transfer rules have all but assured that these kids aren't going to sit on the bench if they think they can get playing time somewhere else. Petersen fvcked up by adding Eason and if Lake signs JT Daniels then he's asking for trouble.
Just odd you're talking about so many guys recruited and signed by Petersen and we haven't seen much of any of them. I mean it's great you have the #2 and #4 but if you think so highly of them why even bring in a kid with only a year left. It's not like you were like an Ohio State and only needed a QB to be great. And you're right. They will all mostly think they should be a starter and who ever doesn't win the job will probably transfer. Imagine if it was this easy or common for QBs to move when Browne was chosen over Darnold that one season and Darnold said fuck this I'm gone. As fucked as USCs been imagine what would have happened with no Darnold there for the rest of that sason. Wait, then Clay would have been gone like two seasons ago.lol
But anyway I was trying to figure out how you have a kid who hasn't sniffed playing time (he's thrown like 3 passes) who was right behind Lawrence whos going to leave for the draft this season. That's just odd.
 

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Just odd you're talking about so many guys recruited and signed by Petersen and we haven't seen much of any of them. I mean it's great you have the #2 and #4 but if you think so highly of them why even bring in a kid with only a year left. It's not like you were like an Ohio State and only needed a QB to be great. And you're right. They will all mostly think they should be a starter and who ever doesn't win the job will probably transfer. Imagine if it was this easy or common for QBs to move when Browne was chosen over Darnold that one season and Darnold said fuck this I'm gone. As fucked as USCs been imagine what would have happened with no Darnold there for the rest of that sason. Wait, then Clay would have been gone like two seasons ago.lol
But anyway I was trying to figure out how you have a kid who hasn't sniffed playing time (he's thrown like 3 passes) who was right behind Lawrence whos going to leave for the draft this season. That's just odd.
Petersen was HC at UW for 6 years. Cyler Miles (Sarks recruit) was QB for his first season, Jake Browning played four years as starting QB after that and then Eason last season.
 
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