Our New GM......

[Lonewate44]

Sorry bro, but Mike didnt NEED RG3, and Im starting to really believe he didnt WANT RG3 either. Dan needed him, and the fan base sort of needed some one. But the RG3 trade, and the McNabb trade for that matter both go totally against Shanahans nature when it comes to trades. I know you want to believe that Mike was the sole reason this all went to crap, because to believe otherwise might be just too depressing. But Mike Shanahan had never traded up for a QB, and the last thing he would have really wanted was an option style QB with no training from under center.

So ask yourself honestly, what was more likely. The Coach who never trades up giving up a boat load of picks for a QB that actually doesnt fit his system to begin with. Or an owner who is a media star player whore pushing for the trade and the coach rolling with it??


By the way, if Dan has wised up, he would have brought in a real GM with personnel experience instead of making Allen basically Vinny 2.0. He had a clear oppertunity to fix what has really been wrong with this franchise, and instead we are keeping the same model that brought us such great moves as Albert Haynesworth and Adam Archuletta.

I guess will will agree to disagree.....but you are msitaken when you say Shanny didnt need a franchis QB...He so did.....2 years of losing like he did......He was behind the Mcnabb trade...All him ...I dont see him allowing Dan to step on his toes that early in the process.....then the beck Grossman thing...Please...Oh we can win with these QBs....he was seeing his legacy tarnished before his very won eyes.....He saw a guy that could be a good NFL QB with the right coaching....and how could Mike and his Boy not be the guys to do it...after all they are Shannahans.....He knew that he was coming off 2 losing seasons, and he HAD to do something!!! had to............

Knowing the way Mike is.......do you think for a second, he would allow Dan to come into his office and make him....Mike Shannahan, do anything he didnt want to do?? When he had a contract saying that HE, Mike had full power and authority??? Hell no he wouldnt.....he would have been banging that contract around for all to know...he would have said FUCK you to Dan...if you dont like it ...fire me and pay me my 21 million dollars and I will gladly walk out the door........

I find it more likely that he would have done that, and NOT be forced into a trade he didnt want.....

AS for the GM....I see your point.....I dont know...it looks like Allen might be the yes man you say.....could be.....or maybe Dan thinks.....Ok..He is a smart man with contracts...with Football...maybe not X's and O's.....we have a Great Scouting Dept......I turst that Mike will Make the best decesions, based on the imput of the guys we pay to be experts.......

AS you said...come FA time...we will see......I hope I am right and you are wrong.....I will admitt I am wrong if that is the case.....

But I will NEVER EVER Believe MIKE did ANYTHING he didnt want to do....HE was the Man in charge, and had the abilty to but Dan over the barrel.....He doesnt do what dan wants....then fire him...give him his 3 years salary and walk on.....or more believeable to me......he did what he wanted...what just happened to make his owner VEry happy


Oh by the way....Mike did trade up for a QB....his name was Jay Cutler.....

 

[Sharkinva]

I didnt say he didnt need a franchise QB. I said he didnt need RG3. And yes I do believe that the Owner had more to do with the trade than the coach. He didnt fit the system Mike wanted to run (west coast offense), had no training from under center. And my bad, you are right, he did trade up for Cutler. But I stil find it hard to believe he was the driving force behind trading up for Griffin. I get it, you think he is a franchise QB. Personally i think he has a whole lot of work needed to get to that level. BUt then I guess alot of people also believe that they never tried to work with griffin either. So it will be interesting to see if he has the same issues going forward. He will get the new coach, which is what he wanted all along. And you are right, we will see shortly if Dan has learned his lesson. But my take is, it will be like the days of old where we are constantly chasing the big named free agents and big name coaches.

 

[Lonewate44]

I didnt say he didnt need a franchise QB. I said he didnt need RG3. And yes I do believe that the Owner had more to do with the trade than the coach. He didnt fit the system Mike wanted to run (west coast offense), had no training from under center. And my bad, you are right, he did trade up for Cutler. But I stil find it hard to believe he was the driving force behind trading up for Griffin. I get it, you think he is a franchise QB. Personally i think he has a whole lot of work needed to get to that level. BUt then I guess alot of people also believe that they never tried to work with griffin either. So it will be interesting to see if he has the same issues going forward. He will get the new coach, which is what he wanted all along. And you are right, we will see shortly if Dan has learned his lesson. But my take is, it will be like the days of old where we are constantly chasing the big named free agents and big name coaches.

So you believe that Mike allowed himself to be run over and bullied into doing the trade when he didnt have to? really? Even though he could not listen and get fired and collect 21 miliion for doing nothing? That is what I find hard to believe...

 

[Sharkinva]

So you believe that Mike allowed himself to be run over and bullied into doing the trade when he didnt have to? really? Even though he could not listen and get fired and collect 21 miliion for doing nothing? That is what I find hard to believe...

I believe that in year three of his contract the owner came to him and said get this done. If you have ever worked with a contract, there is no such thing as iron clad. I do believe Mike let his ego get in the way of what was best for the team. Because if he was smart, Griffin would have never played this season since he wasnt ready. Was he bullied, maybe not. But was it his first choice to trade up and did he actually want Griffin, I doubt it.

 

[Lonewate44]

I believe that in year three of his contract the owner came to him and said get this done. If you have ever worked with a contract, there is no such thing as iron clad. I do believe Mike let his ego get in the way of what was best for the team. Because if he was smart, Griffin would have never played this season since he wasnt ready. Was he bullied, maybe not. But was it his first choice to trade up and did he actually want Griffin, I doubt it.

we will never know...all speculation by both of us.....

And I agree Mikes Ego was his downfall........

 

[Sharkinva]

we will never know...all speculation by both of us.....

And I agree Mikes Ego was his downfall........

Oh it might take a while, but the truth on that will come out. Some one will ask Mike one day when he is retired, and he will tell what he could not tell for risk of being sued.

 

[skinsdad62]

Will Bruce Allen being in charge of personnel work for the Redskins? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

here are the scenarios concerning allen

 

[skinsdad62]

A Brief (Ish) Rant: Redskins Owner Dan Snyder Gives Fans Front Office They Want; Fans and Media Complain Anyway

here is some more on the FO . i agree with most of this

 

[Sportster 72]

Like posts by most fans there is lots of conjecture and no fact. He could be spot on and he could be all wrong. My guess is it is somewhere in the middle. Anyone that thinks Shanahan is 100% at fault forgets the 11 years before he got to Washington.

 

[skinsdad62]

Like posts by most fans there is lots of conjecture and no fact. He could be spot on and he could be all wrong. My guess is it is somewhere in the middle. Anyone that thinks Shanahan is 100% at fault forgets the 11 years before he got to Washington.

i dont think shanny's totally at fault . my hole thing is everyone is saying snyder was meddling and i am posting the other side

see for days i get the doom and gloom of snyder . and people are all willing to believe blogger 's when it suits their POV but when it doesnt then its , "just another blogger "

why cant we wait and see how this will works out before we go to the doom and gloom

 

[Sportster 72]

Boswell wrote an interesting column in the Post today. He talked about how we as Redskin fans get our hopes up every few years with a new coaching change. One of the things he mentioned was that Allen is 55-73 as a GM. That sounds pretty close to Danny's running record for winning percentage as an owner.

Although that is true in some cases I don't think that is true as a whole. Most in this area don't believe Dan is any better now than he has been over the past 15 years. If you read the article then read the comments section after the article. The confidence of the people in this city/area is very low when it comes to Dan and his decisions for the Redskins.

 

[Krusheasy]

this would be interesting ...

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One Allen made the Ram-Skins

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[SoCalWizFan]

Boswell wrote an interesting column in the Post today. He talked about how we as Redskin fans get our hopes up every few years with a new coaching change. One of the things he mentioned was that Allen is 55-73 as a GM. That sounds pretty close to Danny's running record for winning percentage as an owner.

Although that is true in some cases I don't think that is true as a whole. Most in this area don't believe Dan is any better now than he has been over the past 15 years. If you read the article then read the comments section after the article. The confidence of the people in this city/area is very low when it comes to Dan and his decisions for the Redskins.

I could go along with some of what your post here. However - you completely lost me with your take on the WP comments section. Those idiots in no way, shape or form represent the feelings of the Redskins fans. Most of those opinions are way over the top & extremely repetitive. It is always the same crap - fire Snyder, change the name, RG3 is a punk, blah, blah, blah.

To be fair I didn't read the comments for this article (at the risk of wasting my time). However - like a fool I have read these comments many times in the past & came away that much dumber after reading them. As you stated previously - 99% of this is conjecture so why really worry about it? Time to move on - why waste so much time simply hating on Dan Snyder?

 

[Sportster 72]

I could go along with some of what your post here. However - you completely lost me with your take on the WP comments section. Those idiots in no way, shape or form represent the feelings of the Redskins fans. Most of those opinions are way over the top & extremely repetitive. It is always the same crap - fire Snyder, change the name, RG3 is a punk, blah, blah, blah.

To be fair I didn't read the comments for this article (at the risk of wasting my time). However - like a fool I have read these comments many times in the past & came away that much dumber after reading them. As you stated previously - 99% of this is conjecture so why really worry about it? Time to move on - why waste so much time simply hating on Dan Snyder?

My reason for mentioning that you read the comments is because it is a flavor of the people. Sure there are comments that are over the top but that is true on this forum too. Dan is not very well liked in this town and few believe he is going to bring us a winner in the next few years. Of course there are plenty that still hold out hope. What else can you do?

Look at the process now. We have a GM with a losing record, first time coach, a 27 year old OC, a DC with a poor track record and a QB who wants to argue with fans on Facebook while he calls out a lot of his teammates. It doesn't seem like a recipe for success.

But come September I will be sitting and watching like I have every year for 51 years hoping I am wrong.