our coaching staff is well below our old one.

[leomaz]

And I don't if you called Ted Phillips and told him it was stupid...That changes nothing. I told my friends sitting there that I am glad and let's get this game over with. Changes nothing

 

[Smart]

And I don't if you called Ted Phillips and told him it was stupid...That changes nothing. I told my friends sitting there that I am glad and let's get this game over with. Changes nothing

So you say that I only criticize him because we missed it, and then when I directly contradict your story, it doesn't matter. Got it.

And i'm glad that you are so proud of the fact that you'd rather save a minute than see our team in the playoffs. You must have been relieved to have free time last Sunday.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

So you say that I only criticize him because we missed it, and then when I directly contradict your story, it doesn't matter. Got it.

And i'm glad that you are so proud of the fact that you'd rather save a minute than see our team in the playoffs. You must have been relieved to have free time last Sunday.

Smart, have you learned nothing???!!! What would have been even better would have been for the QB to take a knee, roll the ball toward the end zone, hope no one notices, then have Devin Hester jump onto the field, hope that no refs notice, and have him sprint into the end zone for the winning TD. It's 50-50 man. All physics and common sense. And if a penalty was called, so what? Would gotten the game over with fast too.

 

[leomaz]

silly old man

So you say that I only criticize him because we missed it, and then when I directly contradict your story, it doesn't matter. Got it.

And i'm glad that you are so proud of the fact that you'd rather save a minute than see our team in the playoffs. You must have been relieved to have free time last Sunday.

Really? Before that kick. We both told friends something and because I was glad he decide to kick it and possibke end the game then that makes me happy we aren't in the playoffs? Im not sure but I think you might be the only one on the planet that thought he would miss a 47 yard fg in ideal conditions.

 

[leomaz]

moron

So physics don't say that a 47 yarder is harder than a 27 yarder but easier than a 77 yarder? Common sense doesn't show that a 47 yarder is harder than a 27 yarder but easier than a 77 yarder?

Now, every single field goal has exactly 50/50 odds? And next year, we are supposed to be stunned when Robbie Gould makes more than half of his kicks? And if I go to the Bears and offer to be their starting kicker for the league minimum, they should sign me since I also have a 50/50 chance of making the kick?

Your stone cold reality is the funniest thing I have read all day. I keep waiting for the hilarious punchline though, and it just isn't there yet.

Obviously all FGs are not 50/50 that is where common sense comes in play. Common sense would tell even a brained person that the closer you are the easier the kick. If you can't figure out what we are talking about and you want to turn it into something it isn't then that's fine. Common sense would tell you that any makeable fg IS 50/50. If you go to the Bears and offer to be their starting kicker for league minimum you would be laughed at and thrown out of the building.

 

[leomaz]

And the problem with your stat is that it has happened before. A game winning fg was kicked from 47 yards against the Vikings...maybe Treastman had that stat in the back if his mind

 

[Smart]

Obviously all FGs are not 50/50 that is where common sense comes in play. Common sense would tell even a brained person that the closer you are the easier the kick. If you can't figure out what we are talking about and you want to turn it into something it isn't then that's fine. Common sense would tell you that any makeable fg IS 50/50. If you go to the Bears and offer to be their starting kicker for league minimum you would be laughed at and thrown out of the building.

Wow. Just wow.

Honest question: Are you old enough to meet the age requirement at this site? I'm not sure what a "brained" person is, but i'm sure they would realize I was using hyperbole.

Keep following your common sense, though. I can't wait to see where it takes you.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Obviously all FGs are not 50/50 that is where common sense comes in play. Common sense would tell even a brained person that the closer you are the easier the kick.

Common sense would tell you that any makeable fg IS 50/50. If you go to the Bears and offer to be their starting kicker for league minimum you would be laughed at and thrown out of the building.

uh, no contradiction to see here. Yup.

 

[richig07]

The percentage of crashing is puny but in reality you are either going to land or crash.I understand you can't use tat to make a decision but it is the truth. Its not an absolute and neither are the stats that he is trying to use. If robbie attempts a fg in reality it will go thru the up rights or it won't . Saying that if he moved up x amount of yards will make it guarantees nothing. Missing it or making it just changes the stat it doesn't guarantee nothing...Nothing is 100% guaranteed in life except maybe death. Relying on stats to predict an outcome doesn't work. It just gives you something to consider. Just because matt doesn't fumble on x amount of carries doesn't mean he cannot fumble on the next carry. Stars are just percentages of what happened, not what's going to happen

Leo, you already tried to use this logic on ESPN, and even then. You conceded and admitted it was dumb.

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

Trestman was picked because he could fix the offense. I know you think the offense is better because of the additions, and that is partly true, but if Mike Tice or Mike Martz were still here then the offensive line would be putrid. Does anyone remember at the beginning of the season last year that Tice liked the Offensive line and no changes need to be made? Remember the Hester package? Yeah, that all worked great. Now that Hester isnt on offense, he looks like a premier PR/KR again. He doesnt have his wheels anymore, but he just seems to make better decisions when returning. Lovie and all of our O Coordinators ruined Hester's career as a returner as well by forcing him to play WR (which had failed already). One of the most underrated coaches this season was Aaron Kromer. That guy is the reason for the Oline looking respectable this year. Without him, our line looks like crap again. The playcalling is better on offense as well.

However, the Defense is terrible. I could see this coming a mile away with Mel Tucker saying he was going to try to keep the same system as Lovie had here. That is incredibly stupid. Not many teams run the cover 2 as much anymore, and Lovie was the best. He also had to continuously change it, that by the end of his tenure, it wasnt the cover two much anymore. Lovie's defense started struggling near the end of his tenure, and then Tucker comes in and says hes going to run the same system and expect good results? Yeah, right. Tucker NEEDS to go.

Another thing that was bad with Lovie's defense was QBs were figuring out how to beat it. When we went up against premier QBs, they were able to move the chains and score some points. Without a competent playcaller on offense, we weren't able to keep up. Atleast with Trestman we can score with other elite offensive football teams. I also think it is MUCH easier to find a good Defensive Coordinator than it is to find a good Offensive Coordinator. You also cant forget about all of the injuries on defense. Personally, I think the people judging Trestman as a failure after 1 season are morons.

 

[leomaz]

smartest man on the board

Leo, you already tried to use this logic on ESPN, and even then. You conceded and admitted it was dumb.

Simply put, "chance" relates to the likelyhood of a future event WITH NO HISTORY considered. "Odds", on the other hand, considers history. "Chance" is expressed as a percentage translation of the ratio of a particular outcome versus all possible outcomes.


"Odds" are expressed as a ratio WITHOUT a percentage translation. For example, if a (fair) coin is tossed 3 times and all three tosses land on heads, the PROBABILTY (odds) of the next toss coming up heads is only 1 of 16. The "CHANCE", on the other hand, never changes and is 50% on EVERY toss.

Richig you may be the smartest person on this board. The board seemed to be in a lull, tried to get a little debate going. Smetimes you got to put it out there and see who bites.The funniest part is some of these knuckleheads think they are genuises. I didnt think cali would fall for itthough.Oh well the jig is up. I still like the call and do not think it was a boneheaded call. It was the right call, wrong. I'm glad the coach doesn't do everything by the book. He is learning and will get better or he wont and they will get a new coach. This wasn't as good of a debate as the robbie gould one....that was freakin CLASSIC. Plus work has been shut down since news years because of weather. I am bored as hell

 

[blh7068]

Obviously all FGs are not 50/50 that is where common sense comes in play. Common sense would tell even a brained person that the closer you are the easier the kick. If you can't figure out what we are talking about and you want to turn it into something it isn't then that's fine. Common sense would tell you that any makeable fg IS 50/50. If you go to the Bears and offer to be their starting kicker for league minimum you would be laughed at and thrown out of the building.

Good grief, leo...NOT AGAIN. FAIL

 

[blh7068]

Simply put, "chance" relates to the likelyhood of a future event WITH NO HISTORY considered. "Odds", on the other hand, considers history. "Chance" is expressed as a percentage translation of the ratio of a particular outcome versus all possible outcomes.


"Odds" are expressed as a ratio WITHOUT a percentage translation. For example, if a (fair) coin is tossed 3 times and all three tosses land on heads, the PROBABILTY (odds) of the next toss coming up heads is only 1 of 16. The "CHANCE", on the other hand, never changes and is 50% on EVERY toss.

Richig you may be the smartest person on this board. The board seemed to be in a lull, tried to get a little debate going. Smetimes you got to put it out there and see who bites.The funniest part is some of these knuckleheads think they are genuises. I didnt think cali would fall for itthough.Oh well the jig is up. I still like the call and do not think it was a boneheaded call. It was the right call, wrong. I'm glad the coach doesn't do everything by the book. He is learning and will get better or he wont and they will get a new coach. This wasn't as good of a debate as the robbie gould one....that was freakin CLASSIC. Plus work has been shut down since news years because of weather. I am bored as hell

Testing others to find they know the same things that you apparently do sounds like a waste of time. Pretending to be a dope isnt really amusing after the novelty wears off.

 

[leomaz]

actualy ....... no

Good grief, leo...NOT AGAIN. FAIL

Quite the opposite. I did what I set out to do. I like our coaching staff atm. They have a chore ahead of them from the start of free agency to the OTAs to the preseason up and through the regular season. To say that the "old" coaching staff was better doesn't agree with me.......how about you?

 

[blh7068]

Quite the opposite. I did what I set out to do. I like our coaching staff atm. They have a chore ahead of them from the start of free agency to the OTAs to the preseason up and through the regular season. To say that the "old" coaching staff was better doesn't agree with me.......how about you?

Well, whats your criteria? Any given instance, (like your "rope-a-dope" on this FG thing) or body of work?
Body of work says the HC, and offensive coaching staff are much better. Defensively- I dont think so. Yes, there were injuries...but there there plenty of things scheme related that I saw that resulted in many breakdowns.

As an aside- kicking on 2nd down vs Vikings was a poor decision, imo.

 

[blh7068]

"Odds" are expressed as a ratio WITHOUT a percentage translation. For example, if a (fair) coin is tossed 3 times and all three tosses land on heads, the PROBABILTY (odds) of the next toss coming up heads is only 1 of 16. The "CHANCE", on the other hand, never changes and is 50% on EVERY toss".

Not quite. Odds is the ratio of number of desired outcomes / number of undesired outcomes. Chance/probabilities is number of desired outcomes / number of possible outcomes
So, in the coin flip example its 1:1 odds on heads and as you said, a 50% chance of heads.

 

[leomaz]

not necessarily the truth.

Well, whats your criteria? Any given instance, (like your "rope-a-dope" on this FG thing) or body of work?
Body of work says the HC, and offensive coaching staff are much better. Defensively- I dont think so. Yes, there were injuries...but there there plenty of things scheme related that I saw that resulted in many breakdowns.
As an aside- kicking on 2nd down vs Vikings was a poor decision, imo.

I'm in the opinion that it was a good decision based on the game itself up to that point. We missed on short yardage plays before and there is certainly no guarantees no matter what you do. Right decision wrong outcome. There were many plays in this game that helped in the demise. The 4th and 11 at the goal was atrocious. That play right there proved to me that stats aren't the only way to coach a game. Leslie went against the odds and won. Wrong call right outcome? Now the question is do they give Tucker another chance? Some thing if they don't other OCs will see this and not want to come to Chicago for fear of losing their job after 1 season if the results aren't adequete. It may be why Lovie couldn't get a great OC to come here after Shea was fired after 1season. I personally don't think we should. The question then is who is out there and willing to come in?

 

[blh7068]

I'm in the opinion that it was a good decision based on the game itself up to that point. We missed on short yardage plays before and there is certainly no guarantees no matter what you do. Right decision wrong outcome.

If youre going to factor that in, how could that be a good decision? They were moving the ball with ease on that drive. Vikes D was on their heels. Of course there are no guarantees. Thats not the point. Its a low risk to move the ball closer on 2nd down in order to get a shorter kick. No?

 

[leomaz]

its the sign of the times

If youre going to factor that in, how could that be a good decision? They were moving the ball with ease on that drive. Vikes D was on their heels. Of course there are no guarantees. Thats not the point. Its a low risk to move the ball closer on 2nd down in order to get a shorter kick. No?

They were moving the ball at ease when they stopped us on that 3rd and 1 play as well. There is no wrong or right answer here really. Robbie missed a 47 yd fg. If I were a betting man I would have bet he would make that kick inside . Probably outside as well. Its all what ifs now and pure speculation regarding getting more yards or losing more yards. I remember that play in the Giants - Jets game. Not sure why they didn't take a knee and nobody thought they would fumble but it happened. I suppose the only thing I actually questioned was the time remaining. Its over and done and there were many plays and calls that made our season what it was. I see a bright future. I hope I'm right

 

[richig07]

Simply put, "chance" relates to the likelyhood of a future event WITH NO HISTORY considered. "Odds", on the other hand, considers history. "Chance" is expressed as a percentage translation of the ratio of a particular outcome versus all possible outcomes.

So, jumping off of a 60 story building, you have a 50/50 chance of living or dying... right?


"Odds" are expressed as a ratio WITHOUT a percentage translation. For example, if a (fair) coin is tossed 3 times and all three tosses land on heads, the PROBABILTY (odds) of the next toss coming up heads is only 1 of 16. The "CHANCE", on the other hand, never changes and is 50% on EVERY toss.

Yes, for a coin. You are correct. Unfortunately, not everything is as simple as a coin flip.

Richig you may be the smartest person on this board.

Not a chance. lol

The board seemed to be in a lull, tried to get a little debate going. Smetimes you got to put it out there and see who bites.The funniest part is some of these knuckleheads think they are genuises. I didnt think cali would fall for itthough.Oh well the jig is up. I still like the call and do not think it was a boneheaded call. It was the right call, wrong. I'm glad the coach doesn't do everything by the book. He is learning and will get better or he wont and they will get a new coach. This wasn't as good of a debate as the robbie gould one....that was freakin CLASSIC. Plus work has been shut down since news years because of weather. I am bored as hell


Same here. Everything is shut down for me too. I haven't really even been outside since Sunday... lol. I've just been watching movies and eating too much. I have full blown cabin fever.