OT: The Walking Dead - BEWARE OF SPOILERS

[Dacks]

DIS-A-POINT-ING!
*CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP-CLAP-CLAP*

 

[puckhead]

- whoa,what an opening sequence!
- jesus, that's heavy duty firepower. nice that they cleared some walkers...
- holy fuck Carl. that's cold. chip off the ol' block.
- oooh, Gov's losing the group. holy shit!!!!!
- sweet - Karen. she looks good in jeans, too
- Andrea's best episode :P (I kid, I kid)

what a terrific episode. the tide shifts again.
who does the Gov have left? 2 guys?

wow. shivers.
MOAR!!!!

 

[juliansteed]

Yeah it will be interesting to see what the Governor does now with only 2 guys. Not sure if that black guy has even said a word all season.

I figured only 1 of Andrea or Milton would die but was really hoping it wouldn't be Milton.

It will be interesting to see what emerges from the new recruits. Other than Tyrese, Sasha, and Karen they are all old people and kids, correct?

 

[calsnowskier]

So...

Team-Rick gets reinforcements. Tyrese, his sis, Karen, a bunch of foggies and twerps. At least now they can fix the fences and man the crops. The woodburians can no longer sit back and vacation. They have to carry their weight now.

Gov is on serious walk-about now. I suspect Martinez and Bowman will just slip away in the night. They know Gov is BSC now, but they do not have the marbles to end him. Gov will either find a new Woodbury to run, or he will go gorilla on the Prison for next season. Maybe they will shelve Gov for a while (like Zobelle on SOA)?

This ep was a major game-changer for the show, but not in the way we thought (they did tell us that before, btw). Overall, I liked it.

Carl...

He was 100% in the right. They told him to drop the gun. He held the gun out while moving toward Carl. Carl did what he had to do. The fact that this was not mentioned in show makes me think they did not mean for that message to be conveyed. I do not like complaining about the production of he show, but I think they may have screwed the pooch with how that scene was shot.

 

[Robotech]

Carl just didn't want any competition for Beth, so he shot that kid. Now he's pissed that his dad brought back more potential competition.

 

[Robotech]

After the Governor's crew ran off, and Glen and Maggie took off their helmets and shouted "we did it", I thought for sure that one of them would get shot in the head at that moment. I'm glad it didn't happen.

 

[calsnowskier]

After the Governor's crew ran off, and Glen and Maggie took off their helmets and shouted "we did it", I thought for sure that one of them would get shot in the head at that moment. I'm glad it didn't happen.

I thought the EXACT thing.

Lull.

Remove helmet.

Remove head.

 

[Dacks]

Gov is on serious walk-about now. I suspect Martinez and Bowman will just slip away in the night. They know Gov is BSC now, but they do not have the marbles to end him. Gov will either find a new Woodbury to run, or he will go gorilla on the Prison for next season. Maybe they will shelve Gov for a while (like Zobelle on SOA)?

Not killing off the Gov really annoyed me. I just felt like his storyline had run his course. Sometimes shows like an actor and character so much that they extend him or her past their original end-date, but I would have preferred his part concluded.

If they do bring him back, I do hopet hey shelve him for at least half a season.

Carl...

He was 100% in the right. They told him to drop the gun. He held the gun out while moving toward Carl. Carl did what he had to do. The fact that this was not mentioned in show makes me think they did not mean for that message to be conveyed. I do not like complaining about the production of he show, but I think they may have screwed the pooch with how that scene was shot.

Wow, I didn't interpret it that way at all. He was scared and trying to put the gun down. I thought it was shot fine - they are obviously trying to imply Carl was 100% in the wrong there, even Carl admitted it.

After the Governor's crew ran off, and Glen and Maggie took off their helmets and shouted "we did it", I thought for sure that one of them would get shot in the head at that moment. I'm glad it didn't happen.

Haha, absolutely. They always keep us on our toes that way. I also thought something terrible was going to happen when Glen and Maggie left their guardposts a few episodes to get their nasty on.

Ultimately, I found the season finale really disappointing. I liked that the Gov finally cracked, and everyone saw it, but I wanted him to go down this episode, after doing some damage. I wish that Andrea or Merton's deaths had some meaning, at least some sort of sacrifice. They just died trapped in a cage. I also was disappointed with the prison assault. It started out amazing, but then seemed way too easy by the end.

Oh well, we'll see where they go from here. Still love the show.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

A lot of people are down on this episode, I guess people were expecting the prison battle to be a bit more epic? I like that the whole charade for the Gov is done. Now he can just be openly batshit crazy which could get interesting.

I actually liked the way Milton and Andrea went. I never liked the character of Andrea.

Some new eye candy for the group is always fun right? Tyrese and his sister seem like they'll be strong characters and hopefully at least one member of the misc crew from Woodbury will be interesting. If nothing else those nobodies will be good for some zombie attacks.

 

[puckhead]

A lot of people are down on this episode, I guess people were expecting the prison battle to be a bit more epic? I like that the whole charade for the Gov is done. Now he can just be openly batshit crazy which could get interesting.

+1. it also opens up drama between the Gov and Martinez and the other remaining dude.
if slaughtering their own people didn't cross the line, what will? you know something will.

 

[mattola]

i found it very symbolic that Andrea's death came at her own hand (killing herself) when Dale fought so hard to prevent that. I know walker milton bit her but she died at her own hand. something she wanted to do since the start. I also found her death in this zombie world entirely pointless. she did nothing to really make peace, didnt kill the governor nor prevent an attack on the prison. she didnt really save any of her friends on either side as the governor killed most of his woodbury people. she actually participated in killing them by never killing him. i know some will argue that she didnt know what we knew but now we all know and she did too and she blew it. it killed her. she killed herself on every level. Im really glad this character is gone. I dont think she was ever useful and her choices just were mind boggling. it was a little sad when Michonne was saying goodbye and I did like her last line to rick. I know how the safety works... does a magnum even have a safety? I cant believe noone else from the prison group bought it. that this was entirely a woodbury slaughter at the hands of their own governor and I cant believe that martinez and the bowman didnt shoot him down right there. they cant believe that he will keep them alive long term now. I do like what happened at the prison. I think the fact that the governors crew panicked and ran made sense, none of those people were true soldiers and once they got in that dark with flash bangs going off and zombies attacking they just said fuck it. it made so much sense and truly I think was a better ending than having a big drawn out gun battle. this was a fantastic season ending and for once we had some hope and happy in the whole group (except Carl) for the end. Im also ok with Carl killing that kid, I have no problem with it at all. he should have just dropped the gun, I know its directed to draw out the scene but if he drops it I dont think carl kills him, the guy just tried to kill them all and Im glad carl did it. next season is going to be fantastic. the governor will disappear for a while and come back when you least expect it. I will think that season 4 will slow down a bit in the first half.

 

[Dacks]

i found it very symbolic that Andrea's death came at her own hand (killing herself) when Dale fought so hard to prevent that. I know walker milton bit her but she died at her own hand. something she wanted to do since the start. I also found her death in this zombie world entirely pointless. she did nothing to really make peace, didnt kill the governor nor prevent an attack on the prison. she didnt really save any of her friends on either side as the governor killed most of his woodbury people. she actually participated in killing them by never killing him. i know some will argue that she didnt know what we knew but now we all know and she did too and she blew it. it killed her. she killed herself on every level. Im really glad this character is gone. I dont think she was ever useful and her choices just were mind boggling. it was a little sad when Michonne was saying goodbye and I did like her last line to rick. I know how the safety works... does a magnum even have a safety? I cant believe noone else from the prison group bought it. that this was entirely a woodbury slaughter at the hands of their own governor and I cant believe that martinez and the bowman didnt shoot him down right there. they cant believe that he will keep them alive long term now. I do like what happened at the prison. I think the fact that the governors crew panicked and ran made sense, none of those people were true soldiers and once they got in that dark with flash bangs going off and zombies attacking they just said fuck it. it made so much sense and truly I think was a better ending than having a big drawn out gun battle. this was a fantastic season ending and for once we had some hope and happy in the whole group (except Carl) for the end. Im also ok with Carl killing that kid, I have no problem with it at all. he should have just dropped the gun, I know its directed to draw out the scene but if he drops it I dont think carl kills him, the guy just tried to kill them all and Im glad carl did it. next season is going to be fantastic. the governor will disappear for a while and come back when you least expect it. I will think that season 4 will slow down a bit in the first half.

Yeah, I was glad to see her go. I just wish it had been more of a statement death. Her death alone wasn't that meaningful because I don't think she was an important character, or a likeable one. She realized the governor was batshit, tried to go to the prison, got caught, and died. There was no meaning to her death. From a writing standpoint, I think they failed to deliver.

For the prison assault, I just wanted to see a cleverer trap. Up to the flashbangs, I thought it was great. Their army panicking and running for it, fantastic. But then they just have Maggie and Glen shooting? They barely hit someone. If one of the badguys still had the grenade launcher or one of those big mounted machine guns, they'd be toast.

I'd rather see something like this: they trap the troops, and unleash a wave of zombies against them. But then Rick sees the devastation and can't take it. He opens the trap to let them survive, but in the process let's the governor escape. It would have accomplshed two major things: 1) Showed Rick had fully regained his humanity. They've been building towards that for a while, so I would have gone all out. 2) Set up conflict with his son. Maybe the Gov terrorizes them next season. Maybe they can't feed all the new people, and maybe some of them cause trouble, getting one of the original team-Rickers killed. Would have made for great drama.

It was a great season, I just didn't feel this episode was all it could be.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

i like that last night has diverged away from the graphic novels (not that i thought the show could ever go down that road)

however ... theres a lot more options (ie new Woodbury transplants) for mass termination for the start of next season without having close to all the main characters bite it


/did i miss them revealing who Tyrese was in pre-zombie world ??? He revealed it in Talking Dead but I didnt think they broached it on one of the previous episodes

 

[mattola]

thats fair dacks.

 

[mattola]

i like that last night has diverged away from the graphic novels (not that i thought the show could ever go down that road)

however ... theres a lot more options (ie new Woodbury transplants) for mass termination for the start of next season without having close to all the main characters bite it


/did i miss them revealing who Tyrese was in pre-zombie world ??? He revealed it in Talking Dead but I didnt think they broached it on one of the previous episodes

only on talking dead.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Yeah, I was glad to see her go. I just wish it had been more of a statement death. Her death alone wasn't that meaningful because I don't think she was an important character, or a likeable one. She realized the governor was batshit, tried to go to the prison, got caught, and died. There was no meaning to her death. From a writing standpoint, I think they failed to deliver.

For the prison assault, I just wanted to see a cleverer trap. Up to the flashbangs, I thought it was great. Their army panicking and running for it, fantastic. But then they just have Maggie and Glen shooting? They barely hit someone. If one of the badguys still had the grenade launcher or one of those big mounted machine guns, they'd be toast.

I'd rather see something like this: they trap the troops, and unleash a wave of zombies against them. But then Rick sees the devastation and can't take it. He opens the trap to let them survive, but in the process let's the governor escape. It would have accomplshed two major things: 1) Showed Rick had fully regained his humanity. They've been building towards that for a while, so I would have gone all out. 2) Set up conflict with his son. Maybe the Gov terrorizes them next season. Maybe they can't feed all the new people, and maybe some of them cause trouble, getting one of the original team-Rickers killed. Would have made for great drama.

It was a great season, I just didn't feel this episode was all it could be.

you dont think they did that last night ? wasnt overt but its brewing

 

[jstewismybastardson]

only on talking dead.

cool i thought i missed something

who do you think will be the character to do the "I swear i recognize you ... hey ... arent you ... " to Tyrese

 

[puckhead]

some interesting stuff on the finale.

?The Walking Dead? Season 4 - The Governor Returns - TVLine

 

[Dacks]

you dont think they did that last night ? wasnt overt but its brewing

Oh for sure. I just think this would have added.

 

[mattola]

you dont think they did that last night ? wasnt overt but its brewing

it was huge to me. carl is flipping to full cold while rick has come back to humanity. Carl and Rick only really got along when both were on the edge of the knife this season. bringing the rest of woodbury back totally changed that.

I would love to see the governor go back to woodbury and see noone is left in the town.