OT- Stonewall Jackson

[BadMotoWeazal]

There will be a lot of speculation when we talk about good guys and bad guys during the civil war, as none of us were there and I'm sure different regions of this great nation will have some contrasting views on it. Generall, southern officers were revered by their soldiers and the population. Grant & Sherman on the other hand were not as "loved" as say Lee, Jackson, Stuart or Longstreet. Lee was so respected that Grant gave him everything he wanted at the time of Lee's surrender including the right for Lee's men to keep their guns.
During the era that the civil war took place we have to remember that war was viewed as a chivalrous act. Gentlemen waged wars and the common folk would get wrapped up in the thoughts of fighting for Virginia or Georgia or Alabama for that matter. I'm happy the north won, slavery is/was wrong & that is all ancient history for me. But I still love the boys & men who wore the grey, and did their duty for God & Country.


.....and for the record Rommel was one heck of a commander during WWII in Afrika.

 

[GreenNickle]

Stonewall Jackson fought for the Army of Northern Virginia, he was a complete and total bad ass and deserves respect.

I named my first car (85 Chevy Blazer) "Sorrel" in honor of his horse.

Slam your dick in a burning hot steel door if you even think of saying anything remotely degrading about Stonewall Jackson.

 

[rfjeff9]

Not only that, but Rommel was SO popular with the army and the German people that Adolph was jealous enough of him to deny support and supplies to him in certain cases. Adolphs biggest obstacle to his war was that he thought he was a military genius. He was a Derp as far as tactical planning goes.

I did a term paper in college on Jackson for a Civil War history class. Now THAT was a class I would gladly take again. What Jackson did with his foot cavalry in the Shennendoah Valley is incredible. So much so that West Point still teaches his tactics today as en exemplary example of the advantages of terrain knowledge and speed in battle.

Jackson was very eccentric in some regards. During battle, he would go about with one arm raised in the air because he thought that it would send more blood to his brain and he could think and react more quickly and better. But his troops that would see him do this thought he was being given divine instructions from God because he would always win or turn a tide.

And he would often be found sucking lemons. To this day, nobody is really sure where the heck he got his lemons.

As for Gettysburg, it is thought that Jackson would have.been able to help Lees leiutenants dissuade him from Picketts charge in the least. At the most, he is deemed to have had the ability to affect the battle in general in the south's favor had he been there.

 

[Comeds]

I named my first car (85 Chevy Blazer) "Sorrel" in honor of his horse.

It posts like this that keep me coming here. I named my first car "Enos" after the deputy on "the Dukes".

 

[DevilishWon]

It posts like this that keep me coming here. I named my first car "Enos" after the deputy on "the Dukes".

and he's not kidding....

 

[evolver115]

As for Gettysburg, it is thought that Jackson would have.been able to help Lees leiutenants dissuade him from Picketts charge in the least. At the most, he is deemed to have had the ability to affect the battle in general in the south's favor had he been there.

The discussion I had always heard about Jackson and if he had been present at Gettysburg was centered around a decision that was made late in the first day of the battle.

Jacksons' Corp arrived late on the first day of the battle. If he had been present at the time, perhaps Jackson would have seen the obvious advantage of the high-ground that the Union only then held very lightly.

Many of Jackson's men would charge, and later die, trying to take the position known as Culps Hill. On the first day of the fighting, Confederate General Ewell was in tactical command, and he hesitated to push the Union off Culps hill and Cemetery ridge. This decision would later cost the Confederates dearly, as the next day (2nd day) of fighting would center on the attack of those two positions. Both attacks would fail, as so often is the case when an army attempts to attack a fortified position on high ground.

Perhaps Jackson would have recognized the strategic importance of the high ground at the beginning of the battle of Gettysburg, and thus denied the Union the advantage of a superior position.

 

[apachef4]

The discussion I had always heard about Jackson and if he had been present at Gettysburg was centered around a decision that was made late in the first day of the battle.

Jacksons' Corp arrived late on the first day of the battle. If he had been present at the time, perhaps Jackson would have seen the obvious advantage of the high-ground that the Union only then held very lightly.

Many of Jackson's men would charge, and later die, trying to take the position known as Culps Hill. On the first day of the fighting, Confederate General Ewell was in tactical command, and he hesitated to push the Union off Culps hill and Cemetery ridge. This decision would later cost the Confederates dearly, as the next day (2nd day) of fighting would center on the attack of those two positions. Both attacks would fail, as so often is the case when an army attempts to attack a fortified position on high ground.

Perhaps Jackson would have recognized the strategic importance of the high ground at the beginning of the battle of Gettysburg, and thus denied the Union the advantage of a superior position.

Yep. If I remember correctly, Ewell received a message from Lee saying something to the effect of "attack when prudent". I'm probably off on the exact message, but that was the jist of it. Jackson would have taken that to mean "attack as soon as possible", while Ewell took it too literally. It was often said that Jackson could read between the lines and would do what Lee wanted moreso than what he actually said. They were simpatico like that.

 

[pixburgher66]

Not only that, but Rommel was SO popular with the army and the German people that Adolph was jealous enough of him to deny support and supplies to him in certain cases. Adolphs biggest obstacle to his war was that he thought he was a military genius. He was a Derp as far as tactical planning goes.

THIS man. Hitler was his own worst enemy (thank God). Of course, most men in power are, no? I love at the end of Downfall (really is a solid film guys) the oft used Hitler freakout. "Well, just send so and so there, come on." "No, sir, they're gone. They CAN'T GET HERE." "What do you mean?"

He was so overconfident in himself, and thus lost. Pride kills.