OT: Oh Boy This Is Not Good

[BOSSMANPC]

i dont know if this is accurate but if so.. oh man

John Lundin ‏@johnlundin
A Jewish idiot makes a film, a Christian idiot promotes it, Muslim idiots kill over it, and Republican idiots condemn Obama.

Don't forget to mention the Pres asked Youtube to check and see if it violated their terms. Excuse me, freedom of speech is in question now? So it's safe to throw him under the bus as well. Talk about pandering....Wow! He should have never even made that request. At least Youtube said it didn't and they would not pull the video.

That would have opened pandoras box big time.

 

[pixburgher66]

Anti-Islam Filmmaker Could Be Headed Back to Jail - National - The Atlantic Wire

This is a really, really, really weird story. Just screwed up.

 

[Comeds]

Don't forget to mention the Pres asked Youtube to check and see if it violated their terms. Excuse me, freedom of speech is in question now? So it's safe to throw him under the bus as well. Talk about pandering....Wow! He should have never even made that request. At least Youtube said it didn't and they would not pull the video.

That would have opened pandoras box big time.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the president asking if the video violated the terms. I certainly do not think in doing so he deserves to be thrown under the bus. I do not think it does violate any TOS but I understand the request, especially because it might save lives.

I also do not think asking YouTube about their terms of service is going against freedom of speech. There are plenty of things you cannot put on YouTube. There are also numerous countries that YouTube is blocking the video from being shown in.

 

[Eddie_Shack]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the president asking if the video violated the terms. I certainly do not think in doing so he deserves to be thrown under the bus. I do not think it does violate any TOS but I understand the request, especially because it might save lives.

I also do not think asking YouTube about their terms of service is going against freedom of speech. There are plenty of things you cannot put on YouTube. There are also numerous countries that YouTube is blocking the video from being shown in.

Especially when the lives of Americans overseas could be at stake.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the president asking if the video violated the terms. I certainly do not think in doing so he deserves to be thrown under the bus. I do not think it does violate any TOS but I understand the request, especially because it might save lives.

I also do not think asking YouTube about their terms of service is going against freedom of speech. There are plenty of things you cannot put on YouTube. There are also numerous countries that YouTube is blocking the video from being shown in.

I think you misunderstood my point. I know that asking YouTube about their terms of service is not going against freedom of speech. My freedom of speech is the content of the video itself. They have an opinion in the vid and are entitled to it. I watched the video and the only thing they are guilty of is terrible acting. And the video is blocked in a lot of countries because they find it offensive and SOME use it as an excuse to riot. Funny part is in todays world they will get access to it anyway.

My point is if they were to take it down here that starts a very bad trend where a group of people for any reason could or would start rioting because someone posted something they didn't like and after all rioting worked for the Muslims right? so why don't we do it? To me it is very obvious it doesn't violate any of their TOS.

Im a bit hazy right now (because of some of my meds) so I hope this makes sense.

 

[Comeds]

I think you misunderstood my point. I know that asking YouTube about their terms of service is not going against freedom of speech. My freedom of speech is the content of the video itself. They have an opinion in the vid and are entitled to it. I watched the video and the only thing they are guilty of is terrible acting. And the video is blocked in a lot of countries because they find it offensive and SOME use it as an excuse to riot. Funny part is in todays world they will get access to it anyway.

My point is if they were to take it down here that starts a very bad trend where a group of people for any reason could or would start rioting because someone posted something they didn't like and after all rioting worked for the Muslims right? so why don't we do it? To me it is very obvious it doesn't violate any of their TOS.

Im a bit hazy right now (because of some of my meds) so I hope this makes sense.

You do make sense. I agree that it doesn't violate the TOS but I find no fault at all with them being asked about it because it may save lives. I certainly will not fault the president for that request and have trouble seeing how anyone would.

I'd worry about the filmmakers freedom of speech if he hosted the video himself and people tried to have it removed. That didn't happen, all that happened was a question about the TOS of YouTube. I hardly think that is a threat to freedom of speech to anyone. A person doesn't have a constitutional right to have their video on YouTube.

This is nothing new, and I do not think a trend has been started. There have been a number of instances the last decade or so when someone wanted portray Muhammad in film or cartoon and they have been stopped or asked to stop. (South Park was one) In a perfect world should someone be able to do that without any reprisals or trouble? Absolutely. In this world right now that wont happen. I understand the argument supporting their right to voice their views and opinions but we are not the ones who are likely to put in danger by the posting of this film so its easier for us to view this in clear black and white.

There are plenty of things to blame Obama for, I actually respect the request from him and think it was the right thing to do. Now if he would have made some kind of demand that it be removed I wouldn't be happy but thats not what happened.

Thats enough serious stuff for me, I need to make a Parkinsons hand job joke.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

This kind of reminds me of the riots in Vancouver. A group of scumbags are using a particular event (hockey game/stupid video) as a way to get the masses riled up and essentially do their bidding for them. This whole situation is unbelievably idiotic and frustrating.

 

[SLY]

Religion of peace.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

The idea of having a media source self-censor is an argument that has been made on hundreds of occasions in the past and will continue to be made forever.

Media ethics classes (at least when I was still in college, which has been a while now) always devoted a rather lengthy section to debating the idea of whether the press should publish because they can publish, consequences ben damned or whether they have the responsibility to self-censor when publishing could put lives, careers, etc. at stake.

The reason that there's so much debate on this is because there are many instances of situations where a free press has chosen to self-censor because the effect of publishing information could prove to be too harmful to the common good or could be harmful to innocent persons affected by the reporting.

As Voltaire (or Stan Lee/Uncle Ben) would say: "With great power comes great responsibility."

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Interestingly enough is the fact that the guy who created the video may have violated the terms of his probation in doing so.

Prior computer crime conviction which legally stipulates he shouldn't have been using a computer during this time period, which is why he got himself a visit from US Marshals.

You're on probation for computer crimes, legally barred from using a computer, and you're uploading YouTube vidoes? What a dumbass.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Pakistan Protests: Anti-Islam Film Sparks Mass Demonstrations Across The Country

We really need to start working on/taking advantage of alternative sources of energy so that just have nothing to do with this awful area of the world. They don't like us, there is nothing there we need other than oil, as long as we are there, there will be problems. Start building more windmills, perfect the electric car, start working on making solar panels more affordable. God forbid we help the environment and stop senseless killing. Greedy oil jerks.

 

[Darkstone42]

Pakistan Protests: Anti-Islam Film Sparks Mass Demonstrations Across The Country

We really need to start working on/taking advantage of alternative sources of energy so that just have nothing to do with this awful area of the world. They don't like us, there is nothing there we need other than oil, as long as we are there, there will be problems. Start building more windmills, perfect the electric car, start working on making solar panels more affordable. God forbid we help the environment and stop senseless killing. Greedy oil jerks.

There are several groups at the University of Arizona alone working on solar cell efficiency, but it's proving to be awfully tricky. The complexity of the systems makes it very difficult to isolate physical and chemical features which contribute to or detract from efficiency.

 

[forty_three]

You do make sense. I agree that it doesn't violate the TOS but I find no fault at all with them being asked about it because it may save lives. I certainly will not fault the president for that request and have trouble seeing how anyone would.

It's almost as if extremists with a skewed view have already made up their minds what is wrong with the world, and will jump on ANYTHING, no matter how retarded, that fits the view they have already deemed to be the truth and launch into really, really stupid over-reactions.

 

[Vadered]

Don't forget to mention the Pres asked Youtube to check and see if it violated their terms. Excuse me, freedom of speech is in question now? So it's safe to throw him under the bus as well. Talk about pandering....Wow! He should have never even made that request. At least Youtube said it didn't and they would not pull the video.

That would have opened pandoras box big time.

I know we've already addressed whether or not Obama asking them to examine the TOS is kosher or not, but I'd like to point out something else. Youtube is a private corporation, not a government run program. They don't have to have a reason to host or not host something. The protection of freedom of speech as enumerated in the First Amendment only protects citizens from government interference, not any other kind.

Case in point: Go to your boss. Tell him or her to go fuck himself or herself. See if your speech is protected when he or she fires you. Hint: it isn't.

Now if Obama had ORDERED YouTube to pull the video, that would have been unconstitutional, though I'm pretty sure you could make a convincing case that they should pull it even so. It would have been an interesting legal battle, to be sure. Which is more important: free speech or the security of our embassies?

Lost in all of this, of course, is this: an idiot makes a stupid film and doesn't even care that a ton of people find it ridiculously offensive (to the point of death threats about a SIMPLE CARTOON), and decides to post it online. He has his right to free speech, true, but I sure as hell wish he'd exercised his right to good judgement instead.

 

[Vadered]

The idea of having a media source self-censor is an argument that has been made on hundreds of occasions in the past and will continue to be made forever.

Media ethics classes (at least when I was still in college, which has been a while now) always devoted a rather lengthy section to debating the idea of whether the press should publish because they can publish, consequences ben damned or whether they have the responsibility to self-censor when publishing could put lives, careers, etc. at stake.

The reason that there's so much debate on this is because there are many instances of situations where a free press has chosen to self-censor because the effect of publishing information could prove to be too harmful to the common good or could be harmful to innocent persons affected by the reporting.

As Voltaire (or Stan Lee/Uncle Ben) would say: "With great power comes great responsibility."

I feel that self-censorship is absolutely a good idea, so long as it truly is SELF-censorship. If publishing something could reasonably get somebody innocent hurt or killed, then I feel you'd better look long and hard at what the benefit is to publishing it before you put it out there. It's not the law, but it IS having a soul.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

I feel that self-censorship is absolutely a good idea, so long as it truly is SELF-censorship. If publishing something could reasonably get somebody innocent hurt or killed, then I feel you'd better look long and hard at what the benefit is to publishing it before you put it out there. It's not the law, but it IS having a soul.

The debate gets murky though when publishing might cost a few people their lives, but could save a lot more. Hard decisions then.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

I say time to pull the ambassadors and troops out until these countries can get their herd of maniacs under control.

FTFY

 

[Vadered]

The debate gets murky though when publishing might cost a few people their lives, but could save a lot more. Hard decisions then.

Like I said, you have to evaluate it. What I never said was that it would always be easy.

 

[Wingingit]

Pakistan Protests: Anti-Islam Film Sparks Mass Demonstrations Across The Country

We really need to start working on/taking advantage of alternative sources of energy so that just have nothing to do with this awful area of the world. They don't like us, there is nothing there we need other than oil, as long as we are there, there will be problems. Start building more windmills, perfect the electric car, start working on making solar panels more affordable. God forbid we help the environment and stop senseless killing. Greedy oil jerks.

While the ideas sounds good on paper it's not as simple as you make it out to be. First windwills, don't recover the energy it took to create them for the first 12 years of use, this doesn't take into account the maintenance, which some estimate add another 3 years to the value return, that's still TBD.

Electric automobiles are (and will be well into the future) using fossil fuels at the electric plant to put the energy back into the battery, it is just another change in energy state. In actual numbers your coming out pretty close to using more fossel materials than saving any. Only difference is we will burn through our own countries coal reserves faster; last estimates I seen were 450 years at current production rates.

Solar panels still take more energy to make than they recover in thier lifespan (but it is getting better), if you take into account (which rarely is published) that anyone living north of the 50 parallel has less the 45% full time sun annually.

And just leaving the region is a strategic mistake, best to figure out how to get along, until we suck the oil wells dry....

renewable energy has some promise, but along way to go.

 

[kenyg54]

How about this.
How about we pack up and come home.
How about we tell them were not giving them another dime.
How about we tell them to go screw themselves.
How about we leave them to live their Stone Age lives with their savage culture and their fanatic religion.
We've been bankrolling and defending any number of Muslim nations over the last decade and where has it gotten us? Our ambassador is dead, our embassies are under attack and our allies are shooting us down.
Its time to take the hint.
Its time to give them the finger.
We've spent years trying to win their hearts and minds. Its about time we realized they have neither.
It's about time we realized its every man for himself, and America has got to take care of itself.
If they ever crawl out of the Dark Ages, maybe we can re-engage. Until then, to hell with them.
We have in recent days seen protests across scores of nations, people assailing our embassies and burning our flag. Shouting their support for a dead terrorist and waving aloft his flag. Nations we liberated and fund repay us with hatred and condemnation. Soldiers and police whom we have clothed, paid, trained and armed turn their guns upon us in acts of contempt and cowardice.
We have given them our blood and our treasure and they have given us the back of their hand.
And its time to cut them loose.
If the Russians or Chinese want to make allies of them, let them try. If we fear Iranian or Islamic expansion, what has anything weve yet done done to slow them? Its all a perfect mess and its time to scrape it off the sole of our boots.
Seriously.
This isn't invective and frustration. This is a policy proposal.
More likely, this is the will of the American people.
Cut the aid, pull the troops, stop the gravy train. Leave the sandbox to the cats.
No more foreign aid for any of them, pull our embassies out of half of them, wave good bye to most of them. We dont need Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Egypt or any of them. They are a noose around our neck and they want nothing more than to dance on our graves.
It is clear they dont like us, and are never going to like us. It is clear our foreign policy elicits their contempt, not their respect. Lets buy oil from the ones we have to buy oil from and ignore the rest. We dont need them. They serve absolutely no useful purpose.
So kiss them good bye.
Lets keep our homeland defenses strong, work even harder on intelligence, and do our best to keep them and their suicide vests on their own side of the ocean.
We tried. It didnt work. Lets write them off.